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[Blacklash93]

Eiliestl wrote...

By playing the game .And does anybody in the game have to be gay?

They don't. But if Mass Effect wants to rightly pride itself as an RPG, it would allow him to be gay in the player's eyes.

And we must be playing different games, because I'm not seeing your former point. You're obviously uncomfortable with gays, so I suggest you leave and allow those who can discuss this with comments that stem from a little bit of reason to chat.

[Centauri2002]

Riddle me this: How does who you sleep with affect how well you can save the universe?

ETA: In before some smartarse mentions Morinth. 

Modifié par centauri2002, 26 avril 2011 - 09:57 .

[Blacklash93]

ReconTeam wrote...

AshiraShepard wrote...
*shrug* They can be action heroes just fine. It's just people freak the f*ck out when Beardy McCoolGuns rides off into the sunset with Johnny rather than Sally.

If I didn't know better I would swear you run that site from how often you link to it. People like heros they can relate to, I don't see the problem with expecing McCoolGuns to ride off with the hot babe. You watch McCoolGuns expecting that sort of thing.

There's nothing wrong with it going that other way, either.

[Omega-202]

Blacklash93 wrote...

And what makes you think that Shepard was never meant to have a gay option? What makes you think giving him one now would hurt character in any way? Shepard shows no romantic interest in anyone unless prompted. Nothing was hinted at in the first place.

There's no other reason than Bioware simply refusing to do it up to this point.

And what makes you think that Indiana Jones wasn't meant to be bisexual?  Just because Lucas  and Speilberg refused to ever include a male character who went up to Indy and slapped his ass doesn't mean he isn't bisexual.

I hope you're getting the hint here.  
 
Over enough time, the lack of evidence is the evidence of lack by the law of odds, ESPECIALLY in the context of written characters.  Written characters have purpose.

Its not even like the issue of Dumbledore being gay.  There were plenty of people who had suspected it based on what was in the books before Rowling came out and said that she'd written him as such without every saying it explicitly.  Male Shepard has no such evidence.  

Modifié par Omega-202, 26 avril 2011 - 10:00 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Blacklash93 wrote...
They don't. But if Mass Effect wants to rightly pride itself as an RPG, it would allow him to be gay in the player's eyes.

I would argue that more decisions in game regarding the plot is much more important to the game being a true RPG.

[LiquidGrape]

I'll just leave this and this here for good measure.

Also, there was that confirmation by a BioWare dev that ME1 was intended to feature LGBT relationships, but were never finalised due to time constraints.
Allow me to dig it up.

There is still a window of opportunity. Nothing is set in stone.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 26 avril 2011 - 10:03 .

[Blacklash93]

ReconTeam wrote...

I would argue that more decisions in game regarding the plot is much more important to the game being a true RPG.

The PC character is what makes or breaks it. If Shepard is not me, then I'm not role-playing.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 26 avril 2011 - 10:05 .

[Abramis brama]

centauri2002 wrote...

Abramis brama wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

Abramis brama wrote...

Because Asari are not female. It's alien relationship for both male and female Shepards.

So if Manshep likes Liara, he's not heterosexual.

No, he is a heterosexual that just happens to like that particular Asari.

And my Shepard is a lesbian who just so happens to love an asari. 

Shepards not gay though. You are playing it in denial. But it's okay, some people just love living in dream world when the world is so harsh place. Nothing wrong with that.

[Eiliestl]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Eiliestl wrote...

By playing the game .And does anybody in the game have to be gay?

They don't. But if Mass Effect wants to rightly pride itself as an RPG, it would allow him to be gay in the player's eyes.

And we must be playing different games, because I'm not seeing your former point. You're obviously uncomfortable with gays, so I suggest you leave and allow those who can discuss this with comments that stem from a little bit of reason to chat.

Oh yes I am very uncomfortable and disgusted with and arould gay people. But that's not why I'm here. So no I won't leave just yet.If thats ok with you Mayor of the forums.

Modifié par Eiliestl, 26 avril 2011 - 10:05 .

[Blacklash93]

Abramis brama wrote...

Shepards not gay though. You are playing it in denial. But it's okay, some people just love living in dream world when the world is so harsh place. Nothing wrong with that.

Read the codex. Asari ARE female.

[Ryzaki]

Eiliestl wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Eiliestl wrote...

By playing the game .And does anybody in the game have to be gay?

They don't. But if Mass Effect wants to rightly pride itself as an RPG, it would allow him to be gay in the player's eyes.

And we must be playing different games, because I'm not seeing your former point. You're obviously uncomfortable with gays, so I suggest you leave and allow those who can discuss this with comments that stem from a little bit of reason to chat.

Oh yes I am very uncomfortable and disgusted with and arould gay people. But that's not way I'm here. So no I won't leave just yet.If thats ok with you Mayor of the forums.

Aren't you the poster that got laughed out of the Anders fanthread when you started spewing homophobia and spamming pictures of Females with Anders going "this is real love"? 

[Centauri2002]

Abramis brama wrote...

Shepards not gay though. You are playing it in denial. But it's okay, some people just love living in dream world when the world is so harsh place. Nothing wrong with that.

Correction: Your Shepard's not gay. That's like saying my Shepard's not female just because you played MaleShep (yes, I know you said you played female. It's just an example). 

That's ironic considering you've admitted before you live in your own little Mass Effect world where the rules don't apply to you. So if you consider the dream world everything bar yours, then yes, I do.

[Ashira Shepard]

ReconTeam wrote...
If I didn't know better I would swear you run that site from how often you link to it. People like heros they can relate to, I don't see the problem with expecing McCoolGuns to ride off with the hot babe. You watch McCoolGuns expecting that sort of thing.

Hah, no I just really like it. It's amusing and kills time. Also helps with writing I do have two pages I made myself though.

I don't expect McCoolGuns to go with Johnny all the time It's just the second it happens a massive sh*tfit occurs that suddenly the straight male is being punished/neglected somehow. *cough*dragonage2*cough*

Abramis brama wrote...
No, he is a heterosexual that just happens to like that particular Asari.

[Fat Headed Wolf]

How the heck can a topic we've discussed Nth amount of times still reach 12 some pages in 3 hours?We pretty much know where everyone stands on it.

I'm sorry, but I just don't get it.

[Abramis brama]

Nyoka wrote...

Abramis brama wrote...

No, he is a heterosexual that just happens to like that particular Asari.

If he likes something other than the opposite sex (i.e., women), he's not heterosexual. Sorry.

Oh no I forgot: in your imaginary reality, you have a different, imaginary dictionary. Sorry about that.

Like it's been said so many times: Asari are attractive to everyone.
Liking one Alien doesn't make shepard any less heterosexual either.


Also everything in my world is well rooted in logic and reason.  I don't know about yours though.

[MACharlie1]

I'm surprised nobody brought up Kelly Chambers - not a full LI but evidently a woman whom Shepard can engage in a sexual relationship with - and there is no debate over if Kelly is a female or not.

And to the Asari, they are mono gendered to themselves. For all tense and purposes to humans and other species, they have female sexual characteristics therefore, they are female. If a female Shepard is attracted to an alien who has exclusively female traits, she is a bisexual/lesbian.

[LiquidGrape]

Oh, hello BioWare dev confirming that Kaidan was planned to be implemented as a LGBT character in the first game.

Furthermore, I frankly still can't see why they couldn't elaborate on him, or Ashley for that matter, in ME3. They have never been confirmed to swing solely on way or another, after all.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 26 avril 2011 - 10:12 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

*sigh* I can never get picture links to work.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 26 avril 2011 - 10:09 .

[Ryzaki]

Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

How the heck can a topic we've discussed Nth amount of times still reach 12 some pages in 3 hours?We pretty much know where everyone stands on it.

I'm sorry, but I just don't get it.

We're optimists I suppose. 

Either that or just bored. 

[Omega-202]

Blacklash93 wrote...

The PC character is what makes or breaks it. If Shepard is doing something and not me, then I'm not role-playing.

And my argument is that this carries throughout the enitirety of both games.  

You can't suck up to the Council.  Its just not allowed even though some would consider it a perfectly valid choice.
You can't defect from Cerberus in ME2.  Most people would have loved to.
You can't really be a jerk to Anderson.  I can totally understand when people complain about this.  The guy really isn't being a straight shooter with you a lot of the time and too often you're not allowed to call him out on it.
You're completely handcuffed in your dialogue choices on Horizon when confronted by Kaiden/Ashley.  
Your dialogue with Liara during and after LotSB is heavily out of your control.  

All of that and more is decided for you.  It just so happens that the sexuality of male Shepard is decided for you as well.  

[Centauri2002]

Ryzaki wrote...

Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

How the heck can a topic we've discussed Nth amount of times still reach 12 some pages in 3 hours?We pretty much know where everyone stands on it.

I'm sorry, but I just don't get it.

We're optimists I suppose. 

Either that or just bored. 

Or passionate.

Or masochistic.  One of those. 

[Inquisitor Recon]

Blacklash93 wrote...
The PC character is what makes or breaks it. If Shepard is not me, then I'm not role-playing.

I strongly disagree. I don't try to play as myself in any case. I'd rather have a stronger plot where the decisions have more of an effect.

[AllBlackShepard]

TommyServo wrote...

JRBreason wrote...


In all honesty, I would never make a character like shepard gay. 

Their isn't one action hero that is gay. Why? because it's the traditional sense of how badass characters are designed. 

But for some reason the gay community thinks that a gay hero is just as equal as a straight hero. So in respect towards me not being able to prove against that (until a movie with a gay hero fails) I have to deal with it.

And that's a problem. Action movies are generally boring because they're all the same - they'd be a lot more interesting if they had a different lead once in a while.

ME is not an action movie. It's a roleplaying game with a customizable protagonist. Apples and oranges.

The hell you talkin about!? ME is based off the typical sci-fi action adventure story. Just because it's a playable RPG game doesn't mean that it's not based off of previous films. The lead itself can vary, but your not going to see a gay hero. If you think that I'm being ignorant name 5 blockbusters which the hero is gay. If the public wanted to see a gay her so bad, some money crazed director would make one for the public