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[Fat Headed Wolf]

I think this thread is officially beyond-salvage. There's jokes mixed in with a lot of--

"Your a poopy-head!"

"No! Your a poopy-head!"

"I know you are but what am I?!"

"Oh yeah?! Well your mother is easy!"

"How dare you! My mother was a saint!"

"I don't think they make saints out of people who do what she does!"

"I KILL YOU!"

[Blacklash93]

Omega-202 wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

No, there's just no indication of it. That doesn't mean it can't exist.

If I go by your logic here, I'd say "That should change.".

And if you'd paid attention to what I've said, I wouldn't find it unreasonable to change it by adding a new character to act as a male love interest for MShep.  

Do I think its something that is in line with the established character of Shepard?  No.  Would I begrudge fans and say its unreasonable?  No.  If they write it well, fine add it.  

Just don't argue that the character of MShepard is ambiguous to this point.  He's not.  We've got 100% indication of heterosexual + xenosexual tendencies but ZERO indication of homosexual tendencies, DESPITE having plenty of opportunities presented by the writers and designers of the game.  

I did pay attention, I was arguing another point.

Again, just because there were no indicationa of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Bioware will always be catering to hetero players and that's a fact of life. Bioware was too busy doing that to pay attention to the gay crowd. Not showing it doesn't have to be intentional, but merely a product of time and resources. Shepard coming out as gay in ME3 wouldn't contradict anything. There's nothing supporting it, but there's also nothing holding it back.

[Centauri2002]

Sinnerous wrote...


But that's kinda reality, the girl was attracted to a guy. Kinda like how we were made to be here today. I just don't think Shepard should be gay, he'll lose all his masculinity and "coolness". Not to say gay people aren't cool, but it doesn't work for a guy trying to save the world.

Reality? Uh, no. I'm not attracted to men. Unless you're saying I'm not real! 

[Pups_of_war_76]

Sinnerous wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Sinnerous wrote...

Doesn't DA2 have the option to be gay? I think that's good enough from BioWare. Leave Shepard straight. I rather not see an option when talking to Jacob.. "Ooh.. Jacob". That would just be weird.

I'd rather my Femmeshep didn't use a flirty voice when talking to anyone with a bulge.

But that's kinda reality, the girl was attracted to a guy. Kinda like how we were made to be here today. I just don't think Shepard should be gay, he'll lose all his masculinity and "coolness". Not to say gay people aren't cool, but it doesn't work for a guy trying to save the world.

Can you expound on that?

[Saeran]

Eiliestl wrote...

Saeran's can't take the heat.

I can definately take the heat, just because you have such a narrow minded world view doesn't mean the rest of us do. Stop coming in to these threads and spouting your homophobic bull****. It does nothing more than prove me right in my convictions when I want to participate in the story that everyone else gets to participate in.

[Eiliestl]

AshiraShepard wrote...

Sinnerous wrote...
But that's kinda reality, the girl was attracted to a guy. Kinda like how we were made to be here today. I just don't think Shepard should be gay, he'll lose all his masculinity and "coolness". Not to say gay people aren't cool, but it doesn't work for a guy trying to save the world.

What?

I'm a girl, I like girls. Just because I don't have dangly bits doesn't mean I talk to ever guy I come across like I want to drag them in a closet and raep them, since that's the kind of voice Femshep uses when talking to Jacob. Ew..just...ew.

Keep some things for yourself.

[Arken]

This thread is a bit wild isn't it?

Modifié par Arken, 26 avril 2011 - 10:42 .

[LiquidGrape]

Sinnerous wrote...

 I just don't think Shepard should be gay, he'll lose all his masculinity and "coolness". Not to say gay people aren't cool, but it doesn't work for a guy trying to save the world.

Lieutenant Daniel Choi.
Infantry officer in the 10th Mountain Division, apparently "the only division-sized element of the US Army to specialize in fighting under harsh terrain and weather conditions."
Deployed in Iraq in 2006-2007.

Discharged because he admitted to being homosexual.

I don't agree with war. But I can recognise when individuals risk their lives for something they believe in. Regardless of their sexuality.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 26 avril 2011 - 10:41 .

[Blacklash93]

ReconTeam wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...
And why here?

I didn't say it should be here in this topic, although clearly some are taking it in that direction.

No. You said that ME gay relationships should be left to fanfiction. At least that's how I interpreted it.

[Sinnerous]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Sinnerous wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Sinnerous wrote...

Doesn't DA2 have the option to be gay? I think that's good enough from BioWare. Leave Shepard straight. I rather not see an option when talking to Jacob.. "Ooh.. Jacob". That would just be weird.

I'd rather my Femmeshep didn't use a flirty voice when talking to anyone with a bulge.

But that's kinda reality, the girl was attracted to a guy. Kinda like how we were made to be here today. I just don't think Shepard should be gay, he'll lose all his masculinity and "coolness". Not to say gay people aren't cool, but it doesn't work for a guy trying to save the world.

But,  My Shepherd only has interest in women,  there should be no reason I should be flirting whatsoever.  What your asking for is not being forced to look at a single option while I'm having heterosexuality rammed down my throat.  

Maybe we should realize this is just a video game, and most games have a plot and a storyline to follow through. So to go through you either pick a relationship or not, and in the Military. Not sure if it's the same in 2183 but Gay in the Army doesn't work. Perhaps that's why? As for F Shepard, I never really paid attention to it because "Import" Shepard or "Cannon" Shepard is the one I don't want the orientation change. Female Shepard? Sure. Years ago no one has had the option to vote for a gay character, some would feel people are taking advantage now.

Modifié par Sinnerous, 26 avril 2011 - 10:42 .

[Targy90]

When 2 threads about the same topic aren't enough.... make a third one, ignore everything you might have learned from the previous threads and flame away.

[Saphara]

Arken wrote...

Saphara wrote...

If the Alliance millitary is anything like the U.S millitary, a DADT-like rule probably prevents such options from occuring for risk of expulsion.

I hate to double post, but I can't copy. Wasn't that repealed, and currently being removed forever?

yes, with bumps along the way. But considering the game was made before this happened, and assuming that said law hasnt been repealed in the ME universe, it would explain the lack of options.

[Centauri2002]

Sinnerous wrote...

Maybe we should realize this is just a video game, and most games have a plot and a storyline to follow through. So to go through you either pick a relationship or not, and in the Military. Not sure if it's the same in 2183 but Gay in the Army doesn't work. Perhaps that's why? As for F Shepard, I never really paid attention to it because "Import" Shepard or "Cannon" Shepard is the one I don't want the orientation game. Female Shepard? Sure.

I don't know about your military, but ours has had gays openly serving for some time. And we're doing fine, thank you very much.

[AngelicMachinery]

Arken wrote...

Saphara wrote...

If the Alliance millitary is anything like the U.S millitary, a DADT-like rule probably prevents such options from occuring for risk of expulsion.

I hate to double post, but I can't copy. Wasn't that repealed, and currently being removed forever?

It is on the way out,  I'm absolutely elated,  the military will remain a bigoted hell hole but I might even look into joining now.

[Omega-202]

Saphara wrote...

If the Alliance millitary is anything like the U.S millitary, a DADT-like rule probably prevents such options from occuring for risk of expulsion.

A) You mean like the strict rules for expulsion that apply to sexual relationships between commanding officers and their subordinates of the opposite sex?  There are plenty of scandals, reprimands and expulsions that occur with heterosexual relationships that mirror what Shepard and Ashley were doing.  

Both would have been just as taboo and dangerous for their military careers.

Shepard was no longer under Alliance command.  He was a Spectre.  Admiral Hackett and Anderson both say that multiple times.  The same military laws didn't apply.  Shepard was free to do whatever or whoever he wanted as long as he didn't feel it was going to jeopardize the mission.  

There's NO reason Shepard couldn't have chased Kaiden, Joker or Pressley for that matter.  He simply didn't.  

[Sinnerous]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Sinnerous wrote...

 I just don't think Shepard should be gay, he'll lose all his masculinity and "coolness". Not to say gay people aren't cool, but it doesn't work for a guy trying to save the world.

Lieutenant Daniel Choi.
Infantry officer in the 10th Mountain Division, apparently "the only division-sized element of the US Army to specialize in fighting under harsh terrain and weather conditions."
Deployed in Iraq in 2006-2007.

Discharged because he admitted to being homosexual.

I don't agree with war. But I can recognise when individuals risk their lives for something they believe in. Regardless of their sexuality.

I don't see a point where we an disagree here. If they want to serve and protect. They should have the choice without having to live a different life.

[Blacklash93]

Sinnerous wrote...

Maybe we should realize this is just a video game, and most games have a plot and a storyline to follow through. So to go through you either pick a relationship or not, and in the Military. Not sure if it's the same in 2183 but Gay in the Army doesn't work.

Gay in the military does work. It's worked for ages.

And bringing fraternization into the argument really doesn't work. Shepard can completely disregard that rule in ME1.

[Saphara]

Sinnerous wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Sinnerous wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Sinnerous wrote...

Doesn't DA2 have the option to be gay? I think that's good enough from BioWare. Leave Shepard straight. I rather not see an option when talking to Jacob.. "Ooh.. Jacob". That would just be weird.

I'd rather my Femmeshep didn't use a flirty voice when talking to anyone with a bulge.

But that's kinda reality, the girl was attracted to a guy. Kinda like how we were made to be here today. I just don't think Shepard should be gay, he'll lose all his masculinity and "coolness". Not to say gay people aren't cool, but it doesn't work for a guy trying to save the world.

But,  My Shepherd only has interest in women,  there should be no reason I should be flirting whatsoever.  What your asking for is not being forced to look at a single option while I'm having heterosexuality rammed down my throat.  

Maybe we should realize this is just a video game, and most games have a plot and a storyline to follow through. So to go through you either pick a relationship or not, and in the Military. Not sure if it's the same in 2183 but Gay in the Army doesn't work. Perhaps that's why? As for F Shepard, I never really paid attention to it because "Import" Shepard or "Cannon" Shepard is the one I don't want the orientation change. Female Shepard? Sure. Years ago no one has had the option to vote for a gay character, some would feel people are taking advantage now.

Gay in the blasted army doesnt WORK? I'd like you to say that to my army friends who were perfectly fine with the gay people they worked with but who couldnt live openly due to DADT.

[Ashira Shepard]

Eiliestl wrote...
Keep some things for yourself.

And there's the problem. Right there.

"Get back in the closet you freak! I need not see your terrible habits!"

Because my liking girls is such a horrific and traumatic threat to your entire existence and way of life. Of course, my affection and love of other's like me is something to be killed with fire, even though I have never once hurt another living being. I have never entertained the idea of causing physical harm to another; I have simply existed.

Yet you would have me stifled?

You fail to realize that this can go both ways, I am deeply unsettled by the thought of being with a man, it makes me feel unclean, probably how you feel about the whole thing too. But I don't, even in the slightest, want to restrict someone elses freedom of choice. Some women like men, some men like women etc. They want to choose that in a game, fine.

I merely want what's fair.

"I get sick of listening to straight people complain about, "Well, hey, we don't have a heterosexual-pride day, why do you need a gay-pride day?" I remember when I was a kid I'd always ask my mom:  "Why don't we have a Kid's Day?  We have a Mother's Day and a Father's Day, but why don't we have a Kid's Day?"  My mom would always say, "Every day is Kid's Day." To all those heterosexuals that **** about gay pride, I say the same thing:  Every day is heterosexual-pride day!  Can't you people enjoy your banquet and not ****** on those of us enjoying our crumbs over here in the corner?  ~Rob Nash"

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 26 avril 2011 - 10:48 .

[Sinnerous]

Saphara wrote...

Sinnerous wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Sinnerous wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Sinnerous wrote...

Doesn't DA2 have the option to be gay? I think that's good enough from BioWare. Leave Shepard straight. I rather not see an option when talking to Jacob.. "Ooh.. Jacob". That would just be weird.

I'd rather my Femmeshep didn't use a flirty voice when talking to anyone with a bulge.

But that's kinda reality, the girl was attracted to a guy. Kinda like how we were made to be here today. I just don't think Shepard should be gay, he'll lose all his masculinity and "coolness". Not to say gay people aren't cool, but it doesn't work for a guy trying to save the world.

But,  My Shepherd only has interest in women,  there should be no reason I should be flirting whatsoever.  What your asking for is not being forced to look at a single option while I'm having heterosexuality rammed down my throat.  

Maybe we should realize this is just a video game, and most games have a plot and a storyline to follow through. So to go through you either pick a relationship or not, and in the Military. Not sure if it's the same in 2183 but Gay in the Army doesn't work. Perhaps that's why? As for F Shepard, I never really paid attention to it because "Import" Shepard or "Cannon" Shepard is the one I don't want the orientation change. Female Shepard? Sure. Years ago no one has had the option to vote for a gay character, some would feel people are taking advantage now.

Gay in the blasted army doesnt WORK? I'd like you to say that to my army friends who were perfectly fine with the gay people they worked with but who couldnt live openly due to DADT.

I didn't mean they could physically do it or something in that sense. I meant as in DADT they wouldn't openly be able to do so.

[Saeran]

Sinnerous wrote...
Maybe we should realize this is just a video game, and most games have a plot and a storyline to follow through. So to go through you either pick a relationship or not, and in the Military. Not sure if it's the same in 2183 but Gay in the Army doesn't work. Perhaps that's why?

Gay in the military doesn't work? The Sacred Band of Thebes disagrees my friend.

[Targy90]

Sinnerous wrote...

Saphara wrote...

Sinnerous wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Sinnerous wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Sinnerous wrote...

Doesn't DA2 have the option to be gay? I think that's good enough from BioWare. Leave Shepard straight. I rather not see an option when talking to Jacob.. "Ooh.. Jacob". That would just be weird.

I'd rather my Femmeshep didn't use a flirty voice when talking to anyone with a bulge.

But that's kinda reality, the girl was attracted to a guy. Kinda like how we were made to be here today. I just don't think Shepard should be gay, he'll lose all his masculinity and "coolness". Not to say gay people aren't cool, but it doesn't work for a guy trying to save the world.

But,  My Shepherd only has interest in women,  there should be no reason I should be flirting whatsoever.  What your asking for is not being forced to look at a single option while I'm having heterosexuality rammed down my throat.  

Maybe we should realize this is just a video game, and most games have a plot and a storyline to follow through. So to go through you either pick a relationship or not, and in the Military. Not sure if it's the same in 2183 but Gay in the Army doesn't work. Perhaps that's why? As for F Shepard, I never really paid attention to it because "Import" Shepard or "Cannon" Shepard is the one I don't want the orientation change. Female Shepard? Sure. Years ago no one has had the option to vote for a gay character, some would feel people are taking advantage now.

Gay in the blasted army doesnt WORK? I'd like you to say that to my army friends who were perfectly fine with the gay people they worked with but who couldnt live openly due to DADT.

I didn't mean they could physically do it or something in that sense. I meant as in DADT they wouldn't openly be able to do so.

Oh look a quote pyramid!

[Stanley Woo]

Hostility, quote pyramids, off-topic bickering, real-world discussions mixed in. That's enough to get this thread locked.

End of line.

[Saphara]

Sinnerous wrote...

I didn't mean they could physically do it or something in that sense. I meant as in DADT they wouldn't openly be able to do so.

Yes, because it is based on stupid stereotypes and preconcieved notions and phobias. Im glad it is going away.  This still means that several "heros" could possibly be gay, and kind of blasts the whole "gay heroes arn't something we'd see" apart.