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[hoorayforicecream]

Darkhour wrote...

So these are armors they purposely decided to leave out? Think about it. As unfinished as DA2 is, Bioware is openly admitting that they did not make the retail version as complete as it could have been... on purpose. I'm aware that it would take much more than some new armor to fix DA2, but it's the priniciple of the matter. For good games like ME2, non-story DLC is stupid. For a less than stellar game like DA2... it's despictable.  I don't know what's worse: The DLC or the people who reward the DA2 team's duplicity by purchasing it.

Hey, I think your tin foil hat is slipping. You might think of it as "content purposely left out of the game", and you can keep thinking that for every bit of DLC ever, but that's really not the case. When a game is being developed, there's a schedule and a submission date, the last day to submit the game to Sony, Microsoft and/or Nintendo for approval to sell on their respective consoles. The Big 3 then take a month or two to test the game to make sure it meets all of their standards and requirements (no crashes, uses correct terminology, meets all requirements for XBL/PSN, etc.) .

If the developers can't get everything in by the submission date (which is typically a month or two before it hits the shelves), then they have to start cutting features. This happens to every project. The producers on the project try to cut as little as they can, but stuff gets cut simply because it won't fit into the schedule. Do you know what happened to all that content that didn't make it before DLC? It's rarely put into the sequel. Most of the time it's just trashed.

A lot of DLC is unfinished stuff that a handful of developers ended up working on in the one to two months while waiting for approval from the Big 3. DLC isn't free to develop. You still need to pay the developers working on it, and you have to pay Sony and Microsoft to approve it for PSN and XBL. You might just say "Well, only release it on the PC then", but when 80% of your customers are on the home console, that's a gross misallocation of resources.

When developers work on DLC, they aren't cackling diabolically into their piles of money, hookers and blow. They really don't think of their customers as suckers to be fleeced and squeezed for every last penny. The vast majority of them are gamers who want to make the best product possible. They are thinking "Cool, at least these armor models won't get wasted and somebody will get to enjoy them."

You might not enjoy them, but don't begrudge others their fun just because your tin foil hat is slipping.

[bleetman]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Oh, and the high resolution textures would already have been finished.

That's just what they want you to think.

[Maria Caliban]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

When developers work on DLC, they aren't cackling diabolically into their piles of money, hookers and blow.

All my dreams...

[Darkhour]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

So these are armors they purposely decided to leave out? Think about it. As unfinished as DA2 is, Bioware is openly admitting that they did not make the retail version as complete as it could have been... on purpose. I'm aware that it would take much more than some new armor to fix DA2, but it's the priniciple of the matter. For good games like ME2, non-story DLC is stupid. For a less than stellar game like DA2... it's despictable.  I don't know what's worse: The DLC or the people who reward the DA2 team's duplicity by purchasing it.

Hey, I think your tin foil hat is slipping. You might think of it as "content purposely left out of the game", and you can keep thinking that for every bit of DLC ever, but that's really not the case. When a game is being developed, there's a schedule and a submission date, the last day to submit the game to Sony, Microsoft and/or Nintendo for approval to sell on their respective consoles. The Big 3 then take a month or two to test the game to make sure it meets all of their standards and requirements (no crashes, uses correct terminology, meets all requirements for XBL/PSN, etc.) .

If the developers can't get everything in by the submission date (which is typically a month or two before it hits the shelves), then they have to start cutting features. This happens to every project. The producers on the project try to cut as little as they can, but stuff gets cut simply because it won't fit into the schedule. Do you know what happened to all that content that didn't make it before DLC? It's rarely put into the sequel. Most of the time it's just trashed.

A lot of DLC is unfinished stuff that a handful of developers ended up working on in the one to two months while waiting for approval from the Big 3. DLC isn't free to develop. You still need to pay the developers working on it, and you have to pay Sony and Microsoft to approve it for PSN and XBL. You might just say "Well, only release it on the PC then", but when 80% of your customers are on the home console, that's a gross misallocation of resources.

When developers work on DLC, they aren't cackling diabolically into their piles of money, hookers and blow. They really don't think of their customers as suckers to be fleeced and squeezed for every last penny. The vast majority of them are gamers who want to make the best product possible. They are thinking "Cool, at least these armor models won't get wasted and somebody will get to enjoy them."

You might not enjoy them, but don't begrudge others their fun just because your tin foil hat is slipping.

Dude, it armor... they probably through those together in one day. With all the time  saved on maps and armor models (seeing that many DA:O duplicates) I find it hard to beleve that any armor couldn't be implimented. But hey, the games already rushed and poorly implimented. What's one less suit of armor and weapons? And you get more money if people take the bait.

[Killjoy Cutter]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Hey, I think your tin foil hat is slipping. You might think of it as "content purposely left out of the game", and you can keep thinking that for every bit of DLC ever, but that's really not the case. When a game is being developed, there's a schedule and a submission date, the last day to submit the game to Sony, Microsoft and/or Nintendo for approval to sell on their respective consoles. The Big 3 then take a month or two to test the game to make sure it meets all of their

You know, it's kinda sad that Microsoft and Sony also approved DA2 given all the bugs and quirks.  Kinda shows where the bar is for that rubber stamp, doesn't it?

[Redneck1st]

I for one didn't have near the bugs and/or quirks that allot of you others claim to have/had. I'm still playing the game un-patched. I agree with what others are saying and believe that the game was rushed. The story just didn't get me and hold me like it did in DAO. IMO even the Awakenings DLC was over all better than that for which DA2 was. And when BW does decide to release a DLC for the game. I will not buy it right away. As I will wait this time and let others d/l and play it and than see what kind of feed back is in fact given about it.

What happened to the days when companies actually put out games with great stories that folks could enjoy for hours on end and multiple playthroughs like Baulders Gate, Neverwinter Nights, DAO to name a few? Have the companies gotten so big that all they are thinking about now is the almighty dollar?

Someone here prove me wrong on this here? BW? Luke?

[thepiebaker]

Redneck1st wrote...

I for one didn't have near the bugs and/or quirks that allot of you others claim to have/had. I'm still playing the game un-patched. I agree with what others are saying and believe that the game was rushed. The story just didn't get me and hold me like it did in DAO. IMO even the Awakenings DLC was over all better than that for which DA2 was. And when BW does decide to release a DLC for the game. I will not buy it right away. As I will wait this time and let others d/l and play it and than see what kind of feed back is in fact given about it.

What happened to the days when companies actually put out games with great stories that folks could enjoy for hours on end and multiple playthroughs like Baulders Gate, Neverwinter Nights, DAO to name a few? Have the companies gotten so big that all they are thinking about now is the almighty dollar?

Someone here prove me wrong on this here? BW? Luke?

i dont see why people are complaining about DA2. i have racked up more playthroughs on 2 than i did in orgins, you know why? because i fell asleep many times with the damn controller in my hand while playing orgins because the gameplay is just that tedious and repetative.i have yet to tire from DA2. the only time im going to play origins in the future is test out different mods. and quite frankly i felt the story of origins dull. in DA2 its a story about rising like phoenix from the ashes of a former way of life to become a hero then fighting for freedom and starting a global rebellion. origins you are a novie warrior from an exiled organization and you're doing a bunch of favors and sucking **** to get people to fight  behind you to kill a dragon. origins just seems cliche and not as important to thedas as the mage rebellion. as for the DLC its finally nice to get gear that levels up with you so when you're powerleveling there actually are weapons that dont turn into toothpicks other than the fadesheer and bianca.

[Velanna Dalish]

thepiebaker wrote...

Redneck1st wrote...

I for one didn't have near the bugs and/or quirks that allot of you others claim to have/had. I'm still playing the game un-patched. I agree with what others are saying and believe that the game was rushed. The story just didn't get me and hold me like it did in DAO. IMO even the Awakenings DLC was over all better than that for which DA2 was. And when BW does decide to release a DLC for the game. I will not buy it right away. As I will wait this time and let others d/l and play it and than see what kind of feed back is in fact given about it.

What happened to the days when companies actually put out games with great stories that folks could enjoy for hours on end and multiple playthroughs like Baulders Gate, Neverwinter Nights, DAO to name a few? Have the companies gotten so big that all they are thinking about now is the almighty dollar?

Someone here prove me wrong on this here? BW? Luke?

i dont see why people are complaining about DA2. i have racked up more playthroughs on 2 than i did in orgins, you know why? because i fell asleep many times with the damn controller in my hand while playing orgins because the gameplay is just that tedious and repetative.i have yet to tire from DA2. the only time im going to play origins in the future is test out different mods. and quite frankly i felt the story of origins dull. in DA2 its a story about rising like phoenix from the ashes of a former way of life to become a hero then fighting for freedom and starting a global rebellion. origins you are a novie warrior from an exiled organization and you're doing a bunch of favors and sucking **** to get people to fight  behind you to kill a dragon. origins just seems cliche and not as important to thedas as the mage rebellion. as for the DLC its finally nice to get gear that levels up with you so when you're powerleveling there actually are weapons that dont turn into toothpicks other than the fadesheer and bianca.

yeah the history of DAO is cliche but DA2 is more cliche than DAO and more borring and lineal...
And the main char of DAO isnt a novie. 3 options of diferent origins and no one is novie!!!
Hawke isnt a phoenix is a NOVIE =P a normal human with no power with no skills its a normal guy who kills "normals" monsters in his boring quests ZZzzzzz

[psrugger]

I never got pulled into Hawke's story, but DAO, as soon as I beat it, I couldn't wait to start it again. I have DAO ranked up "there" with NWN2 for me.

DA2 seemed like a half-ass rushed DA/ME combination. I do like some of the revamps they made to the combat, but I as well greatly miss the combat from DAO...the ability to buttom smash/spam was a kick to the balls then the teeth. But that's what happens when a company gets greedy and trys to "mainstream" something. If strat is not needed then why have a group??? And I actually like the spells in DAO FAR more than DA2...oh wow, look, they made spells/talents weaker than in DAO, but you can put points in them so they're almost as good as in DAO.

Bottom line for me, this was rushed flop of a game right up there with Force Unleashed 2, except I actually played through FU2 more than once.

Alright, time for my post to get flamed no doubt. Try to keep in mind that this is how I feel about the "game." Oh and something I'm reminded of back from my WoW days...

"Arguing over the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. You may win, but you're still..." Not going to bother finishing the quote due to how wrongfully used that word is.

[Redneck1st]

thepiebaker wrote...

Redneck1st wrote...

I for one didn't have near the bugs and/or quirks that allot of you others claim to have/had. I'm still playing the game un-patched. I agree with what others are saying and believe that the game was rushed. The story just didn't get me and hold me like it did in DAO. IMO even the Awakenings DLC was over all better than that for which DA2 was. And when BW does decide to release a DLC for the game. I will not buy it right away. As I will wait this time and let others d/l and play it and than see what kind of feed back is in fact given about it.

What happened to the days when companies actually put out games with great stories that folks could enjoy for hours on end and multiple playthroughs like Baulders Gate, Neverwinter Nights, DAO to name a few? Have the companies gotten so big that all they are thinking about now is the almighty dollar?

Someone here prove me wrong on this here? BW? Luke?

i dont see why people are complaining about DA2. i have racked up more playthroughs on 2 than i did in orgins, you know why? because i fell asleep many times with the damn controller in my hand while playing orgins because the gameplay is just that tedious and repetative.i have yet to tire from DA2. the only time im going to play origins in the future is test out different mods. and quite frankly i felt the story of origins dull. in DA2 its a story about rising like phoenix from the ashes of a former way of life to become a hero then fighting for freedom and starting a global rebellion. origins you are a novie warrior from an exiled organization and you're doing a bunch of favors and sucking **** to get people to fight  behind you to kill a dragon. origins just seems cliche and not as important to thedas as the mage rebellion. as for the DLC its finally nice to get gear that levels up with you so when you're powerleveling there actually are weapons that dont turn into toothpicks other than the fadesheer and bianca.

DA2 was to Linear for my taste. After all at least in DAO all the quests for which you did in fact do had you working towards a major goal; Stopping the Darkspawn invasion. True you had to do quests for different groups to gain their trust or what have you but it all tied together in the end. And as for the stuff you found while on quests was actually worth some gold or was truly useable when you found it. You didn't have to have say a 41 Strength and 41 constitution to use wield a sword.

Where as in DA2 you have both Orsino as well as for Meredeth whom turns against you no matter what you path you chose. Its like wtf is going on here? Try to help out someone and they turn on you? Talk about ungrateful. Also any of the decent stuff in DA2 isn't found til the very end where you have a very short span to use it. It's like what good is it to you than the game is about over? Most of the stuff for which you find in DA2 is worthless garbage barely worth a few silvers while the decent stuff is usually sold by merchants and cost a small fortune to purchase. I mean come on now to open up a high level chest and find an empty quiver and maybe a few silver? Or fighting a major enemy and getting nothing out of it? 

Also in DAO you had a choices for which you could make right from the start Whether or not you wanted to play a human, dwarf, or elf Noble or poor, etc. It even let you customize your character from the outset and not wait till you got to a certain place in the game. You could have a dual warrior that dual wielded which I and many others loved it wasn't restricted to just the rogue. You could change your parties armor and it wasn't set in stone with a few upgrades Which changed the way they looked.in the game. At least with the choices for which you had in DAO it changed the story line little bit and made replays allot more enjoyable.

Now I did like the fact that in DA 2 you didn't have to wait around for night to fall and the way for which they set up the spells and attributes. But over all DAO was much more enjoyable.

[Redneck1st]

@psrugger I couldn't agree with you more once I had finished DAO I was ready to run through it again with either one of the elf or dwarf choices. The Hawke story line just didn't grab me and hold me to the game like I was in DAO. As you can see from my post we are in fact thinking along the same lines when it comes to games. NWN and Bauder gate series loved them both and still play them from time to time.

@thepiebaker Now I spent the $5 for the DLC and will have to say that with the warrior equipment what evolved? One ring maybe? None of the armor or weapons evolve. except for that little axe for which you get in it and maybe the shield. WTF I'm not going out chopping wood here I'm killing monsters for crying out loud. And the armor isn't even complete sets just stuff for which was thrown together so that you can't get any sort of item set bonus. The two handed swords you cant equip runes. And you call this mockery of a DLC a great Item pack?

[DawgPoundx19]

I still can't play my game because you guys haven't fixed the glitch/bug that makes my character move in Slow Motion during combat! How about fixing your programing on the original content that we all bought before you try and get more money out of us!

[Redneck1st]

DawgPoundx19 wrote...

I still can't play my game because you guys haven't fixed the glitch/bug that makes my character move in Slow Motion during combat! How about fixing your programing on the original content that we all bought before you try and get more money out of us!

Will have to admit that this is the first time I've heard of this one here. Are you running a console or pc versions and if pc whats the make up of your system?

[mesmerizedish]

DawgPoundx19 wrote...

I still can't play my game because you guys haven't fixed the glitch/bug that makes my character move in Slow Motion during combat! How about fixing your programing on the original content that we all bought before you try and get more money out of us!

That bug is fixed.

[hoorayforicecream]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

DawgPoundx19 wrote...

I still can't play my game because you guys haven't fixed the glitch/bug that makes my character move in Slow Motion during combat! How about fixing your programing on the original content that we all bought before you try and get more money out of us!

That bug is fixed.

But the fix doesn't work retroactively (yet). That's probably why the guy is still mad.

[mesmerizedish]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

But the fix doesn't work retroactively (yet). That's probably why the guy is still mad.

[pcelitism]UMADBRO[/pcelitism]

In all seriousness, however, the retroactive fix is in 1.03 (1.02 on consoles), which is being worked on right now. By people who aren't artists. So, what the artists do with their time really has no bearing on the patch schedule.

[Killjoy Cutter]

And if someone really wants to play that particular save/version of Hawke right now, they can always research ye old savegame edit to fix it manually...

[nanasu]

:wub:Nobady can stop my step ,i will do it well ,believe me!
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[Nayt Navare]

TELL YOU WHAT, BIOWARE:

Let me get the Grey Warden armors, and I will buy Item Pack #2, and I'll even by this "pretty darn close to a lot of things we already have" set as a bonus for you.

[Redneck1st]

SE JN wrote...

TELL YOU WHAT, BIOWARE:

Let me get the Grey Warden armors, and I will buy Item Pack #2, and I'll even by this "pretty darn close to a lot of things we already have" set as a bonus for you.

You're talking of the one like that for which either Bethany or Carver are wearing if they join the Grey Wardens? I wouldn't mind them either. But come on now BW couldn't even give us a Warrior pack that matched to give us a set bonus or evolved.

[we02545]

skuid wrote...

Nice pack, but I think it's too expensive for a couple items.
160BW points for each individually and 240BW points for the three of them would be acceptable but 240BW points for each and 400BW points for the entire pack seems too much for me.
I think I'll wait for a story DLC.

[we02545]

You're talking of the one like that for which either Bethany or Carver are wearing if they join the Grey Wardens? I wouldn't mind them either. But come on now BW couldn't even give us a Warrior pack that matched to give us a set bonus or evolved

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[we02545]

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[Ashtorgrey]

Well w/O the ability to change hero armor most of the armor in the game was trash. But now thers a mod to fix that but still I'd like to change the hero's armor than just sell it all. Cmon BioWare you can do better. Not that you read these or pay attention to PC people anymore.

[Redneck1st]

Ashtorgrey wrote...

Well w/O the ability to change hero armor most of the armor in the game was trash. But now thers a mod to fix that but still I'd like to change the hero's armor than just sell it all. Cmon BioWare you can do better. Not that you read these or pay attention to PC people anymore.

I agree that most of the armor is in fact not all that good cept for the Champion armor and then you don't get that till the game is all but over. And what good does that there do us? On a scale of 1 to 10 I'll have to give this game a 4. I think I'll go and play DAO again. At least what you did there had some sort of impact over all.