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[Shimmer_Gloom]

TS2Aggie wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

Again, you're talking about changing marketing when that's not what we're suggesting. We're talking about an addition to the cover art or a second trailer. An added feature, not a replacement. 

And you're not grasping the fact that a). making trailers costs a lot of time and money, and . people in general are complete morons. I absolutely guarantee you that if they added a 'supplemental' trailer or promotional material that featured fem Shep, a large portion of people would get confused and they'd be more likely to lose customers than gain them. It's not Bioware I blame for this attitude, it's the general public. Anyone who's worked in retail can tell you just how stupid people can be.

I can't speak for others, but I certainly get that what you are describing is almost certainly going to happen if even a hint of Fem!shep is seen in the marketing.  But if it is done well there is no reason to believe that it will be significant.  If Sheploo apears, then Fem!shep and it is done in a clear and concise way the worst that could happen is that people think Fem!shep is another character altogether.  I don't think the confusion you are discribing is going to be significant if done right.

[MGIII]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Really? And did you form your conclusion by talking to dozens and dozens of female gamers? Or by guessing?

By being logical, if you must know. Since we were discussing a potential buyer of ME based on it being an RPG with gender options, I compared your explanation of "it's fantasy so it probably has strong female roles/gender options" with "all Bioware RPGs have gender options."

Regardless of all that, the type of gameplay in ME is very different compared to fantasy-themed games: ME is very much a shooter. You acknowledged that yourself. That's probably why more girls like JRPGs relative to ME. And not because of some half-baked dudebro stereotype allegedly induced by the marketing. Which was not dudebro at all (unless being male = automatically dudebro, then whatever. Can't argue with that biased rationale).

I tried to find a similar trajectory in our arguments and perceptions, and drew a conclusion.

Modifié par MGIII, 27 avril 2011 - 08:54 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

MGIII wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Really? And did you form your conclusion by talking to dozens and dozens of female gamers? Or by guessing?

By being logical, if you must know. Since we were discussing a potential buyer of ME based on it being an RPG with gender options, I compared your explanation of "it's fantasy so it probably has strong female roles/gender options" with "all Bioware RPGs have gender options."

Regardless of all that, the type of gameplay in ME is very different compared to fantasy-themed games: ME is very much a shooter. You acknowledged that yourself. That's probably why more girls like JRPGs relative to ME.

The thing is, I have a lot of evidence to support my claims. You have absolutely none. Sure, my evidence is just a few dozen anecdotal claims, but you're just basing your conclusions on no experience or evidence whatsoever.

Yes, Mass Effect is partially a shooter. So is Portal. That doesn't stop girls from playing portal. I also know a lot of girls who play Metroid. I'd say about half the girls I know who play JRPGs have played one of the Metroid shooters... unless those don't count for some strange reason?

Mass Effect is the best game I've ever played. Based on the cover, I would have had no idea it would be something I liked. I think a slightly different cover, or a reversable cover, might help people like me discover Mass Effect. And I think it's possible to design said cover in such a way that it would still feature Sheploo and not confuse anyone.

We've offered dozens of ways this could be done, from a back cover shot of FemShep (which they did have for ME1), to having Manshep on the cover, and a suited Femshep in the background, or in the corner. Or you could have a reversible cover, and let each game store choose whether or not to display the alternate cover. 

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 27 avril 2011 - 10:46 .

[SockpicK]

how about, a femshep version for a poster. . not the cover of the game, still optional and cheaper to produce

[chelseaisthepan]

We all know FemShep exists. Sheploo has been on the cover for the other games.. why change it now? Does it really matter that much?

I don't really stare at the cover for longer than a minute.. and that's just because I'm opening the case.

[xxcloud99xx]

 i know this thread is 4 months old and all but, femshep cover revealed:

http://uk.gamespot.c...g=topslot;img;1