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[Abramis brama]

Saphara wrote...

Abramis brama wrote...

They probably didn't know at the that time of the project if Shepard's going to be bi or not. So they just gave order for the VA department to do both. They just didn't use the gay dialog when they knew that Shep is straight.

See, this is all guesswork. Unless you actually worked there and thus actually knew the reason they cut it, you cant say they cut it to make Shepard hetero. Generally, when you know what sexuality you want to make your characters, you dont create extra conent for the other side then cut it. It's a waste of resources.

It's just the most logical answer to your question. You know making the extra dialog for gay romances isn't really waste of resources. It's called good planning. It's a simple thing of just recording one line again. If they have nailed it once, doing it again with just simple chainges doesnt make any difference. It doesn't take much time.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Therapy for those who has just seen that gay movie posted above.

http://static.thehol...ay-nude-pic.jpg

[Leonia]

Dude, drop the animal sex comparison.

[didymos1120]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Ah ****, go to hell with that ****

Oh, you poor delicate flower you (who clicked on and watched it anyway).

[AdmiralCheez]

If this guy compares a stable and loving relationship between two people of the same sex to goat-f*cking one more time I will set fire to three churches and an orphanage.

Think of the orphans, OP! No legitimate cause nor trolling attempt is worth dead orphans!

[AngelicMachinery]

JRBreason wrote...

So the question isn't whether or not the game is scripted.....which it is.....but that if we can't get the choices we wan't we should complain to bioware that their not making the game accessible to people like you who want more options. 

The game has a limit to what choices the player can make. I love the fact that it is an RPG, and you do have choices to make. 

My point is, is Bioware seriously going to change the game because people want to see something (gay romance) and are willing to complain about it. 

If so, then the same thing should apply to people who want more choices like a romance between humans and hamsters.

And I'm not comparing polygamy and homosexuality. I'm comparing the love interest that people have with the same sex, multiple partners, or their animals. 

You can't say that you or somebody you know loves somebody or something more than another person. If somebody loves their hamster as much as a man loves another man, it should be left at that. 

That's not what I said at all,  your the one saying that the story shouldn't differ from default Shepherd's path (Only when it comes to skin color and sexuality it seems,  I'm not quite sure how to take that.)  

I've also never complained about lack of homosexual content,  I have suggested that it be part of the game  but I've never suggested that the game we'll be RUINED FOREVER if it isn't included.  You'll notice most people requesting such content are of a similiar mind set, they've stuck it out for two games and there is nothing wrong with hoping/asking for something.  As for bioware changing they're games a bit from the suggestions they receive I can hope,  they have altered their games before thanks to fan responces.

I'm not touching the Hamster thing, it's not the same thing and you know it.

[Saphara]

JR, they wouldnt need to add more characters. They would just need to change the gender flags for existing ones and add a little bit more voiceovers to switch the gender-specific words around. You're acting like they need to spend a crapton of resources to do this when they dont. I mean, look at DA2. Making everyone Bisexual was easier than adding a purely gay character and it was done.

And stop using the beastiality argument. it is not a valid one. Using sliopery slope arguments such as what you're doing just make the entire thing sound stupid.

[AllBlackShepard]

LiquidGrape wrote...

JRBreason wrote...

Do you think it would be wrong for people to start a forum about how Shepard should have a romantic relationship with his pet hamster....(hypothetical) 

If you say yes, why is it ok for gay people to want a relationship with the same sex.

It's not the legitimate relationship, but the fact that somebody can love a hamster just as much as somebody can love another man.

Therefore how can you satisfy all of players needs regarding the choices they want to make. If somebody wants a homosexual relationship, somebody is going to want to play as the bad guy (because ME is designed for the player to make his own choices). But bioware can't do that, because the in fact are following a scripted traditional story.

That's a stupid and excessively offensive argument.
I'm sorry, but it is.

Asking that the still sexually ambiguous Shepard be allowed to pursue his or her particular reasonable orientation, be it bi, ****** or hetero, means per your reasoning that BioWare ought to allow the player to romance hamsters?

Look, I don't know if you're aware of this, but there is a fundamental difference between mutually consenting human beings and a human being taking advantage of an animal.
If you can't see that distinction, I don't know what to make of this. Or you.

Seriously? Taking an advantage of an in animal in what sense! You don't have to treat it with disrespect or anything. Your basing this off the fact that this bestiality? Which I never said. 

If you seriously think it's for gay people to love the same sex, but not for people to be emotional involved with their animals your are seriously deluded. 

you don't need to have a sexual relationship in order for the relationship to be romantic. In which case the animal isn't being treated bad, or being taken advantage of. It can simply be treated as a pet, but for some strange reason the person feel's that they are in love with it. 

Your definition of relationship is sersiouly screwed you know that?

[Wittand25]

Ryzaki wrote...

Is there a reason this couldn't go in the FFTL thread?

Do you really want the bestiality troll there ?

I am saying troll since several times now it was pointed out that the comparison of bestiality and homosexuality is not OK and no valid argument in the first place and yet he still keeps on using it in every single post.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

didy- hah i can be much harder than that  . i've skipped video after 3 secs

[Saphara]

Abramis brama wrote...

Saphara wrote...

Abramis brama wrote...

They probably didn't know at the that time of the project if Shepard's going to be bi or not. So they just gave order for the VA department to do both. They just didn't use the gay dialog when they knew that Shep is straight.

See, this is all guesswork. Unless you actually worked there and thus actually knew the reason they cut it, you cant say they cut it to make Shepard hetero. Generally, when you know what sexuality you want to make your characters, you dont create extra conent for the other side then cut it. It's a waste of resources.

It's just the most logical answer to your question. You know making the extra dialog for gay romances isn't really waste of resources. It's called good planning. It's a simple thing of just recording one line again. If they have nailed it once, doing it again with just simple chainges doesnt make any difference. It doesn't take much time.

It's logical to you because it's what you want to believe. It is in no way logical to me. From a buisness perspective, if you know you dont want something and wouldnt change it at all, why would you blasted make it? Doesnt matter if it isnt "much".

Plus, neither you nor i truely know the reason they cut it, so dont state such things like that as facts.

[Abramis brama]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

If this guy compares a stable and loving relationship between two people of the same sex to goat-f*cking one more time I will set fire to three churches and an orphanage.

Think of the orphans, OP! No legitimate cause nor trolling attempt is worth dead orphans!

Hey man if Bioware would add a talking goat that would consent to shepards attempt of seduction, then why not? It would gives us options.

[didymos1120]

JRBreason wrote...
you don't need to have a sexual relationship in order for the relationship to be romantic. In which case the animal isn't being treated bad, or being taken advantage of. It can simply be treated as a pet, but for some strange reason the person feel's that they are in love with it. 

Is there something you'd like to tell us?

[AdmiralCheez]

Sigh.

*grabs the matches and gasoline*

[Ryzaki]

Wittand25 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Is there a reason this couldn't go in the FFTL thread?

Do you really want the bestiality troll there ?

I am saying troll since several times now it was pointed out that the comparison of bestiality and homosexuality is not OK and no valid argument in the first place and yet he still keeps on using it in every single post.

Not really no. 

*rubs temples* Wouldn't Tali/Garrus/Thane be closer to bestaility than anything? (Not saying they are but if one is gonna say anythingis remotely like bestality with an intelligent partner it would be the non human looking companion) 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 avril 2011 - 08:01 .

[PnXMarcin1PL]

^Admiral

Before u torch that gasoline... Do you have a light? I've lost mine and I need to smoke :innocent:

[Leonia]

JRBreason wrote...

Seriously? Taking an advantage of an in animal in what sense! You don't have to treat it with disrespect or anything. Your basing this off the fact that this bestiality? Which I never said. 

If you seriously think it's for gay people to love the same sex, but not for people to be emotional involved with their animals your are seriously deluded. 

you don't need to have a sexual relationship in order for the relationship to be romantic. In which case the animal isn't being treated bad, or being taken advantage of. It can simply be treated as a pet, but for some strange reason the person feel's that they are in love with it. 

Your definition of relationship is sersiouly screwed you know that?

So what you really mean to say is "I really want to romance my hamster but I'm going to make my case by saying I don't like gay romance for manShepard. If I can't romance my hamster, you can't romance same-sex humans."

[LiquidGrape]

JRBreason wrote...


Seriously? Taking an advantage of an in animal in what sense! You don't have to treat it with disrespect or anything. Your basing this off the fact that this bestiality? Which I never said. 

If you seriously think it's for gay people to love the same sex, but not for people to be emotional involved with their animals your are seriously deluded. 

you don't need to have a sexual relationship in order for the relationship to be romantic. In which case the animal isn't being treated bad, or being taken advantage of. It can simply be treated as a pet, but for some strange reason the person feel's that they are in love with it. 

Your definition of relationship is sersiouly screwed you know that?

You've repeatedly said that you were referring to a romantic relationship with an animal.
Romantic.
Not platonic.
If you expect me to assume anything else when you mention that in the same breath as and deem it comparable to a romantic relationship with another human being, sexual or not, you must be thoroughly oblivious to what you are saying.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 26 avril 2011 - 08:04 .

[Chewin]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

^Admiral

Before u torch that gasoline... Do you have a light? I've lost mine and I need to smoke :innocent:

Smoke kills, man.

Oh what the heck. We still gonna be dead in a few sec...

[Redhot_1]

Chewin3 wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

^Admiral

Before u torch that gasoline... Do you have a light? I've lost mine and I need to smoke :innocent:

Smoke kills, man.

Oh what the heck. We still gonna be dead in a few sec...

In that case I'd better start running

*runs away before the explosion*

[Abramis brama]

Saphara wrote...

Abramis brama wrote...

It's just the most logical answer to your question. You know making the extra dialog for gay romances isn't really waste of resources. It's called good planning. It's a simple thing of just recording one line again. If they have nailed it once, doing it again with just simple chainges doesnt make any difference. It doesn't take much time.

It's logical to you because it's what you want to believe. It is in no way logical to me. From a buisness perspective, if you know you dont want something and wouldnt change it at all, why would you blasted make it? Doesnt matter if it isnt "much".

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Like I said they probably didn't fully know what they wanted at the time when they recorded the voices. Voices are recorded way before the game gets released. It would be way worse for business if they had to call back the voice actors for the lines or just completely ignore something that the market wants.

[jellobell]

leonia42 wrote...

So what you really mean to say is "I really want to romance my hamster but I'm going to make my case by saying I don't like gay romance for manShepard. If I can't romance my hamster, you can't romance same-sex humans."

He should really change the title then. The one he's got now is just misleading.

[Ryzaki]

JRBreason wrote...
Seriously? Taking an advantage of an in animal in what sense! You don't have to treat it with disrespect or anything. Your basing this off the fact that this bestiality? Which I never said. 

If you seriously think it's for gay people to love the same sex, but not for people to be emotional involved with their animals your are seriously deluded. 

you don't need to have a sexual relationship in order for the relationship to be romantic. In which case the animal isn't being treated bad, or being taken advantage of. It can simply be treated as a pet, but for some strange reason the person feel's that they are in love with it. 

Your definition of relationship is sersiouly screwed you know that?

 

...What is this I dont even....

[lovgreno]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

didy- hah i can be much harder than that  . i've skipped video after 3 secs

Oh I see what you did there...

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Chewin3- To be honest, it doesnt matter for me.

lovgreno - do you? xD