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[Tommy6860]

mrcrusty wrote...

Lol, better just call DA 2 a story based RPG and leave it at that.

I personally think it's an Action RPG, but I don't classify Action RPGs as being separate from the RPG genre, it's merely a subgenre within the bigger genre. So this "Dragon Age 2 is not a real RPG, it's an Action RPG!" type of talk is really funny to me.

True, it's all opinion anyway. But, IMO, DA2 is not an RPG that I am used to playing in the sense that I have experienced with the different levels of RPGs well over 30 years. I just wonder what the threshold is and there has to be some classification to what defines an RPG. I have seen where gamers call COD an RPG just because they can switch between classes of soldiers, go figure.

Modifié par Tommy6860, 05 mai 2011 - 02:14 .

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

I would just say that an RPG is a game whereupon you play a role where your choices and character's skills and abilities play a dominant role in narrative and gameplay.

This is where games like CoD fall off the wagon. Post MW CoD has progression elements, but player skill and abilities is still the dominant factor in that game.

Obviously though, people are free to disagree with my definition and probably will.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 05 mai 2011 - 03:26 .

[Slayer299]

Volourn wrote...

"DA2 is an action RPG. It's 90% fighting and 10% everything else (dialogue, visuals, NPC's, story, etc,), and that's my definition of ARGP. "

First off, your precentage is way off.

Secondly, by your deifntion, classic rpgs like the GB games, Wizardry, M&M, BG series, IWD series, ARC, and a host of others are action rpgs. In fact, by your defintion, 99% of rpgs are actually action rpgs including the FOs because fighting is a huge part of those games as well. L0LZ

Gee, and you know how I came to that percentage because....how? So, no, my definition of DA2 stands and is correct for me.

[Slayer299]

Altima Darkspells wrote...
Genres are determined by mechanics, not story or other 'incidentals' to gameplay.  That's why ME2 is a shooter, for example, and why Alpha Protocol or Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines isn't.

And I completely agree with you about that.

The problem with shifting DA2 into a genre is that it's pretty bastardized.  It has elements of both classic CRPG and more current action RPGs (and even more current hack-n-slashes) while completely lacking the things people would see to automatically put it in one category or another.

Personal feelings do come into account.  Sometimes games just don't feel right for their genres.  For example, no one on this planet could convince me that Diablo (2) is anything more than a mindless hack-n-slash instead of the action RPG most people seem to think it is.

My definition of DA2 comes because it seems to rely heavily on just combat, (all games have that element), but in DA2 it seems the combat comes at the cost of the story, the NPC's seem flat and 2D, endlessly reused areas, lack of any real choices to name 4 off-hand. While it has less directly in common with D2 and it's virtual combat simulator, it's not that far off in my mind either.

[Ultai]

This thread amuses me, no one can agree on what an rpg, or a so called "rpg element" is.

[Realmzmaster]

@Ultai,
You my friend have hit the nail on the head. Everyone has a varying opinion on what defines a CRPG. In my opinion the genre is big enough to encompass a whole lot of definitions none of which are definitive.

[Ultai]

It's like metal, or electronica. So many genres that you can get lost in it all.

[Haexpane]

Ultai wrote...

It's like metal, or electronica. So many genres that you can get lost in it all.

Yes, it's a LOT like Metal actually.

Calling DA2 "action RPG" because it's fast is like calling Metalica "Death metal" because he growls.  It's an inaccurate assessment or a faulty analysis.

 

[Haexpane]

It's clear that DA2 is a "new sub-genre"

Story Based, Real Time With Pause Combat on Meth, Western Design, Party based, dialog chosey , Herpes Boobed, Respawning Ninja, Persistent Gore, CPtCRPG (computer ported to console)

[xkg]

Haexpane wrote...

Ultai wrote...

It's like metal, or electronica. So many genres that you can get lost in it all.

Yes, it's a LOT like Metal actually.

Calling DA2 "action RPG" because it's fast is like calling Metalica "Death metal" because he growls.  It's an inaccurate assessment or a faulty analysis. 

Ok, but what is your opinion. Is DA2 Action-RPG or is it not ?

[kcman5]

RPG=Role Playing Game...Period. Where you the Person sitting behind your console or PC, manipulates the actions of the Story character.. I think it's more due to evolution of the game that some lose sight of the simple fact.
There are probably alot of Diablo fans around here, but to be honest, I think it was highly overrated and still is. Maybe that's why they've kept pushing back the realease date over and over. Which could be good, for I think they don't want to make a flub out of it.

[xkg]

kcman5 wrote...

RPG=Role Playing Game...Period. Where you the Person sitting behind your console or PC, manipulates the actions of the Story character.. I think it's more due to evolution of the game that some lose sight of the simple fact. ...

Are you trying to sugest that games like King's Quest, Police Quest, Space Quest, Leisure Suit Larry are RPGs ?

[Haexpane]

kcman5 wrote...

 
There are probably alot of Diablo fans around here, but to be honest, I think it was highly overrated and still is. 

Diablo 1 was properly rated, it was the genesis of the true Action RPG with ATMOSPHERE that sticks.  The town music alone still gives me chills.

[Romantiq]

Exactly. Atmosphere really helped Diablo thats why a lot of old school players are worried about Diablo 3's art style.

[kcman5]

xkg wrote...

kcman5 wrote...

RPG=Role Playing Game...Period. Where you the Person sitting behind your console or PC, manipulates the actions of the Story character.. I think it's more due to evolution of the game that some lose sight of the simple fact. ...

Are you trying to sugest that games like King's Quest, Police Quest, Space Quest, Leisure Suit Larry are RPGs ?

 Any game that has a story to it and is manipulated by a Player Character, could ALL be assigned the RPG tag. Be it a FPS or other. It's just that the industry has lil niches what to call games and what genre to put them in, but when it comes to the basics and meets that criteria, YES they could.

[xkg]

I think developers know what type of game they are making.
So it is safe to say that DA2 is  Action-RPG.

Dragon Age 2 All Access Preview

I can clerly hear him saying "Action RPG" (0:36).

[Haexpane]

Romantiq wrote...

Exactly. Atmosphere really helped Diablo thats why a lot of old school players are worried about Diablo 3's art style.

Absolutely, Diablo 3's "art style" is just WoW copy and paste Purple/Pink kiddie nonsense.

But blizzard knows where the money is, the Facebook Bieber teens

[Haexpane]

xkg wrote...


I think developers know what type of game they are making.
So it is safe to say that DA2 is  Action-RPG.

Dragon Age 2 All Access Preview

I can clerly hear him saying "Action RPG" (0:36).

They can call it whatever they want, they are wrong.  While in the end it's meaningless that they are wrong in terms of impact on the world, that doesn't change it.

It's a Real Time With Pause combat engine, that is by definition , NOT an action RPG.

They WANT it to FEEL like an action RPG, and they got that right, but it's still RTWP, and quite frankly, RTWP is a much better system for party based games anyway.

How can I say a developer is wrong about classifying their own game?

The same way I can say the Colorado Rockie's ownership was wrong when they said the 2007 Rockies were "God's team" and "a championship team".  They own it, shouldn't they know about their own team?

The rockies lost, and god doesn't give a rats arse about sports.  If I remember correctly, they also got swept in 4 straight games.  

[Teredan]

is it fun to argue semantics?

[kcman5]

xkg wrote...


I think developers know what type of game they are making.
So it is safe to say that DA2 is  Action-RPG.

Dragon Age 2 All Access Preview

I can clerly hear him saying "Action RPG" (0:36).

 No matter what label you want to put on it, any mystery, sport, auto, action or other game that has a story to it and is manipulated by the story character at it's core value, is still a RPG.. No matter how you slice, dice, convey, portray and label it.

Modifié par kcman5, 05 mai 2011 - 07:17 .

[Gleym]

I found Bioshock and Bioshock 2 to be more of an RPG than DA2.

[Wulfram]

The importance of manually dodging enemy attacks, particularly againt bosses, is a little actiony. But it's not really an action RPG.

[xkg]

Haexpane wrote...

They can call it whatever they want, they are wrong.  While in the end it's meaningless that they are wrong in terms of impact on the world, that doesn't change it.

It's a Real Time With Pause combat engine, that is by definition , NOT an action RPG.

They WANT it to FEEL like an action RPG, and they got that right, but it's still RTWP, and quite frankly, RTWP is a much better system for party based games anyway.

How can I say a developer is wrong about classifying their own game?

The same way I can say the Colorado Rockie's ownership was wrong when they said the 2007 Rockies were "God's team" and "a championship team".  They own it, shouldn't they know about their own team?

The rockies lost, and god doesn't give a rats arse about sports.  If I remember correctly, they also got swept in 4 straight games.  

They are wrong because why ? Because you said so ? Are you working in game development to say they are wrong and you are right? Why should anyone listen to you not them ?


"RTWP  
Real Time with Pause. An RTWP is a computer game genre in which action happens in real time, but the player has an option of pausing to issue additional commands that are executed once the game is unpaused. This mechanic is mostly used in RPG and strategy games." RTWP

Yes, you are right. RTWP is by definition , NOT an action RPG.... Wait what ????

[Dormiglione]

Dragon Age Origin -> true RPG - your choices matters - different allies at the final battle - even at the final battle different possibilities, self sacrifice, sacrifice a companion, fulfill morrigans wish and save everyone

Dragon Age 2 -> action adventure -> you follow a strict story line -> choices doesnt really matter

[AlanC9]

kcman5 wrote...
 No matter what label you want to put on it, any mystery, sport, auto, action or other game that has a story to it and is manipulated by the story character at it's core value, is still a RPG.. No matter how you slice, dice, convey, portray and label it.

So no matter what anyone else labels any of these games, you'll still label them RPGs?

Well, if you really want to do that I don't suppose the language police are going to come around and lock you up. But if the "RPG" category is that broad, what use is the category?

Modifié par AlanC9, 05 mai 2011 - 08:57 .