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Tirigon wrote...
BioWare clearly stated that there is no Canon Shepard.
That means, there´s no reason that he remains hetero either.
JRBreason wrote...
AngelicMachinery wrote...
JRBreason wrote...
Ok, I respectfully disagree with you though. I get your point on the whole freedom with game.
To avoid an entirely different argument on it's own, I think you and me are just going to differ on the fundamentals of how the game should be designed. You would enjoy seeing bioware give the player full control on how they act on relationships.
My problem is how is this going to tie into the game itself. If Bioware gives the player whatever choices they want such as relationship status as you described. They should allow players who want to fall in love with their animals as well, in which case you'd be seeing forums saying Bioware needs to have relationships regarding relationships with their animals.
I just think it would be easier if bioware kept it they way they initially made it.
If you don't believe characters should be able to stray from the default shepherd why are we given the oppurtunity to make choices that Default Shepherd hadn't? I mean, if that's what Bioware prefered why don't we just have a game on rails like any JRPG on the Market?
Yes, because Polygamy and homosexuality equal bestiality, the comparison is absolutely insulting to everyone involved.
So the question isn't whether or not the game is scripted.....which it is.....but that if we can't get the choices we wan't we should complain to bioware that their not making the game accessible to people like you who want more options.
The game has a limit to what choices the player can make. I love the fact that it is an RPG, and you do have choices to make.
My point is, is Bioware seriously going to change the game because people want to see something (gay romance) and are willing to complain about it.
If so, then the same thing should apply to people who want more choices like a romance between humans and hamsters.
And I'm not comparing polygamy and homosexuality. I'm comparing the love interest that people have with the same sex, multiple partners, or their animals.
You can't say that you or somebody you know loves somebody or something more than another person. If somebody loves their hamster as much as a man loves another man, it should be left at that.
Saphara wrote...
Abramis brama wrote...
leonia42 wrote...
Abramis brama wrote...
I agree with this and I'm happy that nothing about ME 3 indicates that Bioware is going to change Shepards sexuality.
Hard to change something that was never defined in the first place.
They removed the gay romances they already had voiced from the ME1 and 2. I think that makes it perfectly clear for anyone except the most vile pro-gay group here that he's heterosexual.
One could also argue that because they even bothered making it, that they did want him/her to be able to be gay. Why they cut it, we'll never know. If they had wanted him/her to be solely heterosexual, they wouldnt have made that content in the first place due to waste of resources!
Saphara wrote...
AdmiralCheez wrote...
IF I CAN LOVE A GIRL WITH CHICKEN LEGS, I CAN LOVE ANOTHER MAN
Careful. The guy is going to come back with a beastiality comment because you said the girl had the legs of a chicken!
leonia42 wrote...
I don't see how adding an optional gay romance is significantly changing the game.
Also, I'm a xenophile. Does that mean I like animals too? Just want to be sure of where I stand in the OP's eyes..
JRBreason wrote...
My point is, is Bioware seriously going to change the game because people want to see something (gay romance) and are willing to complain about it.
Only one xenophile? That is rather impressive. Most of my Shepards (regardless of gender and whatever) ends up like that.AdmiralCheez wrote...
Add in my white lesbian FemShepMesina2 wrote...
jellobell wrote...
My Bisexual Femshep concurs.leonia42 wrote...
My black, lesbian femshep hopes that the manSheps of the world will be able to get the same sort of respect for their sexual preferences.
I guess my straight black FemShep loyal to Kaidan too.
And my black Renegon ManShep.
My Latino pure Paragon ManShep.
My Spanish FemShep.
And my Russian lesbian FemShep.
And my straight white DudeShep
And my Polynesian DudeShep
And my Greek bisexual FemShep
And my gay Dudeshep
And that one crazy xenophile I have running around.
IF I CAN LOVE A GIRL WITH CHICKEN LEGS, I CAN LOVE ANOTHER MAN
LiquidGrape wrote...
JRBreason wrote...
Just now as in today? well then yes, explain to me the problem "we" . are going to have rather than just saying one is taking place. Because I think you and I thinking of two different things regarding that comparison.
I simply want to know whether you were referring to platonic love for a pet (which resonates with us on an innate level regardless, so it's a severely flawed argument anyway) or if you really jumped the shark and made the "slippery slope" comparison of bi/homosexuality to bestiality.
Abramis brama wrote...
Saphara wrote...
Abramis brama wrote...
leonia42 wrote...
Abramis brama wrote...
I agree with this and I'm happy that nothing about ME 3 indicates that Bioware is going to change Shepards sexuality.
Hard to change something that was never defined in the first place.
They removed the gay romances they already had voiced from the ME1 and 2. I think that makes it perfectly clear for anyone except the most vile pro-gay group here that he's heterosexual.
One could also argue that because they even bothered making it, that they did want him/her to be able to be gay. Why they cut it, we'll never know. If they had wanted him/her to be solely heterosexual, they wouldnt have made that content in the first place due to waste of resources!
They probably didn't know at the that time of the project if Shepard's going to be bi or not. So they just gave order for the VA department to do both. They just didn't use the gay dialog when they knew that Shep is straight.
Modifié par ReallyRue, 26 avril 2011 - 07:50 .
Well, technically, the lesbian slept with Liara, so maybe she's a bit of a xenophile...lovgreno wrote...
Only one xenophile? That is rather impressive. Most of my Shepards (regardless of gender and whatever) ends up like that.
suprhomre wrote...
I totally agree with this. It was so annoying with DAO that all men (Zevrann) somehow starts to flirt you, even if you just like them as a bro. The image of Shep and Jacob is nightmare stuff.
JRBreason wrote...
Do you think it would be wrong for people to start a forum about how Shepard should have a romantic relationship with his pet hamster....(hypothetical)
If you say yes, why is it ok for gay people to want a relationship with the same sex.
It's not the legitimate relationship, but the fact that somebody can love a hamster just as much as somebody can love another man.
Therefore how can you satisfy all of players needs regarding the choices they want to make. If somebody wants a homosexual relationship, somebody is going to want to play as the bad guy (because ME is designed for the player to make his own choices). But bioware can't do that, because the in fact are following a scripted traditional story.
suprhomre wrote...
I totally agree with this. It was so annoying with DAO that all men (Zevrann) somehow starts to flirt you, even if you just like them as a bro. The image of Shep and Jacob is nightmare stuff.
Ah ****, go to hell with that ****didymos1120 wrote...
suprhomre wrote...
I totally agree with this. It was so annoying with DAO that all men (Zevrann) somehow starts to flirt you, even if you just like them as a bro. The image of Shep and Jacob is nightmare stuff.
Welcome to your nightmare.
Modifié par PnXMarcin1PL, 26 avril 2011 - 07:51 .
It doesn't matter how straight you are, watching this will inevitably make you gay.didymos1120 wrote...
suprhomre wrote...
I totally agree with this. It was so annoying with DAO that all men (Zevrann) somehow starts to flirt you, even if you just like them as a bro. The image of Shep and Jacob is nightmare stuff.
Welcome to your nightmare.
*takes a deep breath* Because it's not the same thing. Seriously, dude, comparing homosexuality to beastiality is very very offensive. One is a sexual orientation, a facet of who someone is, and a legitimate thing to roleplay a character as. It just doesn't compare. At all.JRBreason wrote...
Do you think it would be wrong for people to start a forum about how Shepard should have a romantic relationship with his pet hamster....(hypothetical)
If you say yes, why is it ok for gay people to want a relationship with the same sex.
It's not the legitimate relationship, but the fact that somebody can love a hamster just as much as somebody can love another man.
Modifié par jellobell, 26 avril 2011 - 07:52 .
Saphara wrote...
JRBreason wrote...
AngelicMachinery wrote...
JRBreason wrote...
Ok, I respectfully disagree with you though. I get your point on the whole freedom with game.
To avoid an entirely different argument on it's own, I think you and me are just going to differ on the fundamentals of how the game should be designed. You would enjoy seeing bioware give the player full control on how they act on relationships.
My problem is how is this going to tie into the game itself. If Bioware gives the player whatever choices they want such as relationship status as you described. They should allow players who want to fall in love with their animals as well, in which case you'd be seeing forums saying Bioware needs to have relationships regarding relationships with their animals.
I just think it would be easier if bioware kept it they way they initially made it.
If you don't believe characters should be able to stray from the default shepherd why are we given the oppurtunity to make choices that Default Shepherd hadn't? I mean, if that's what Bioware prefered why don't we just have a game on rails like any JRPG on the Market?
Yes, because Polygamy and homosexuality equal bestiality, the comparison is absolutely insulting to everyone involved.
So the question isn't whether or not the game is scripted.....which it is.....but that if we can't get the choices we wan't we should complain to bioware that their not making the game accessible to people like you who want more options.
The game has a limit to what choices the player can make. I love the fact that it is an RPG, and you do have choices to make.
My point is, is Bioware seriously going to change the game because people want to see something (gay romance) and are willing to complain about it.
If so, then the same thing should apply to people who want more choices like a romance between humans and hamsters.
And I'm not comparing polygamy and homosexuality. I'm comparing the love interest that people have with the same sex, multiple partners, or their animals.
You can't say that you or somebody you know loves somebody or something more than another person. If somebody loves their hamster as much as a man loves another man, it should be left at that.
Since when was optional content a "serious change"? It's not changing his sexuality. It's adding an OPTION to the game. Sexuality in no way, shape, or form adds anything truely significant to the game that adding another option would ruin it.
Stop hyperbolizing.
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