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[AllBlackShepard]

I don't understand why people are complaining that Shepard is heterosexual. The game was designed a specific way, it's not like Bioware is discriminating; just let it be. 

However, the whole FemShep with Liara/Morinth/Samara and kelly is random. I think the guys at BIoware designed this so they could experiment with the whole alien based relationship, and demonstrate how the ME world is filled with aliens whose culture differ from ours.

That being said, I would like to see Shepard remain heterosexual, just like I would like to see him remain a white guy (and this is coming from a black person). 

It wouldn't make sense for Bioware to change the game's romance structure just for the sake of a gay relationship. 

But at the end of the day, It's Bioware's choice, and if they choose to do so with the game; I'll still be happy with them and play the game regardless. 

Sign if you support, if you don't; I will be more than happy to change my opinion if you can bring up a civil/logical case


This thread is not to bash,discriminate,insult,or harass homosexual's. Please, if you have something negative or offensive to say, shut up. Let's keep this thread on topic with ME, and not get involved with things that don't need involvement.

[AngelicMachinery]

JRBreason wrote...

I don't understand why people are complaining that Shepard is heterosexual. The game was designed a specific way, it's not like Bioware is discriminating; just let it be. 

However, the whole FemShep with Liara/Morinth/Samara and kelly is random. I think the guys at BIoware designed this so they could experiment with the whole alien based relationship, and demonstrate how the ME world is filled with aliens whose culture differ from ours.

That being said, I would like to see Shepard remain heterosexual, just like I would like to see him remain a white guy (and this is coming from a black person). 

It wouldn't make sense for Bioware to change the game's romance structure just for the sake of a gay relationship. 

But at the end of the day, It's Bioware's choice, and if they choose to do so with the game; I'll still be happy with them and play the game regardless. 

Sign if you support, if you don't; I will be more than happy to change my opinion if you can bring up a civil/logical case


This thread is not to bash,discriminate,insult,or harass homosexual's. Please, if you have something negative or offensive to say, shut up. Let's keep this thread on topic with ME, and not get involved with things that don't need involvement.

One of my Shepherds is a black woman,  is this messing with your reality?

[AllBlackShepard]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

JRBreason wrote...

I don't understand why people are complaining that Shepard is heterosexual. The game was designed a specific way, it's not like Bioware is discriminating; just let it be. 

However, the whole FemShep with Liara/Morinth/Samara and kelly is random. I think the guys at BIoware designed this so they could experiment with the whole alien based relationship, and demonstrate how the ME world is filled with aliens whose culture differ from ours.

That being said, I would like to see Shepard remain heterosexual, just like I would like to see him remain a white guy (and this is coming from a black person). 

It wouldn't make sense for Bioware to change the game's romance structure just for the sake of a gay relationship. 

But at the end of the day, It's Bioware's choice, and if they choose to do so with the game; I'll still be happy with them and play the game regardless. 

Sign if you support, if you don't; I will be more than happy to change my opinion if you can bring up a civil/logical case


This thread is not to bash,discriminate,insult,or harass homosexual's. Please, if you have something negative or offensive to say, shut up. Let's keep this thread on topic with ME, and not get involved with things that don't need involvement.

One of my Shepherds is a black woman,  is this messing with your reality?

My Shepard is a black guy, thats not the point. The cannon ME story would be the default white dude, who I'm assuming is heterosexual (If bioware finalizes it). 

That's like making a james bond game where you can change his skin color and make him fall for the evil bad guy instead of the tradtional sense of how the game was made 

Modifié par JRBreason, 26 avril 2011 - 06:59 .

[AngelicMachinery]

JRBreason wrote...

My Shepard is a black guy, thats not the point. The cannon ME story would be the default white dude, who I'm assuming is heterosexual (If bioware finalizes it). 

That's like making a james bond game where you can change his skin color and make him fall for the evil bad guy instead of the tradtional sense of how the game was made 
traditional

Shepherd doesn't quite have the same form of Cannon as James Bond, as James Bond was never costomizable and he wasn't born of an interactive medium.  Though,   a black James  bond wouldn't be impossible because each Incarnation of 007 isn't the same guy.

Hell,  I understand that the "Cannon" shep is a white straight guy,  but,  as the game is based on choice and costumization that doesn't mean that every Shep has to conform with your typical Shepherd.

Modifié par AngelicMachinery, 26 avril 2011 - 07:04 .

[didymos1120]

JRBreason wrote...

The cannon ME story would be the default white dude, who I'm assuming is heterosexual (If bioware finalizes it).

There is no canon Shepard, and they show no inclination to change that to any significant degree.  They've said this many times over now.

[Leonia]

There is no canon.

*waves hand all Jedi-like*

[Ryzaki]

There is no canon Shepard.

There is a *default* Shepard.

Important difference.

[AllBlackShepard]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

JRBreason wrote...

My Shepard is a black guy, thats not the point. The cannon ME story would be the default white dude, who I'm assuming is heterosexual (If bioware finalizes it). 

That's like making a james bond game where you can change his skin color and make him fall for the evil bad guy instead of the tradtional sense of how the game was made 
traditional

Shepherd doesn't quite have the same form of Cannon as James Bond, as James Bond was never costomizable and he wasn't born of an interactive medium.  Though,   a black James  bond wouldn't be impossible because each Incarnation of 007 isn't the same guy.

Hell,  I understand that the "Cannon" shep is a white straight guy,  but,  as the game is based on choice and costumization that doesn't mean that every Shep has to conform with your typical Shepherd.

It's not so much the literal aspect of the James bond/Commander Shep I'm trying to point out. 

If bioware is willing to put in a homosexual relationship for the sake of the gay community, why not make the game have a polygamy based relationship for the people who practice it?

and their are black british people....or at least mixed anyways, that would workout in the technical sense. But I enjoy seeing the bond we have now

[Abramis brama]

I agree with this and I'm happy that nothing about ME 3 indicates that Bioware is going to change Shepards sexuality.

[Skarwael]

I very much doubt Bioware would introduce gay options in the third and final game. Seems a bit late for them to change the romances now.

[Xeranx]

The movie is going to feature a white male Shepard. I think we can safely say that canon will be established as far as the masses will be concerned.

[ReallyRue]

As the others have said, there is no canon. Just because Sheploo's face is on the box, it doesn't mean that female Shepard, black Shepard, gay Shepard, or whatever other Shepard there is doesn't exist.

Besides, isn't Shepard supposed to be a custom character? He, or *she* is who you want them to be, not a pre-packaged character given to you by Bioware.

In any case, I have only two male Shepards. One is East Asian and gay. Just because the game won't let him get it on with any of the men doesn't mean I don't have a gay Shepard.

[Leonia]

Abramis brama wrote...

I agree with this and I'm happy that nothing about ME 3 indicates that Bioware is going to change Shepards sexuality.

Hard to change something that was never defined in the first place.

[Skarwael]

Xeranx wrote...

The movie is going to feature a white male Shepard. I think we can safely say that canon will be established as far as the masses will be concerned.

I thought the movie was anime and that it was going to be about the First Contact war?

[AllBlackShepard]

didymos1120 wrote...

JRBreason wrote...

The cannon ME story would be the default white dude, who I'm assuming is heterosexual (If bioware finalizes it).

There is no canon Shepard, and they show no inclination to change that to any significant degree.  They've said this many times over now.

Cannon shep is a reference I made regarding the cliché role that Bioware has to fulfill for the sake of the game. See the comment above elaborating my point. I'm too lazy to re-type it

[Saphara]

I didnt know the guy they use for Marketing purposes automatically makes him "Canon". Also, from just the game standpoint, the only reason people think he's hetero is because he cant hit on other guys. That doesnt mean he isnt gay. That would be like saying because i dont hit on men, Im a lesbian.

But honestly, I dont think they should impliment ANY new LI's into the last instalment of a trilogy. Might make it "cheaper' in comparison to those who have romances through 2-3 games.

[AngelicMachinery]

JRBreason wrote...

It's not so much the literal aspect of the James bond/Commander Shep I'm trying to point out. 

If bioware is willing to put in a homosexual relationship for the sake of the gay community, why not make the game have a polygamy based relationship for the people who practice it?

and their are black british people....or at least mixed anyways, that would workout in the technical sense. But I enjoy seeing the bond we have now

Than what were you trying to point out?  I'm still not really seeing it.

Using the polygamy argument against me isn't going to work,  I'd be up for Bioware introducing it into a game.  It might be fun creating complicated love polyhedrons.  So more power to bioware for furthering character interaction. 

That's neighter here nor there,  I prefer Connery myself just as I like my Lesbian Renegade Shephered while some may enjoy their Straight Male Paragon.

[AllBlackShepard]

ReallyRue wrote...

As the others have said, there is no canon. Just because Sheploo's face is on the box, it doesn't mean that female Shepard, black Shepard, gay Shepard, or whatever other Shepard there is doesn't exist.

Besides, isn't Shepard supposed to be a custom character? He, or *she* is who you want them to be, not a pre-packaged character given to you by Bioware.

In any case, I have only two male Shepard. One is East Asian and gay. Just because the game won't let him get it on with any of the men doesn't mean I don't have a gay Shepard.

In that case let's make him have a jewish accent and have a love interest in his pet hamster. Bioware has to follow a role for the sake of the game. A marine who is trying to save the earth, along with this, it includes choice for you to interact with. 

I can sit here all day and complain about the choices not being what I wan them to be, or I can be happy with them and play the game regardless. 

It's not the customization of the story, it's what steps are bioware going to take regarding the game itself.....and I prefer if they kept the way most epic's have been portrayed. With the typical heterosexual romance i.e star wars, star trek, avatar, terminator, transformers etc 

[Eudaemonium]

The main issue is that part of ME's pulling force is the ability to create your own Shepard and make various decisions which continue through the games. For example, default Shepard is a white Earthborn male whose unit died on Akuze (Sole Survivor). He also killed the Rachni Queen, shot Wrex, romanced Ashley and didn't save the Council, among other things.

Nonetheless, you Shepard can be Female, black, in a relationship with Liara, best buds with Wrex, and who saved the Rachni Queen and the Council, among other things. Shepard's sexuality is basically just one of the many choices players feel they should have been able to make. Shepard can already decide who to romance, and sleeping with a Quarian, Turian or Drell is far more extreme than sleeping with a human of the same biological sex. They are aliens, after all, regardless of whether they (appear to) fit into the neat gender binaries of male/female.

EDIT: Basically, if your female Shepard can choose to sleep with, say, Garrus or Thane, or your male Shepard with Tali, why shouldn't your male Shepard be able to be with, say, Jacob (or even Thane or Garrus), or your female Shepard with Miranda or Jack, or Tali. Tali might be a case-in-point, since her attitude to Shepard is basically akin to hero worship, and thus I see no real reason why it should alter depending on your gender, considering beign a different species is already a larger difference.

Modifié par Eudaemonium, 26 avril 2011 - 07:27 .

[Leonia]

My black, lesbian femshep hopes that the manSheps of the world will be able to get the same sort of respect for their sexual preferences.

[AllBlackShepard]

Saphara wrote...

I didn't know the guy they use for Marketing purposes automatically makes him "Canon". Also, from just the game standpoint, the only reason people think he's hetero is because he cant hit on other guys. That doesnt mean he isnt gay. That would be like saying because i dont hit on men, Im a lesbian.

But honestly, I dont think they should impliment ANY new LI's into the last instalment of a trilogy. Might make it "cheaper' in comparison to those who have romances through 2-3 games.

well....the choices the game gives in the dialogue wheel regarding shepard being gay cease to exist.....which leads me to beleive he is heterosexual. 

[Saphara]

JRBreason wrote...

ReallyRue wrote...

As the others have said, there is no canon. Just because Sheploo's face is on the box, it doesn't mean that female Shepard, black Shepard, gay Shepard, or whatever other Shepard there is doesn't exist.

Besides, isn't Shepard supposed to be a custom character? He, or *she* is who you want them to be, not a pre-packaged character given to you by Bioware.

In any case, I have only two male Shepard. One is East Asian and gay. Just because the game won't let him get it on with any of the men doesn't mean I don't have a gay Shepard.

In that case let's make him have a jewish accent and have a love interest in his pet hamster. Bioware has to follow a role for the sake of the game. A marine who is trying to save the earth, along with this, it includes choice for you to interact with. 

I can sit here all day and complain about the choices not being what I wan them to be, or I can be happy with them and play the game regardless. 

It's not the customization of the story, it's what steps are bioware going to take regarding the game itself.....and I prefer if they kept the way most epic's have been portrayed. With the typical heterosexual romance i.e star wars, star trek, avatar, terminator, transformers etc 

Then what is the point of an RPG if you cant roleplay because it's "set in stone"? Shepard DOES have a role. He is a marine trying to convince the Galazy the Reapers are coming and then save the Galaxy from said Reapers. Everything else is pretty much a choice.

[Polliot]

I understand what the OP is trying to say. Shepard's personality can vary,but there are some things that BioWare wanted for every Shepard - courage,strength,determination...heterosexuality.

Modifié par Polliot, 26 avril 2011 - 07:26 .

[Abramis brama]

leonia42 wrote...

Abramis brama wrote...

I agree with this and I'm happy that nothing about ME 3 indicates that Bioware is going to change Shepards sexuality.

Hard to change something that was never defined in the first place.

They removed the gay romances they already had voiced from the ME1 and 2. I think that makes it perfectly clear for anyone except the most vile pro-gay group here that he's heterosexual.

[Saphara]

JRBreason wrote...

Saphara wrote...

I didn't know the guy they use for Marketing purposes automatically makes him "Canon". Also, from just the game standpoint, the only reason people think he's hetero is because he cant hit on other guys. That doesnt mean he isnt gay. That would be like saying because i dont hit on men, Im a lesbian.

But honestly, I dont think they should impliment ANY new LI's into the last instalment of a trilogy. Might make it "cheaper' in comparison to those who have romances through 2-3 games.

well....the choices the game gives in the dialogue wheel regarding shepard being gay cease to exist.....which leads me to beleive he is heterosexual. 

The lack of something does not mean it does not exist. Think about it. Every year we are discovering new animal species here on Earth. Does that mean that because it is abscent IN OUR EYES that it does not exist?