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[Abramis brama]

mrsph wrote...

Abramis brama wrote...

More of a easter egg.

And yet it exists.

Even if you believe asari are not women, you have to admit a woman gyrating in a stripper outfit in front of another woman is...pretty gay.

Not really. Also saying that it is easter egg is probably wrong. More of a side track, some fun before the las mission. Doesn't make anyone gay.

centauri2002 wrote...

Abramis brama wrote...


No she isn't. Asari are not female.

I'll explain this simply for you. Asari are mono-gendered.

Mono = one.

One does not equal none.

They've been stated by BioWare as being all female.

Clear enough for you?

If  I remember correctly we have had this discussion.

TommyServo wrote...

Don't
bother. This guy was ridiculous about the same thing in the FFtL
thread. His response was basically "I reject your reality and substitute
my own."

Exactly.

Asaris only gender is Asari themselfs though.

Modifié par Abramis brama, 26 avril 2011 - 09:27 .

[Blacklash93]

ReconTeam wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...
It does involve work in Biowares part which in my opinion could be better used elsewhere. So it does effect me. Plus Bioware either has to add a gay character or suddenly someone turns bisexual. I am no fan of the "Shepard-sexual" concept for characters.

Bioware is always spending their resources in places where the fanbase wantes. It's fanservice. And what we want is no worse or better than what the Tali-mancers wanted years back. Or whatever specific content you may hope is in the game that would satisfy you personally. It's no different.

And peolpe can be bi, btw.

Well as people have indeed opposed some of the more crazy Talimancer demands (Tali wedding etc.) expect people, including myself, to oppose this idea. Indeed I don't get everything I want in game either. Bioware only has so much time to work with and I would rather see that effort be used on something else. Maybe you can mod something in.

That's perfectly reasonable. It doesn't appeal to you and you'd rather have Bioware focusing on other things. I have a few fanservice demands I oppose as well. I have to disagree, though.

None of our arguing will make a difference, at any rate.

[FKA_Servo]

JRBreason wrote...


In all honesty, I would never make a character like shepard gay. 

Their isn't one action hero that is gay. Why? because it's the traditional sense of how badass characters are designed. 

But for some reason the gay community thinks that a gay hero is just as equal as a straight hero. So in respect towards me not being able to prove against that (until a movie with a gay hero fails) I have to deal with it.

And that's a problem. Action movies are generally boring because they're all the same - they'd be a lot more interesting if they had a different lead once in a while.

ME is not an action movie. It's a roleplaying game with a customizable protagonist. Apples and oranges.

Modifié par TommyServo, 26 avril 2011 - 09:27 .

[ADLegend21]

mrsph wrote...

Abramis brama wrote...

More of a easter egg.

And yet it exists.

Even if you believe asari are not women, you have to admit a woman gyrating in a stripper outfit in front of another woman is...pretty gay.

This.

[ReallyRue]

JRBreason wrote...

In all honesty, I would never make a character like shepard gay. 

Their isn't one action hero that is gay. Why? because it's the traditional sense of how badass characters are designed. 

But for some reason the gay community thinks that a gay hero is just as equal as a straight hero. So in respect towards me not being able to prove against that (until a movie with a gay hero fails) I have to deal with it.

Does the same then apply for female badass heroes? They cannot be such because back in the day, people said heroes have to be white males? Perhaps I'll let my femShep know. She can pass the mantle of leadership to Kaiden and then take up knitting and making moon eyes at him.

[Blacklash93]

TommyServo wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

I'll explain this simply for you. Asari are mono-gendered.

Mono = one.

One does not equal none.

They've been stated by BioWare as being all female.

Clear enough for you?

Don't bother. This guy was ridiculous about the same thing in the FFtL thread. His response was basically "I reject your reality and substitute my own."

I could say the same thing about the other side and have a valid point.

Asari are called all-female multiple times. That's reality.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 26 avril 2011 - 09:27 .

[Eiliestl]

centauri2002 wrote...

JRBreason wrote...

In all honesty, I would never make a character like shepard gay. 

Their isn't one action hero that is gay. Why? because it's the traditional sense of how badass characters are designed. 

But for some reason the gay community thinks that a gay hero is just as equal as a straight hero. So in respect towards me not being able to prove against that (until a movie with a gay hero fails) I have to deal with it.

Ahem, I think you'll find there's been a number of lesbian or bisexual heroines. 

You are full of it. Name them..

[Omega-202]

Ryzaki wrote...

Having the option to say something =/= in being in character for a specific Shepard to say something. That makes no sense. Renegade Shepard and Paragon Shepard have different world views. (And in ME1 Renegade Shepard was a racist most of the time.) You're telling me the same person that goes "oh I'd love to learn more about your culture!" is the same as the person who goes "Ugh. Not interested." That the same person who coldly kills Wrex for his outburst on Virmire is the same person who lowers his weapon to calm Wrex down and s outraged when Ashley kills Wrex? Even though he can also thank her for doing so?

Sorry but that makes no sense to me. That makes Shepard schizo. I don't find Shepard to be schizo. 

Everything is in character for Shepard to say.  You have the option to say it, its in character.  

And I don't know where you're getting this idea of Shepard NOT being schizophrenic when it comes to dialogue.  By your definition Shepard absolutely is.  Even playing the most straight and narrow character choosing only the "top" or "bottom" answer to everything throught both games still gives you moments of absolutely illogical behavior.  

EX: No matter what you choose, you have NO option of killing Tela Vasir's hostage and taking a clear shot at Tela.  The "worst" you can do is shoot through her shoulder and allow Tela to charge away and fight you.  The "Renegade" option specifically SAVES the woman with no injuries.  This is the same Shepard who was fine with genocide.  

How about the condescending "jerk" attitude that you're forced to give to Rana Thanoptis no matter what you choose?  That's not in line with my "white knight" Shepard.  

Or how about the greater number of casualties that "Paragon" Shep sacrifices just to save the Destiny Ascension?  Truly in character, a Paragon would have chosen to save the maximum number of lives on the Alliance ships.  

Shepard is schizo then.  A lot of his/her choices don't fit with what you see as "in character".  The choices fit with BioWare's version of the character and how they want to portray him/her.  

[Abramis brama]

Blacklash93 wrote...

TommyServo wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

I'll explain this simply for you. Asari are mono-gendered.

Mono = one.

One does not equal none.

They've been stated by BioWare as being all female.

Clear enough for you?

Don't bother. This guy was ridiculous about the same thing in the FFtL thread. His response was basically "I reject your reality and substitute my own."

I could say the same thing about you and have a valid point.

<3

(no ******)

[AllBlackShepard]

centauri2002 wrote...

JRBreason wrote...

In all honesty, I would never make a character like shepard gay. 

Their isn't one action hero that is gay. Why? because it's the traditional sense of how badass characters are designed. 

But for some reason the gay community thinks that a gay hero is just as equal as a straight hero. So in respect towards me not being able to prove against that (until a movie with a gay hero fails) I have to deal with it.

Ahem, I think you'll find there's been a number of lesbian or bisexual heroines. 

seriously!? I'm not talking about heroes that are gay in a sarcastic sense. 

[Blacklash93]

Omega-202 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Having the option to say something =/= in being in character for a specific Shepard to say something. That makes no sense. Renegade Shepard and Paragon Shepard have different world views. (And in ME1 Renegade Shepard was a racist most of the time.) You're telling me the same person that goes "oh I'd love to learn more about your culture!" is the same as the person who goes "Ugh. Not interested." That the same person who coldly kills Wrex for his outburst on Virmire is the same person who lowers his weapon to calm Wrex down and s outraged when Ashley kills Wrex? Even though he can also thank her for doing so?

Sorry but that makes no sense to me. That makes Shepard schizo. I don't find Shepard to be schizo. 

Everything is in character for Shepard to say.  You have the option to say it, its in character.  

And I don't know where you're getting this idea of Shepard NOT being schizophrenic when it comes to dialogue.  By your definition Shepard absolutely is.  Even playing the most straight and narrow character choosing only the "top" or "bottom" answer to everything throught both games still gives you moments of absolutely illogical behavior.  

EX: No matter what you choose, you have NO option of killing Tela Vasir's hostage and taking a clear shot at Tela.  The "worst" you can do is shoot through her shoulder and allow Tela to charge away and fight you.  The "Renegade" option specifically SAVES the woman with no injuries.  This is the same Shepard who was fine with genocide.  

How about the condescending "jerk" attitude that you're forced to give to Rana Thanoptis no matter what you choose?  That's not in line with my "white knight" Shepard.  

Or how about the greater number of casualties that "Paragon" Shep sacrifices just to save the Destiny Ascension?  Truly in character, a Paragon would have chosen to save the maximum number of lives on the Alliance ships.

I'm not given a ton of choices in DA2 either, but Hawke can still be gay. There's no problem with it at all.

People can view Shepard however they please. There are dynamics in his basic personality already and sexuality isn't a far cry from that at all.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 26 avril 2011 - 09:32 .

[FKA_Servo]

Blacklash93 wrote...

I could say the same thing about the other side and have a valid point.

Asari are called all-female multiple times. That's reality.

I'm confused. I think we're on the same page.

In any event, Abramis was being deliberately obtuse. It's not something I make a habit of, but I'd like to see an example of it.

[Blacklash93]

TommyServo wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

I could say the same thing about the other side and have a valid point.

Asari are called all-female multiple times. That's reality.

I'm confused. I think we're on the same page.

In any event, Abramis was being deliberately obtuse. It's not something I make a habit of, but I'd like to see an example of it.

Codex. New species video on GI.

For starters.

[Ashira Shepard]

Abramis brama wrote...

No she isn't. Asari are not female.

Asari


Human Woman


Only differences; Asari are blue and don't have head hair. And they can kill you with their brain.

It's hilarious when this is brought up.

"FemShep isn't a lesbian! Asari aren't actually women! But Manshep is TOTALLY straight!"

Uh...wat?

[Centauri2002]

Eiliestl wrote...
You are full of it. Name them..

Unlike some people, I don't spout nonsense without being able to back it up.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer was actually bisexual, as revealed in "season 8" (which took place in the comics).

Xena: Warrior Princess was clearly bisexual and had a romance with her female co-star, Gabrielle.

Cara Mason from Legend of the Seeker.

The two protagonists from Fear Effect 2: Retro Helix, Hana and Rain, were involved in a lesbian relationship.

The current incarnation of Batwoman is a lesbian (and also her ex-lover The Question).

One of the Witchblade wielders was slated as a lesbian.

I can go on if you so wish. 

Modifié par centauri2002, 26 avril 2011 - 09:37 .

[Centauri2002]

JRBreason wrote...

seriously!? I'm not talking about heroes that are gay in a sarcastic sense. 

I didn't take your post as sarcastic, which is why I replied with what I did.

[Abramis brama]

AshiraShepard wrote...

Only differences; Asari are blue and don't have head hair. And they can kill you with their brain.

It's hilarious when this is brought up.

"FemShep isn't a lesbian! Asari aren't actually women! But Manshep is TOTALLY straight!"

Uh...wat?

There's not buts in this. Shepards not gay. Period.

centauri2002 wrote...

Xena: Warrior Princess was clearly bisexual and had a romance with her female co-star, Gabrielle.

Oh god, you are one of those people.

Modifié par Abramis brama, 26 avril 2011 - 09:39 .

[Centauri2002]

Abramis brama wrote...

Oh god, you are one of those people.

Those people? I'm not a fan of the show, I just know how to read an article. Lucy Lawless herself admitted to it. And they kissed in the series. Come on... get your head out of the sand.

Modifié par centauri2002, 26 avril 2011 - 09:40 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

I fail to see how what one could argue to be hot lesbian action is a justification for gay manshep.

[AllBlackShepard]

centauri2002 wrote...

Eiliestl wrote...
You are full of it. Name them..

Unlike some people, I don't spout nonsense without being able to back it up.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer was actually bisexual, as revealed in "season 8" (which took place in the comics).

Xena: Warrior Princess was clearly bisexual and had a romance with her female co-star, Gabrielle.

Cara Mason from Legend of the Seeker.

The two protagonists from Fear Effect 2: Retro Helix, Hana and Rain, were involved in a lesbian relationship.

The current incarnation of Batwoman is a lesbian (and also her ex-lover The Question).

One of the Witchblade wielders was slated as a lesbian.

I can go on if you so wish. 

Well......not trying to be a dick.....but these don't count. I'm talking about world recognized people, not people from low popularity tv shows that aren't in existent today. I could just be me though, but I never heard of the witch blade, fear effect, legend of the seeker, or xena; i didn't know batwoman or batgirl, was a lesbian. 

I'm talking a bigger scale here. Hand Solo, Spiderman, Batman, Superman, damn near every DC or Marvel character that's been on the big screen, any movie where arnold is in. Any action movie with bruce willis, or stallone. Captain Kirk, the dude from avatar, so on and so forth. 

[LiquidGrape]

centauri2002 wrote...

Eiliestl wrote...
You are full of it. Name them..

Unlike some people, I don't spout nonsense without being able to back it up.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer was actually bisexual, as revealed in "season 8" (which took place in the comics).

Xena: Warrior Princess was clearly bisexual and had a romance with her female co-star, Gabrielle.

Cara Mason from Legend of the Seeker.

The two protagonists from Fear Effect 2: Retro Helix, Hana and Rain, were involved in a lesbian relationship.

The current incarnation of Batwoman is a lesbian (and also her ex-lover The Question).

One of the Witchblade wielders was slated as a lesbian.

I can go on if you so wish. 

Phooey. Beat me to the punch.

I'd also like to add that Lou Leterrier, the director of the second Transporter film, has clearly stated that his intention was for Jason Statham's character to be gay.

If you watch the film, there is a lot of not-so-subtle subtext which confirms this.
But of course, following the financial success of Transporter 2, another director went on to have him smooch the girl in the sequel. As they do.
Still, it made the second film a lot more subversive.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 26 avril 2011 - 09:43 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Abramis brama wrote...

There's not buts in this. Shepards not gay. Period.

So why is Liara/Femshep not a lesbian relationship exactly?