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[Zjarcal]

Maverick827 wrote...

I didn't really see a difference between Origins and DA2 on the PC. I saw an enemy, I clicked on an enemy, I chose an ability targeted at that enemy, and then said ability was executed. Just because my character lunged/cartwheeled/flipped/grapevined/electric-slid/etc. to the target while doing so doesn't really strike me as different.

This.

That the combat was faster and the animations more over the top doesn't mean the mechanics themselves were different.

The same mechanics applied and success is still based on attack scores not on fast reflexes. So yeah, if DA2 was an action RPG then so was Origins.

But either way, I don't care, I like both games.

[Monica83]

action adventure... the rpg elements in da2 are almost not existent

[Volourn]

"Mass Effect 2 has roleplaying? I don't consider "Oh snap, sexy shepard said something snarky" to be "role playing" any more than "It's a ME MARIO" is roleplaying. "

You ar wrong. Yourd ecisions in ME2 can effect outcome of quests and inf act the entire game. Your decisions and behaviour detemrines how companions and other npcs react to you and you have different ways to solve quests.

Nice try though. ME definitely has rping but it's justly labeled action rpg because the combat is largely based in player skill and characetr stats are secondary. That is the difference between action rpg and rpg.

This is why a game like IWD or POR is a rpg despite it being 100% about the combat.

[Mecher3k]

Zjarcal wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...

I didn't really see a difference between Origins and DA2 on the PC. I saw an enemy, I clicked on an enemy, I chose an ability targeted at that enemy, and then said ability was executed. Just because my character lunged/cartwheeled/flipped/grapevined/electric-slid/etc. to the target while doing so doesn't really strike me as different.

This.

That the combat was faster and the animations more over the top doesn't mean the mechanics themselves were different.

The same mechanics applied and success is still based on attack scores not on fast reflexes. So yeah, if DA2 was an action RPG then so was Origins.

But either way, I don't care, I like both games.

So much fail, but then again when it comes to defending DA2 fail is what will happen.

DA2 has waves after waves. And guess what, that is a game mechanic. So is the random and pointless bandits being immune to a random element.

And on and on.

[Galad22]

Volourn wrote...

Sure, you claimed Steam had labeled DA2 as an action rpg. It doesn't. It has its listed in 3 different categories. Action, RPG, and Adventure.

You can't be this dense? Are you nitpickin about this on purpose?

Volourn wrote...

Of course, Steam chooses where they place the games.. why is the game in 3 different categories then? In fact, multipel agems are listed in multiple categories. Steam's categories are nothing more than random jaunts of silliness. They have the newer M&M listed in RPG section even though they are actually strategy/action based games (it's also in multiple categories0.

Steam doesn't even seem tio have an action rpg category. It' has a category for action games and a category for role-playing games.

And do you have a link or some other proof to say that this is what steam does? I admit that I don't on my own point but I think it would make sense.

And yes it has an category for action games and rpg games. Since it is in both it means that it is not wrong to call it action rpg.

[Volourn]

"And yes it has an category for action games and rpg games. Since it is in both it means that it is not wrong to call it action rpg."

There are differences between 'action' 'action rpg' and 'rpg' genres'. Action and action rpg are NOT the same thing.

"And do you have a link or some other proof to say that this is what steam does? I admit that I don't on my own point but I think it would make sense."

Why not go to steam yourself? That's what i did when I read the nonsense from earlier, and it was proven. Steam doesn't have any game listed as 'action rpg' since it doesn't even have an action rpg category. LMAO

So.. according to your logic.. since Steam has DA2 listed as a RPG that must mean it is a RPG. HAHAHA!

Modifié par Volourn, 26 avril 2011 - 06:47 .

[Scimal]

Guldor wrote...

Sarcasm?
Im only saying i was using the wrong point of reference to compare it. Not being an RPG like DAO but more like Diablo, I can see why people like it.

I'll put it this way.

I completely disagree that DA2 is closer to Diablo than DA:O, and also find the wikipedia entries to be laughable because they're so similar that you might as well lump them together 95% of the time.

However, you're not here to stir trouble (despite whatever biases you make obvious), so I won't take too much issue as long as you're trying to understand.

[Zjarcal]

Mecher3k wrote...
So much fail, but then again when it comes to defending DA2 fail is what will happen.

DA2 has waves after waves. And guess what, that is a game mechanic. So is the random and pointless bandits being immune to a random element.

And on and on.

You don't say?

So because it has waves the whole game is different and now must be classified under a different genre? Good to know, I'll write that down.

And you mean bandits having high resistances to elemental damage? Because they couldn't be possibly wearing elemental resistnace equipment for instance? That also makes the game part of a different genre? Okay then, I'll also add it to my notes.

*tosses notes to the garbage*

Seriously though, you've been doing nothing but post condescending crap towards anyone who dares say DA2 is good, so arguing with you is pointless.

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

Zjarcal wrote...
Seriously though, you've been doing nothing but post condescending crap towards anyone who dares say DA2 is good, so arguing with you is pointless.

When someone is that emotionally invested in a video game, it's best not to begrudge him his coping mechanisms.

[Volourn]

That's very zen of you.

[Galad22]

Volourn wrote...

"And yes it has an category for action games and rpg games. Since it is in both it means that it is not wrong to call it action rpg."

There are differences between 'action' 'action rpg' and 'rpg' genres'. Action and action rpg are NOT the same thing.

"And do you have a link or some other proof to say that this is what steam does? I admit that I don't on my own point but I think it would make sense."

Why not go to steam yourself? That's what i did when I read the nonsense from earlier, and it was proven. Steam doesn't have any game listed as 'action rpg' since it doesn't even have an action rpg category. LMAO

So.. according to your logic.. since Steam has DA2 listed as a RPG that must mean it is a RPG. HAHAHA!

You know I am starting to think it is useless to talk or argue about anything with you. If you wish to make a point you could try doing it politely. Instead you have called me liar, said I post nonsense and other stuff.

I don't actually have any patience dealing with your stuff anymore today or ever again.

[Volourn]

You said Steam listed DA2 as an action rpg. Steam did no such thing since it has no such category. How can that not be considered lying?

[neppakyo]

Galad22 wrote...


You know I am starting to think it is useless to talk or argue about anything with you. If you wish to make a point you could try doing it politely. Instead you have called me liar, said I post nonsense and other stuff.

I don't actually have any patience dealing with your stuff anymore today or ever again.

Yeah it is pointless to have a dicussion with him. He seems to create things to validate his own opinion and never considers other people may have a point or be right.

I gave up awhile ago. I just consider him a troll now.

[Volourn]

What steam lists their games isn't opinion based. It's factual. Steam lists DA2 as an action game, a RPG, and an adventure game. it does not list it as an action rpg as it has no such category.

[Maverick827]

neppakyo wrote...

I just consider him a troll now.

Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls, then?

[Haexpane]

Volourn wrote...
 Yourd ecisions in ME2 can effect outcome of quests and inf act the entire game. Your decisions and behaviour detemrines how companions and other npcs react to you and you have different ways to solve quests.

Nice try though. ME definitely has rping but it's justly labeled action rpg because the combat is largely based in player skill and characetr stats are secondary. That is the difference between action rpg and rpg.

This is why a game like IWD or POR is a rpg despite it being 100% about the combat.

Nope, not even close.  Choosing dialog for a herp derp reply = Choose Your Own Adventure books for 10 year olds.

ME2 is not an RPG because it DOESNT HAVE ANY RPG GAMEPLAY!  Any game can have a story, and most games do.

Is COD an RPG?  Penny-arcade says it is, but they are referring to only the MP gameplay, which is pretty RPGish.  But MP COD has NO STORY, so what gives?

What gives is this - Story doesn't make a game an RPG.  The gameplay does

[Haexpane]

Volourn wrote...

What steam lists their games isn't opinion based. It's factual. Steam lists DA2 as an action game, a RPG, and an adventure game. it does not list it as an action rpg as it has no such category.

So what?  Product category drill down = meaningless.

[Maverick827]

Haexpane wrote...

Story doesn't make a game an RPG.  The gameplay does

Gameplay doesn't make a game an RPG.  The roleplaying does.

[Haexpane]

Maverick827 wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

Story doesn't make a game an RPG.  The gameplay does

Gameplay doesn't make a game an RPG.  The roleplaying does.

So Super Mario = RPG then because you're roleplaying Mario?

RPG no longer means "I'm pretending to be someone"  for videogames.

For VIDEOGAMES  the term "RPG" defines a genre, a generally accepted style of gameplay with a diverse set of sub genres.

Saying RPG gaming = "I'm pretending to have secks!" is very furry minded.

[neppakyo]

RPG, Roleplaying Game. You roleplay a character, drive the story with choices, interact with NPC's or other players. Its not about combat.

[Aaleel]

Haexpane wrote...

What gives is this - Story doesn't make a game an RPG.  The gameplay does

If the story isn't good, and isn't holding your attention, what reason do you have to keep playing the game?  I'd rather just go play a full action game without having to sit through all the extra dialogue and running around.

[Galad22]

Maverick827 wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

Story doesn't make a game an RPG.  The gameplay does

Gameplay doesn't make a game an RPG.  The roleplaying does.

Your definition versus Haexpanes.

[Haexpane]

neppakyo wrote...

RPG, Roleplaying Game. You roleplay a character, drive the story with choices, interact with NPC's or other players. Its not about combat.

99% of RPGs have no story choices.  So only 1% of RPG videogames are RPGs?

[Haexpane]

Aaleel wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

What gives is this - Story doesn't make a game an RPG.  The gameplay does

If the story isn't good, and isn't holding your attention, what reason do you have to keep playing the game?  I'd rather just go play a full action game without having to sit through all the extra dialogue and running around.

Diablo, WoW, Everquest, Demon's Souls, Deus Ex etc.. all have mediocre to crap level stories.  They are also without a doubt RPG games, and high quality RPG games with large fan bases. 

Personally, I have ZERO interest in WoW, but I can see quite clearly that it's an RPG game.

Heavy Rain is ALL ABOUT THE STORY and story choices that drives the entire game.  No one ever called it an RPG, why not?  Simple.  RPG VIDEOGAMES are a GENRE of gaming defined by the gameplay.

Why do people keep playing them?  Who can answer why we play some games and not others?  Anwers are so diverse it's impossible to list here.

[Haexpane]

Galad22 wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

Story doesn't make a game an RPG.  The gameplay does

Gameplay doesn't make a game an RPG.  The roleplaying does.

Your definition versus Haexpanes.

The OBVIOUS difference is I defined what makes an RPG Game, the gameplay.  Someone else said RPG games are defined by "roleplaying" which has no meaning in terms of videogame genres.

Every fictional videogame where you control a character = "roleplaying" so 99.9% of all videogames are RPGs now?

Halo 1 is an RPG because we "roleplayed" Master Chief?  No, it's not.

Halo 1 is NOT an RPG because we generally agree on the broad strokes of what makes an RPG VIDEOGAME genre.