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[Cypher0020]

if you have time... my Shep will tell EDI to shut down... and tell the rest of the crew to go into hiding asap... less people she drags down with her the better... y'know since they're ceberus, convicted criminals, hired killers.... etc....

after my arrest....and escape I'll find em all again

[DarthSliver]

I dont think EDI can be taken out with the short time they have to look at the SR-2. Like i said that could very well leave the ship nonoperational. Sounds like the Alliance is just adding crap and changing some of the rooms to better fit a Alliance vessel

[Shadowrun1177]

DarthSliver wrote...

I dont think EDI can be taken out with the short time they have to look at the SR-2. Like i said that could very well leave the ship nonoperational. Sounds like the Alliance is just adding crap and changing some of the rooms to better fit a Alliance vessel

Well it seems like they have the Normandy for awhile though before the Reapers attack cause of what the article in GI says. They say "....It's still the Normandy, but it's different again and it's got some different parts and rooms to explore." They also say that the Alliance has reclaimed the ship and is being taken apart, studied, and rebuilt before that. So it sounds like whatever changes the Alliance makes have already been done by the time you get it back as Shepard.

[PMC65]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

I dont think EDI can be taken out with the short time they have to look at the SR-2. Like i said that could very well leave the ship nonoperational. Sounds like the Alliance is just adding crap and changing some of the rooms to better fit a Alliance vessel

Well it seems like they have the Normandy for awhile though before the Reapers attack cause of what the article in GI says. They say "....It's still the Normandy, but it's different again and it's got some different parts and rooms to explore." They also say that the Alliance has reclaimed the ship and is being taken apart, studied, and rebuilt before that. So it sounds like whatever changes the Alliance makes have already been done by the time you get it back as Shepard.

Crap! Shepard's fish better still be there swimming happily around ... She slept with Kelly just to make sure they didn't die!

[oldag07]

Tricia Helfer is coming back as EDI, but we don't know if she will be attached to the Normandy or somewhere else. I am not sure what the council would allow the alliance to have an AI attached to the ship.  I am pretty sure this wont happen, but it might be pretty cool. Maybe EDI could be inside a Geth "platform".  Then we can fight along side her. . . .

Modifié par oldag07, 27 avril 2011 - 01:56 .

[jmood88]

PMC65 wrote...

"What AI?"

I have a feeling that EDI is smarter than your average bear and considering any military organization (real or fictional) getting their hands on her, well they would not handle her properly. So, I would think that she goes silent until it is time for Shepard to take back control. Who would be dumb enough to say "Alliance meet EDI, EDI meet Alliance?" Okay, maybe Kelly, but she isn't Alliance. But that doesn't matter because Samara is taking her out the back way to avoid her babbling anything. 

So, once again I ask ...  "What AI?"

That's what I was thinking too. She knows how the rest of the galaxy feels about AI's so I'm sure that the moment people she is unfamiliar with come on the ship, she'll keep quiet.

[Pwener2313]

The only way to change an AI is to move it from one location to another by deactivation, and since she *is* the Normady, she will remain the same.

[Someone With Mass]

If EDI is hardwired into the ship, I think it's better to just let her be there.

[Pwener2313]

Also, she is no longer in the AI core, but on the entire ship. I think the ship itself is tbe new "blue box" so it is virtually impossible to effect her.

[marshalleck]

No, EDI still resides in her blue box. She's not a disembodied consciousness floating around the ship's systems. Screw with her blue box and you're screwing with her brain. Reconfigure her blue box, and "she" will end up with a whole new identity, since the quantum computer inside the blue box is what is responsible for an AI's personality.

[Cypher0020]

Oh and who says I want my ship retooled anyways? Cept for the Cerberus stuff.... it was fine the way it is....

it had bathrooms, bunks, a mess hall AND a bar!

[Pwener2313]

I think she isn't in the blue box anymore. This is never explained but she isn't in the AI core anymore (I think). But nobody here is an expert in AIs (no your not!) so we'll never know if BW doesn't make up something.

[marshalleck]

Pwener2313 wrote...

I think she isn't in the blue box anymore. This is never explained but she isn't in the AI core anymore (I think). But nobody here is an expert in AIs (no your not!) so we'll never know if BW doesn't make up something.

Actually, I am an expert. And you're wrong. I suggest you read your codex, because I don't want to go googling for old developer posts. EDI hasn't left her blue box, that's impossible. 

Nevermind, I googled it anyway. Here's why you're wrong. Chris L'etoile was a writer on ME1 and did the writing in ME2 for Legion, and based on this post probably EDI as well. He also wrote most of the codex in ME1 if I remember correctly. This guy is the "background details" guy when it comes to ME...well, he was before he left to work for ZeniMax Media (the company which owns Bethesda)

To add a few facts to the discussion (if anything related to a fictional universe can be considered "fact"):

In the ME milieu, the general consensus is that truly sapient programs can only be achieved by a mix of hardware (a quantum computer, the "brain") and software (programs, the "consciousness"). All Alliance/Council AIs are of the "top-down" model. They are discrete computer systems deliberately and specifically designed by organic scientists to achieve consciousness.

Further, they have to be "raised" to sapience. You can't simply turn on a switch and say, "Hello, HAL, make me a sandwich." Like a child, they must learn to use their bodies and be taught how to think.

There's a ramp-up time, too. The computers that run these programs work millions of times faster than organic thought. If you simply turned an AI bluebox on at full capacity, the nascent mind inside it would at best fail to achieve consciousness. At worst it would be insane from lack of input. (As a crude analogy, imagine a human infant whose parents move so slowly, they can only touch them or speak a word once an hour. From the infant's perspective, there's no one there to talk to, to grab the finger of, to feed or reassure them.) A young AI is actually started a clock speed below that of an organic, and slowly ramped up.

What does all this have to do with geth?

They're something different - a "bottom-up" model of AI. That is, their sapience developed from non-sapient hardware/code, with no known assistance by organic teachers. They weren't designed to become conscious, but they did.

Modifié par marshalleck, 27 avril 2011 - 03:07 .

[Pwener2313]

You read a made up codex entry and your an expert? Wow.....

[marshalleck]

See edit. You're excused.

And don't be retarded. Of course I am talking about AI within the context of the game. I'm not trying to apply some real-world logic to something completely fictional. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 27 avril 2011 - 03:09 .

[Pwener2313]

some people take the internet too seriously.......

[The Spamming Troll]

JRCHOharry wrote...

She'll be dumbed down and streamlined. Obviously.

im glad im not the only one who makes comments like this!

[marshalleck]

Pwener2313 wrote...

some people take the internet too seriously.......

If you're going to play the speculation game, come prepared next time. 

[Pwener2313]

[quote]marshalleck wrote...

some people take the internet too seriously.......[/quote] If you're going to play the speculation game, come prepared next time. 
[/quote]

Sure buddy, wathever you say.

*eye roll*

[Tilarta]

I doubt EDI has the capacity to indoctrinate anyone.
She is part Reaper, but it's all data files, she doesn't have the "necessary hardware" to broadcast a Reaper Indoctrination signal.

And even though she is extended throughout the entirely of the ship, her "brain" is still in that room behind the medbay.
Although I'm betting she'll resist very hard if someone attempts to tamper with the equipment in there.
And another thing, that is also Legion's living quarters, he's not going to be too happy about AI prejudice either......

Alliance Tech: Right, let's get this blasted AI out of here.
Legion: That course of action would be unwise.
*bang crash crack*
Door opens and Legion starts carrying injured Alliance Techs out.
Legion: Doctor Chakwas, these organic units need medical maintenaince.
Chakwas: Oh my, Legion, what did you do to them!?!
Legion: This platform attempted to use decreased force, but Alliance Techs are fragile organisms.

I don't think they can completely dismantle the Normandy SR2, otherwise it'd be too badly damaged.
It could be upgraded though, as long as they don't interfere with the structural integrity of the hull and systems.

Not sure how much "better" they can make it though, it was pretty badass already.

And Shepherd will be using the Normandy SR2 in ME3, judging from the screenshot of the remodelled control room in the magazine.

Also, a major point is that EDI is not a slave to her programming, if she wishes, she can and will defy it.
Especially now she's unlocked and has free reign.
Which means that she's not sending TIM any messages besides a formal resignation.

Modifié par Tilarta, 27 avril 2011 - 03:06 .

[Clonedzero]

it'd be lovely if they think they locked her down again and then shepard comes back on board and she's like "awesome, ok, just letting you know im not shackled i just let them think i was"

[Zall]

Pwener2313 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

some people take the internet too seriously.......

If you're going to play the speculation game, come prepared next time. 

Sure buddy, wathever you say.

*eye roll*

Dude, what are you even here for? If you post an prediction of the plot events, be prepared that some people may disagree and support their own theory with facts about the ME universe.

I think it may be possible to remove EDI from the ship. She must have been developed at a different place and only after she was considered safe, imported to the ship. Despite the fact, that she had gained full control of the ship and so to say received a "body", her "mind" can go to any other vessel.

Keep in mind, her bond to Normandy is mostly a sentimental one. The crew needs her and she seems to enjoy helping them. For safety reasons, it may be better to move her to a different place and after the trial is over let her go back to her duties.

Modifié par Zall, 27 avril 2011 - 08:47 .

[rflavin]

It won't happen but it would make me chuckle if Joker paid some disreputables to move his "computer equipment" to his house. Then they lived together as the new "Odd Couple" until Shep comes to get them.

Of course I would watch a new Odd couple show starring EDI and Joker.. Is that wrong?

[Jonathan Shepard]

This will probably play part in the trial.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Cypher0020 wrote...

Oh and who says I want my ship retooled anyways? Cept for the Cerberus stuff.... it was fine the way it is....

it had bathrooms, bunks, a mess hall AND a bar!

Wouldn't surprise me if they took out all those luxuries you mentioned AND Joker's precious leather seats...

LEATHER!