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[Saphara]

FireEye wrote...

Saphara wrote...

Cant tell if you were agreeing or trying to disproove my argument but...

I dont ignore a game's story or basic combat and stuff either. What happens is it grabs my attention, i then look it up / ask questions, then buy it.  There are others that had female protagonists that i ended up not liking and glad i avoided rash buying (The 3rd Birthday anyone? FF13 ripoff...)

Agreeing.  I've got plenty of games on my shelf to play (or replay), and there are plenty of new games out there (or old games that I've missed) to sift through for a good game experience.  The Divinity II case appears to be a guy with a dragon... were I in the store, I'd probably pass it by without looking at the back because I have plenty of high fantasy RPG games with dragons and guys and things.  That is, I like high fantasy, but I've already got a lot of choose from, with and without moldable protagonists, with and without dragons.

Although researching before you buy is always important, it's that first grab that's going to get people's attention that'll make them research.

Oh yes. It's such a fun if slightly frustrating game. High Fantasy + playing a woman + turing into a dragon is pretty much the kiss of instant sell for me. Should give it a try! I also like arguing with the voice in my head

[MidnightRaith]

shinobi602 wrote...

MidnightRaith wrote...

Exactly. I've already played a ton of games with a man in the postion of the coveted badass character. It's predictable and I didn't feel like forking out money for ME at first. Then I hear that there is the option to play as a female character that is just as badass? I can hardly ignore that, especially when I heard that FemShep is awesome and voiced by Jennifer Hale. I was completely sold after that.

That's too bad. Mass Effect is amazing regardless of gender =/

It's scary to think some female gamers would pass and miss out on an incredible game because of the protagonist being a male, and vice versa with male gamers with female protagonist.

Ah, I have to disagree there. I really can't stand Mark Meer. He has as much feeling in his voice as a brick. Many people have told me that aspect is a part of his character/charm or whatever but I can't get past it.

But yes, there are people like this. I'm one of them at times. Now, I can and do play many male dominated games, however, like I said, I've played many of these before. It's old and predictable for me. The female gaming population is severly under-represented. I'm not saying that Bioware has been crappy in representing us. Actually they've been pretty great in hiring a good voice actress for FemShep.

However, in the marketing sense, it's like FemShep doesn't exist. I know many female gamers that wouldn't take even a look at ME because it has that stereotypical male lead. A reversible cover with FemShep gives her marketing time and lets female gamers know that ManShep isn't their only option.

[ReinaHW]

The tricky thing with research is that a lot of time the female option is always left out, in case it makes manly males break into a cold sweat at the thought of a female lead in a game and affects sales.

I had to contact Obsidian and Bethesda in order to find out if the gender choice was being kept in for New Vegas and Skyrim since they didn't show any pictures nor provide any information on gender choice, all they showed was the usual generio male.
It would save asking the question if the simple 'The game will allow for choice of gender for the main character' was at least added to the general information and to the cover.

[shinobi602]

ReinaHW wrote...

The tricky thing with research is that a lot of time the female option is always left out, in case it makes manly males break into a cold sweat at the thought of a female lead in a game and affects sales.

That's a little naive to say. I think the main reason many men don't play as females is because they can't really...relate to them as a character? It's different to put themselves in that female protagonist's shoes? I mean it's like that with me, not because I break into a "cold sweat" by seeing a female lead in a video game.....

Just like many female gamers say the same with male protagonists, isn't that the case?

Or is there some other underlying issue?

[Saphara]

shinobi602 wrote...

ReinaHW wrote...

The tricky thing with research is that a lot of time the female option is always left out, in case it makes manly males break into a cold sweat at the thought of a female lead in a game and affects sales.

That's a little naive to say. I think the main reason many men don't play as females is because they can't really...relate to them as a character? It's different to put themselves in that female protagonist's shoes? I mean it's like that with me, not because I break into a "cold sweat" by seeing a female lead in a video game.....

Just like many female gamers say the same with male protagonists, isn't that the case?

Or is there some other underlying issue?

Actually, if playing a male is the only option, then it's fine. I can totaly get into the role. Give me the option of being a woman thought and I'll take it every time. I think women have less of an issue because we've gotten used to playing men so long we're kinda numb to it.

Example: I dont mind playing a man in the Witcher (although i wish i could be a woman), but i hate it for other reasons such as clicky combat and awful camera movement.

[ReinaHW]

Yet why should a female player be forced to play as male if they have the choice of a female lead? I can't relate to a male lead, for example, so why should I play as them? Only ruins any chance of fun and immersion for me.

Sick of male leads, tired of the tired old cliche of the steretoypical 'super man' hero. Dull, tiresome, done to death, offers nothing new and doesn't tempt to seperate with the money.
Almost didn't go for Mass Effect 1 when all I saw was bland male Shepard, if it hadn't been for learning that there was the option to have a female Shepard to play as I would have never gone for it.

A little information, a picture on the cover, something to say that the player can choose isn't much to ask. The generic male Shepard would still be shown, but at least with a little information that the player can choose would tempt people new to Bioware games, new to Mass Effect and so on would prevent the game being passed over by those who only see the stereotypical male.

[MidnightRaith]

shinobi602 wrote...

ReinaHW wrote...

The tricky thing with research is that a lot of time the female option is always left out, in case it makes manly males break into a cold sweat at the thought of a female lead in a game and affects sales.

That's a little naive to say. I think the main reason many men don't play as females is because they can't really...relate to them as a character? It's different to put themselves in that female protagonist's shoes? I mean it's like that with me, not because I break into a "cold sweat" by seeing a female lead in a video game.....

Just like many female gamers say the same with male protagonists, isn't that the case?

Or is there some other underlying issue?

The issue is that the only real characters that are canocally female in mainstream gaming are characters like Lara Croft. Guys get awesome male leads that you all can relate to. We, well, we get over sexualized man-barbies. (Do you know how many skimpy outfits you can dress Lara in? It's ridiculous. Honestly, yes girls like to feel pretty, but seriously do you really have to include two freaking bikinis?) Girl-rage aside, I just want to have a girl lead like FemShep put out there. She's a completely respectable lead and one that is likely to attract more girl gamers that are sick of the stuff we usually get.

[shinobi602]

ReinaHW wrote...

Yet why should a female player be forced to play as male if they have the choice of a female lead? I can't relate to a male lead, for example, so why should I play as them? Only ruins any chance of fun and immersion for me.

Well yea...I didn't say otherwise...

ReinaHW wrote...A little information, a picture on the cover, something to say that the player can choose isn't much to ask. The generic male Shepard would still be shown, but at least with a little information that the player can choose would tempt people new to Bioware games

Yes I didn't disagree with this.
 

[lolwut666]

Maybe they could make a cover where Sheploo is shown sideways, and then an afterimage-thingy (dunno what's the word for it) of the female Shepard would appear back-to-back with him or something.

But then you'd have all the fanbots raging because they don't like that BioWare used the default female Shepard model.

There's no winning the fandom, really. No wonder the devs just go with what's more practical.

[Saphara]

lolwut666 wrote...

Maybe they could make a cover where Sheploo is shown sideways, and then an afterimage-thingy (dunno what's the word for it) of the female Shepard would appear back-to-back with him or something.

But then you'd have all the fanbots raging because they don't like that BioWare used the default female Shepard model.

There's no winning the fandom, really. No wonder the devs just go with what's more practical.

Why would people rage that the deault femshep is used when the default Mshep is also used?

[lolwut666]

Well, Sheploo is iconic, while the deafult female Shepard is seen as just a plain Jane that is way worse than any custom face the fandom can come up with (totally not true).

[Saphara]

lolwut666 wrote...

Well, Sheploo is iconic, while the deafult female Shepard is seen as just a plain Jane that is way worse than any custom face the fandom can come up with (totally not true).

I havent seen much on the forums that says that. I personally think that's hyperbole used as an excuse to not use femshep on the cover. (not a perosnal attack). With as many people that customize their male sheps, i cant imagine that being a good excuse at all.

[MidnightRaith]

lolwut666 wrote...

Maybe they could make a cover where Sheploo is shown sideways, and then an afterimage-thingy (dunno what's the word for it) of the female Shepard would appear back-to-back with him or something.

But then you'd have all the fanbots raging because they don't like that BioWare used the default female Shepard model.

There's no winning the fandom, really. No wonder the devs just go with what's more practical.

Not when the jacket for the game is reversible and both genders can be represented equally.

[lolwut666]

I'm not making up excuses. I'm just telling you how it is.

If you browse the forums some, you'll find some threads discussing character faces, and there's a lot of rage about how female Shepard is not as detailed as male Shepard, and how the deafult face is horrible, etc.

For alI I care, they can add female Shepard to the cover; I'm just explaining why I think it won't happen.

[jmood88]

I can't believe that people actually care about the cover. Once I get a game, the disc goes in my dvd binder and the case goes on a shelf. Do you guys really look at the cover that often?

[MidnightRaith]

lolwut666 wrote...

I'm not making up excuses. I'm just telling you how it is.

If you browse the forums some, you'll find some threads discussing character faces, and there's a lot of rage about how female Shepard is not as detailed as male Shepard, and how the deafult face is horrible, etc.

For alI I care, they can add female Shepard to the cover; I'm just explaining why I think it won't happen.

MShep looks significantly better in the ME3 shots. I assume the same can be done for FemShep.

[Vez04]

jmood88 wrote...

I can't believe that people actually care about the cover. Once I get a game, the disc goes in my dvd binder and the case goes on a shelf. Do you guys really look at the cover that often?

Video Game Art is inspiring, and thats what Game Covers have on them (mostly) usually. So that maybe is why some people like to stare at it for more then once.

Modifié par Vez04, 27 avril 2011 - 12:57 .

[jmood88]

Tarahiro wrote...

I don't want to be forced to have Sheploo on my cover - expecially if i'm forking out who knows how much for the collectors edition. I think it should be a no-shep cover, or if they insist on having Shep on the front, make the cover reversible. That way I can switch the cover around to have FemShep. Loads of games dont have the characters on the front cover and they do just fine.

Games that focus on specific characters have those characters on the box 99% of the time.

[ThatDancingTurian]

I just hope they have a similar cover to ME2's collector's edition for ME3's. I always get the CE anyway, it was just a bonus that this one came with no Sheploo on the main cover. Besides, I just thought the N7 logo was a really gorgeous cover. Maybe for ME3 they can have the Normandy or a Reaper on the CE.

[ME_Fan]

Don't judge a game by it's cover.

[Saphara]

jmood88 wrote...

Tarahiro wrote...

I don't want to be forced to have Sheploo on my cover - expecially if i'm forking out who knows how much for the collectors edition. I think it should be a no-shep cover, or if they insist on having Shep on the front, make the cover reversible. That way I can switch the cover around to have FemShep. Loads of games dont have the characters on the front cover and they do just fine.

Games that focus on specific characters have those characters on the box 99% of the time.

Except there is no specific look. We can customize all our shepards. There are defaults, but there are no cannon shepards.

There is just Shepard, not Jon Shepard who looks like sheploo and is a soldier.

Mass Effect is NOT the Witcher!

Modifié par Saphara, 27 avril 2011 - 01:04 .

[ME_Fan]

'puts on sunglasses'

[MidnightRaith]

Vez04 wrote...

jmood88 wrote...

I can't believe that people actually care about the cover. Once I get a game, the disc goes in my dvd binder and the case goes on a shelf. Do you guys really look at the cover that often?

Video Game Art is inspiring, and thats what Game Covers have on them (mostly) usually. So that maybe is why some people like to stare at it for more then once.

That's all you got out of this? No, what this is about is that there is no real reason why Bioware needs to treat FemShep like she doesn't exist on the marketing side of things. It never should have been that way.

Focusing on MShep has alienated some female gamers, me being one of them once upon a time. Putting a focus on FemShep in some way will not only bring more fans but give female gamers a protagonist that they can relate to with out feeling like they're playing over-sexualized characters.

It's not a case of throwing MShep away in favor of FemShep, we just want some acknowledgement. Putting her on the other side of the cover as an option doesn't seem too much imo.

[lolwut666]

Maybe they could show FemShep with her back facing the "camera", so you can't see her face. That way, she is on the cover and nobody will whine about what her face looks like.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Yeah, the other suggestion was to have Femshep on the cover with her old N7 helmet on, the fully sealed one for space. Thus she'd be there, and recognizably her, but you wouldn't see her face. Good enough for us.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 27 avril 2011 - 01:13 .