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[jmbrosendo]

Maverick827 wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

Well if I ignored the parts that make the combat different, then the combat would be the same.

So the definition of an RPG comes down to solely animations?

Leveling and inventory management, fi we take in some developers comments. It's all about the xp and the loot, baby.

[TJSolo]

Maverick827 wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

Well if I ignored the parts that make the combat different, then the combat would be the same.

So the definition of an RPG comes down to solely animations?

Is that what I said?

[Mecher3k]

Action RPG, with a focus on the action part, just like Mass Effect.

But unlike Mass Effect, Dragon Age wasn't always an Action RPG, and the action part fails as well.

[Scimal]

Mecher3k wrote...

Action RPG, with a focus on the action part, just like Mass Effect.

But unlike Mass Effect, Dragon Age wasn't always an Action RPG, and the action part fails as well.

Pfft, seriously?

Name one major plot point you can solve without resulting to violence in DA:O.

Brecilian Forest - Slaughter either leader or slaughter either camp.
Redcliffe - Slaughter the demon in the fade, and then slaughter a cult to get the Ashes.
Orzammar - Slaughter your way through the Deep Roads, and then slaughter either Cairidin or Branka to get the crown or word of the Paragon.
Mage Tower - Slaughter your way up, and then slaughter the people at the end.
Denerim - Slaughter your way out of prison before challenging Loghain to a fight.
Archdemon - You kill it.

You are never able to broker peace or find a way that doesn't involve killing someone to gain an army. You can't even betray people all that often to side with the person you were sent to destroy.

[Romantiq]

Even if its an action rpg - it remains a lame example of it.

[Volourn]

"hardly any choices and almost everything "

So... BG is an action rpg? POR and most of the other GB games are action rpg? IWD is an action rpg?

And, BL is a rpg? JE is a rpg? Gothics are RPG?

Sorry, dude, but your defintion of rpg is wack. It's simply fact that classic rpgs save a ahndful were lacking role-playing chocie and were heavy on the 'action'.

And, BIO pimped DA as a rpg. And, like I said ebfore, i've seen other rpgs advertised as silly ation adventure, adventure, and other silly labels.

Fallout Tatics, btw, is labeled rpg on GOG even though they ahve a strategy category. HA!

By definition, DA2 is a RPG. It could be considered great, average, or horrible; but rpg it is.

What's funny is some of my favorite games are action rpgs like BL, JE, or BGDA 9even though that is a whole different kind.

L0LZ

BG, IWD, TOEE, and POR1 are action rpgs. HAHAHAHA!

[Mecher3k]

Scimal wrote...

Mecher3k wrote...

Action RPG, with a focus on the action part, just like Mass Effect.

But unlike Mass Effect, Dragon Age wasn't always an Action RPG, and the action part fails as well.

Pfft, seriously?

Name one major plot point you can solve without resulting to violence in DA:O.

Brecilian Forest - Slaughter either leader or slaughter either camp.
Redcliffe - Slaughter the demon in the fade, and then slaughter a cult to get the Ashes.
Orzammar - Slaughter your way through the Deep Roads, and then slaughter either Cairidin or Branka to get the crown or word of the Paragon.
Mage Tower - Slaughter your way up, and then slaughter the people at the end.
Denerim - Slaughter your way out of prison before challenging Loghain to a fight.
Archdemon - You kill it.

You are never able to broker peace or find a way that doesn't involve killing someone to gain an army. You can't even betray people all that often to side with the person you were sent to destroy.

So let me get this straight. I mention DA2 being an Action RPG, and failing at even the action part.

And then you go on and post a derp filled rant about major plot points in DA:O.

I can see the link there, if I were to take the fork I have in my hand and shove into my eye socket and into my brain that is.

[Scimal]

Mecher3k wrote...

Scimal wrote...

Mecher3k wrote...

Action RPG, with a focus on the action part, just like Mass Effect.

But unlike Mass Effect, Dragon Age wasn't always an Action RPG, and the action part fails as well.

Pfft, seriously?

Name one major plot point you can solve without resulting to violence in DA:O.

Brecilian Forest - Slaughter either leader or slaughter either camp.
Redcliffe - Slaughter the demon in the fade, and then slaughter a cult to get the Ashes.
Orzammar - Slaughter your way through the Deep Roads, and then slaughter either Cairidin or Branka to get the crown or word of the Paragon.
Mage Tower - Slaughter your way up, and then slaughter the people at the end.
Denerim - Slaughter your way out of prison before challenging Loghain to a fight.
Archdemon - You kill it.

You are never able to broker peace or find a way that doesn't involve killing someone to gain an army. You can't even betray people all that often to side with the person you were sent to destroy.

So let me get this straight. I mention DA2 being an Action RPG, and failing at even the action part.

And then you go on and post a derp filled rant about major plot points in DA:O.

I can see the link there, if I were to take the fork I have in my hand and shove into my eye socket and into my brain that is.

I was addressing your "Dragon Age wasn't always an Action RPG" part, not anything else. Whether you think it fails or not is pure opinion.

However, saying that DA:O (or any of the flash games) were any less Action-y than DA2 begs to be contested when you can't really solve any major problems without murder. Sometimes lots of murder.

[HeliusOD]

think god of war just crappier

[mykeme]

A piece of crap by any other name is still a flaming piece of crap.

[Davasar]

God of War, with a different game title.

Done.

[Aaleel]

It was intended to be an action RPG to me. If it were really a story about Hawke's rise from nothing it would have started out slow in Lothering showing what Hawke really came from, establishing the whole family component.

But no, they threw you right into fighting, and not only that overpowered you just so you could run around tearing through waves of darkspawn and an Ogre.

Then when you look at the enemy waves, which just artificially extended battles and added more fighting to the game. They just threw in waves on new enemies with 1/3 a normal life bar just to give you more stuff to kill.

Then you have the city where criminals outnumbered citizens 20:1 and every 20 steps you took you were being mugged by waves of gang members.

They marketed it as an Action-Rpg, they said they were going after the COD crowd with this game. Why are people getting so bent out of shape about it? Is saying Action-Rpg cussing or something?

[Guldor]

Scimal wrote...

So Bioware simply categorized it under the wrong category and now
I understand why those who like it do. Cant compare apple and oranges.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha... Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha... ha ha ha ha ha!

You know what, you're totally right. It's not that people have different tastes about stories, characters, combat mechanics, and art design - it's that they put "Action" in front of it!

Totally right.

Why, just last week I thought Portal 2 was an Adventure-Puzzle game because it has a bunch of physics puzzles. Luckily for me, I LOVE Adventure-Puzzle games. Best Valve game in the last 3 years for me!

However, I just looked it up on Steam - and it's actually an Action-Adventure! No puzzles at all! Now I hate it!

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.... Man, I'm glad I got that figured out!

Now I'm going to go post a thread on the Steam forums about all the idiots who like Action-Adventure games because they're not Adventure-Puzzle games, excuse me.

Sarcasm?
Im only saying i was using the wrong point of reference to compare it. Not being an RPG like DAO but more like Diablo, I can see why people like it.

[Volourn]

"They marketed it as an Action-Rpg"

No.

Then again, you probably think games like POR1, BG, IWD, TOEE, NWN, and KOTOR are Action RPGs as well. L0LZ

[Aaleel]

Volourn wrote...

"They marketed it as an Action-Rpg"

No.

Then again, you probably think games like POR1, BG, IWD, TOEE, NWN, and KOTOR are Action RPGs as well. L0LZ

http://www.g4tv.com/...Access-Preview/

Happy watching.

[Scimal]

Aaleel wrote...

They marketed it as an Action-Rpg, they said they were going after the COD crowd with this game. Why are people getting so bent out of shape about it? Is saying Action-Rpg cussing or something?

Beats me.

The RPG elitests think that there's some non-existent list of features any game under the "RPG" genre must have in order to be an RPG. Anything else is an insult to them and the entire genre.

Another possibility is that some people just ignored what BioWare was saying about the game, what the Demo played like, bought the game anyways, and were suddenly surprised when they didn't like what they had. Now they feel so betrayed that the only way for them to feel somewhat recompensed is to bitterly respond to every thread on the DA2 forums about how much the game jilted them.

[Guldor]

Volourn wrote...

It's a RPG.

And, Zelda is an action adventure game.

DA2, like DA1, character success is based on character stats.

ME2, and BL are examples of action rpgs even thoguh they actually have better 'role-playing' than so called 'full rpgs' like BG, Gb games, and KOTOR.

RPG elements yes. But, according with the action rpg definition, it also has the hack and slash criteria with a mix of turn-based combat.

Perhaps making it a hybrid creates a"love it-hate it" reaction.

[randName]

Rawgrim wrote...

Action game with dialogue.

Yes but the dialogue won't change much - it's a bit like any action RPG but you can pick how you sound as you get cut-scenes and dialogue - rarely do you get to change anything with dialogue, nor is there anything hard in the dialogue (you can't fail and it won't really change anything save some endgame options in which companions will stand with you).

It's a bit like any action game with dialogue save that the cutscenes are more interactive, but the depth and the amount of choice are more or less the same.

So I'd place it firmly as an ARPG (A brand I don't mind, so it's not about pointing fingers and saying "Bad BioWare!").

If anything I'm looking forward to Diablo III and ME3 (I found ME2 to be almost deeper as you had more choices than DA2 RPG wise).

Modifié par randName, 26 avril 2011 - 06:20 .

[Volourn]

"Steam calls it action rpg"

Actually, so people don't get suckered into your lying as gospel, steam doesn't call it that. Steam actually has DA2 in 3 different categories: action,a dventure, and rpg. So.. really how can anyone take what steam says seriously?

Anyways, DA2 is a rpg. I don't know how anyone can claim with a straight fact that BG or POR1 are full fledge rpgs but DA2 isn't. It's beyond laughable espciailly when they sput silliness like 'lack of choices' since neither POR or BG are known for either.

DA2 is a rpg. It is a contender for rpg of the eyar awards no doubt. Heck, as weill ME2. even though that is 100% an Action RPG.


"it's a bit like any action RPG"
yeah, because BG was such a deep role-playing when it came to dialoguE changing things. L0LZ

The dialogue and chocie is depper and more complex than most rpgs including many of BIO's own offerings.

Modifié par Volourn, 26 avril 2011 - 06:23 .

[Galad22]

Volourn wrote...

"Steam calls it action rpg"

Actually, so people don't get suckered into your lying as gospel, steam doesn't call it that. Steam actually has DA2 in 3 different categories: action,a dventure, and rpg. So.. really how can anyone take what steam says seriously?

Since I didn't lie, I really don't like your tone much. I'd like to ask you to knock it off.

And as I said, I doubt steam categorises the games without imput from developers themselves. Do you really think they just throw some categories for the games they sell at random? Isn't it you know more likely that they ask developers how they'd like to categorise their own game?

Modifié par Galad22, 26 avril 2011 - 06:29 .

[Guldor]

Scimal wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

They marketed it as an Action-Rpg, they said they were going after the COD crowd with this game. Why are people getting so bent out of shape about it? Is saying Action-Rpg cussing or something?

Beats me.

The RPG elitests think that there's some non-existent list of features any game under the "RPG" genre must have in order to be an RPG. Anything else is an insult to them and the entire genre.

Another possibility is that some people just ignored what BioWare was saying about the game, what the Demo played like, bought the game anyways, and were suddenly surprised when they didn't like what they had. Now they feel so betrayed that the only way for them to feel somewhat recompensed is to bitterly respond to every thread on the DA2 forums about how much the game jilted them.

Actually EA stores categorizes DAO as action, adventure and Role-playing yet there are no hack and slash. The categorization could be better.

I am not an RPg elitest but I do expect certain things from an rpg.

I only started this topic as a discussion about these two different style (rpg and action rpg) when I found out interesting differences and it allowed me to categorized DA2 better and why I didnt like it. I kept comparing to DAO when in fact I should have used Diablo.
My process was put on this board hoping to "cool" the hate on it, if I may say, by giving another way of looking at it.

[Akka le Vil]

"action RPG", like "japanese RPG", is a marketting stunt that has no meaning, and is only a way to try to attract the higher prestige of "RPG" qualification by throwing loot and XP (which are two things that have high correlation, but not causation, with RPG) in and saying "it's a RPG !!!!".

DA2 is definitely a RPG. Action-oriented, dumbed down, rushed and casualized, but RPG nonetheless.

Modifié par Akka le Vil, 26 avril 2011 - 06:38 .

[Volourn]

"Since I didn't lie, I really don't like your tone much. I'd like to ask you to knock it off."

Sure, you claimed Steam had labeled DA2 as an action rpg. It doesn't. It has its listed in 3 different categories. Action, RPG, and Adventure.


"And as I said, I doubt steam categorises the games without imput from developers themselves. Do you really think they just throw some categories for the games they sell at random? Isn't it you know more likely that they ask developers how they'd like to categorise their own game?"

Of course, Steam chooses where they place the games.. why is the game in 3 different categories then? In fact, multipel agems are listed in multiple categories. Steam's categories are nothing more than random jaunts of silliness. They have the newer M&M listed in RPG section even though they are actually strategy/action based games (it's also in multiple categories0.

Steam doesn't even seem tio have an action rpg category. It' has a category for action games and a category for role-playing games.


"DA2 is definitely a RPG. Action-oriented, dumbed down, rushed and casualized, but RPG nonetheless."

See. I like this guy in this thread. While I disagree with his opinion on DA2, he has the categorization right. I loathe the ES series but it's still RPG.

Modifié par Volourn, 26 avril 2011 - 06:35 .

[Haexpane]

Volourn wrote...

It's a RPG.

And, Zelda is an action adventure game.

DA2, like DA1, character success is based on character stats.

ME2, and BL are examples of action rpgs even thoguh they actually have better 'role-playing' than so called 'full rpgs' like BG, Gb games, and KOTOR.

Mass Effect 2 has roleplaying?  I don't consider "Oh snap, sexy shepard said something snarky" to be "role playing" any more than "It's a ME MARIO" is roleplaying.

It's sitting back, watching someone voice act in a Choose your own adventure level novel.  

I want RPG GAMEPLAY, not pew pew and PG-13 Twilight fan fic secks

[Mecher3k]

Scimal, your post still fails. Even more so now.