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[Mr.House]

Targy90 wrote...

I find it baffling how the same people start ****ing about Tali and Garrus romance in every thread about LIs.

Because there romances where fanservice and made because fans wanted them, and most of them are the ones that don't want S/S romances in ME3, so sorry if we are bitter

[Ryzaki]

Abramis brama wrote...

Only wrong people ME2 devs listened were the ones that wanted millions of romances in the game.

Aye I'd be perfectly fine with no romances period. But if you're gonna include them you might as well go all the way. 

[didymos1120]

Targy90 wrote...

I find it baffling how the same people start ****ing about Tali and Garrus romance in every thread about LIs.

Well, I find it baffling when people can't distinguish "providing counterexamples" from "b!tching".

[Daydreamer_91]

I don\\t play as the guy Shepard so I don't care but really I'd prefer if they'd leave us the choice

[Mr.House]

TheChris92 wrote...

Abramis brama wrote...

I agree with this and I'm happy that nothing about ME 3 indicates that Bioware is going to change Shepards sexuality.

Shepard's sexuality, gender and whatsoever is pretty much decided by the player, like so many others have stated it wasn't defined in the first place. Just putting it out there.

This.

[Targy90]

Mr.House wrote...

Targy90 wrote...

I find it baffling how the same people start ****ing about Tali and Garrus romance in every thread about LIs.

Because there romances where fanservice and made because fans wanted them, and most of them are the ones that don't want S/S romances in ME3, so sorry if we are bitter

So you complain about fanservice and in the same sentence demand your slice of the pie?

[Blacklash93]

TheChris92 wrote...

Abramis brama wrote...

I agree with this and I'm happy that nothing about ME 3 indicates that Bioware is going to change Shepards sexuality.

Shepard's sexuality, gender and whatsoever is pretty much decided by the player, like so many others have stated it wasn't defined in the first place. Just putting it out there.

I agree. I can't understand this reasoning.

Since when is Shepard's sexuality ever truly indicated outside of romances?

[AdmiralCheez]

Targy90 wrote...

So you complain about fanservice and in the same sentence demand your slice of the pie?

More like, "hey, while they're handing out pie, can we have a slice?"

[Inquisitor Recon]

This topic again?

Shepard is straight or into hot asari action, deal with it.

[didymos1120]

Targy90 wrote...

So you complain about fanservice and in the same sentence demand your slice of the pie?

Yeah, "fanservice" isn't just a pejorative you know.  It's simply a particular type of response to the fans. 

[Leonia]

Can't we all just get what we want? I'd like to see: gay manShep, extra VS content, AND a developed romance for Tali and Garrus. No one fanbase has to dictate what the other fanbase should be allowed to have. We're all ME fans, right?

[AdmiralCheez]

ReconTeam wrote...

This topic again?

Shepard is straight or into hot asari action, deal with it.

Your Shepard.

[Mr.House]

ReconTeam wrote...

This topic again?

Shepard is straight or into hot asari action, deal with it.

Uh huh.

[AllBlackShepard]

ReconTeam wrote...

This topic again?

Shepard is straight or into hot asari action, deal with it.

People don't like to be logical, at least ignorant people don't. 

[Blacklash93]

Targy90 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Targy90 wrote...

I find it baffling how the same people start ****ing about Tali and Garrus romance in every thread about LIs.

Because there romances where fanservice and made because fans wanted them, and most of them are the ones that don't want S/S romances in ME3, so sorry if we are bitter

So you complain about fanservice and in the same sentence demand your slice of the pie?

We're just saying that it's not unreasonable to ask for what we want as well. I'm not bitter about others' fanservice, more power to them. Any fan asking for anything is in the exact same boat as the others, including those who want gay romances.

[Omega-202]

Ryzaki wrote...
Wouldn't Tali/Garrus/Thane be closer to bestaility than anything? (Not saying they are but if one is gonna say anythingis remotely like bestality with an intelligent partner it would be the non human looking companion) 

I think that this is a semi-relevant/interesting point.

What do we care about homosexual relationships when we already have interspecies relationships.  
A Human Male - Female Quarian relationship is just as "unnatural" as a Human Male-Human Male relationship.  

A Fem-shep romancing Garrus is no more or less weird than one who romances Jack.  

My point of view on the whole matter comes down to one simple thing though: How are the characters written?  Not everyone is homosexual / bisexual / xenosexual.  You can't just shoehorn in romances if the character has had no shown tendencies for such an attraction.  

This holds for companions and Shepard.  No matter how much people would like to say "Shepard is a projection of us, the role-player", he/she isn't.  We're playing Shepard on rails.  You can choose the path, but the paths are defined by the writers.  He/she is attracted to certain people and not attracted to certain others.  Just like how we can't decide in game to just run off and be a space pirate, we also can't decide to start hitting on people that Shepard has no interest in or who have no interest in Shepard.  Its just not something the character would do.  

[Leonia]

JRBreason wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

This topic again?

Shepard is straight or into hot asari action, deal with it.

People don't like to be logical, at least ignorant people don't. 

What colour are the pot and kettle?

[Blacklash93]

JRBreason wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

This topic again?

Shepard is straight or into hot asari action, deal with it.

People don't like to be logical, at least ignorant people don't. 

You can't even tell a female getting on with another when you see it and you're calling us ignorant?

Modifié par Blacklash93, 26 avril 2011 - 08:36 .

[AllBlackShepard]

Omega-202 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Wouldn't Tali/Garrus/Thane be closer to bestaility than anything? (Not saying they are but if one is gonna say anythingis remotely like bestality with an intelligent partner it would be the non human looking companion) 

I think that this is a semi-relevant/interesting point.

What do we care about homosexual relationships when we already have interspecies relationships.  
A Human Male - Female Quarian relationship is just as "unnatural" as a Human Male-Human Male relationship.  

A Fem-shep romancing Garrus is no more or less weird than one who romances Jack.  

My point of view on the whole matter comes down to one simple thing though: How are the characters written?  Not everyone is homosexual / bisexual / xenosexual.  You can't just shoehorn in romances if the character has had no shown tendencies for such an attraction.  

This holds for companions and Shepard.  No matter how much people would like to say "Shepard is a projection of us, the role-player", he/she isn't.  We're playing Shepard on rails.  You can choose the path, but the paths are defined by the writers.  He/she is attracted to certain people and not attracted to certain others.  Just like how we can't decide in game to just run off and be a space pirate, we also can't decide to start hitting on people that Shepard has no interest in or who have no interest in Shepard.  Its just not something the character would do.  

The most intelligent thing said today

[Ryzaki]

Omega-202 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Wouldn't Tali/Garrus/Thane be closer to bestaility than anything? (Not saying they are but if one is gonna say anythingis remotely like bestality with an intelligent partner it would be the non human looking companion) 

I think that this is a semi-relevant/interesting point.

What do we care about homosexual relationships when we already have interspecies relationships.  
A Human Male - Female Quarian relationship is just as "unnatural" as a Human Male-Human Male relationship.  

A Fem-shep romancing Garrus is no more or less weird than one who romances Jack.  

My point of view on the whole matter comes down to one simple thing though: How are the characters written?  Not everyone is homosexual / bisexual / xenosexual.  You can't just shoehorn in romances if the character has had no shown tendencies for such an attraction.  

This holds for companions and Shepard.  No matter how much people would like to say "Shepard is a projection of us, the role-player", he/she isn't.  We're playing Shepard on rails.  You can choose the path, but the paths are defined by the writers.  He/she is attracted to certain people and not attracted to certain others.  Just like how we can't decide in game to just run off and be a space pirate, we also can't decide to start hitting on people that Shepard has no interest in or who have no interest in Shepard.  Its just not something the character would do.  

No just...no. Shepard has plot defined rails yes. But his/her personality is up to the player to decide. He/she is attracted to whoever the player decides he/she is attracted to. Because if we're gonna follow that "he/she must be attracted to certain people to hit on them." to its logical conclusion that means every single FemShep is attracted to Asari which is nonsense because you can say in the first game that Shepard *isn't* attracted to Asari. The same goes for all the romanes. You have the option to reject them and plainly say Shepard isn't interested and isn't attracted. The game contradicts what you're saying. 

The limitations on who you can hit on are limited by the devs not by Shepard going "Oh wait player. I don't want to sleep with X." 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 avril 2011 - 08:38 .

[Pups_of_war_76]

The "well, Shepard is just heterosexual and that's a part of that character" position never made much sense to me.

I mean, you have a PC who can be male, female, any ethnicity, any fighting or leadership style, make friends or enemies with a whole range of people that can differ in any given playthrough, be a disgustingly idealistic and pure-of-heart knight errant patrolling the spacelanes, a hard-drinking, egotistical, misanthropic, emotionally predatory womanizing anti-hero or anything in between. That's a pretty wide divergence to take into account if one is going to argue that a given thing - particularly something whose correlation to character traits is as subjective as that of sexuality - is absolutely integral to the character and can't be mucked with. I've heard the official Bioware spiel that Shepard is a fixed character with his or her own integral personality that the player is only allowed to influence somewhat, but it also always seemed like bollocks to me, particularly when used to excuse the lack of a particular lifestyle choice option.

Even speaking in purely sexual terms, there is a really wide range of behavior for Shepard, and a wide range of possible attractions. I feel like the sexual and personal proclivities of a Shepard who romances Tali are pretty different from those of one who romances Miranda, all the moreso because Shepard doesn't act even vaguely alike from one romance to another. There's enough variation, I think, to put paid to any sort of notion that Shepard's romantic tastes need to be curtailed in order to maintain character integrity.

Would allowing same-gender romance really remove the definition of the character to a greater extent than the variation already present does? I don't think so.

Modifié par Pups_of_war_76, 26 avril 2011 - 08:38 .

[AllBlackShepard]

Blacklash93 wrote...

JRBreason wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

This topic again?

Shepard is straight or into hot asari action, deal with it.

People don't like to be logical, at least ignorant people don't. 

You can't even tell a female getting on with another when you see it and you're calling us ignorant?

....no by calling you ignorant, I'm implying that your the most sophisticated being that walked the earth. Listen if your just going to bicker like a kid, you can join the toddler forum.

You responding to every comment I make (that you don't like) show's insecurity. If you don't like the thread and think it's idiotic; leave. I know simple is hard to grasp, but you can leave if you want. 

[Centauri2002]

Abramis brama wrote...

This is all DAs fault actually. It gave some weird people the weird idea that Bioware would add anything in the game if they would be loud enough.

I hear ya. There was way too much heterosexuality in that game. The straight folks need to pipe the heck down.

[Blacklash93]

Omega-202 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Wouldn't Tali/Garrus/Thane be closer to bestaility than anything? (Not saying they are but if one is gonna say anythingis remotely like bestality with an intelligent partner it would be the non human looking companion) 

I think that this is a semi-relevant/interesting point.

What do we care about homosexual relationships when we already have interspecies relationships.  
A Human Male - Female Quarian relationship is just as "unnatural" as a Human Male-Human Male relationship.  

A Fem-shep romancing Garrus is no more or less weird than one who romances Jack.  

My point of view on the whole matter comes down to one simple thing though: How are the characters written?  Not everyone is homosexual / bisexual / xenosexual.  You can't just shoehorn in romances if the character has had no shown tendencies for such an attraction.  

This holds for companions and Shepard.  No matter how much people would like to say "Shepard is a projection of us, the role-player", he/she isn't.  We're playing Shepard on rails.  You can choose the path, but the paths are defined by the writers.  He/she is attracted to certain people and not attracted to certain others.  Just like how we can't decide in game to just run off and be a space pirate, we also can't decide to start hitting on people that Shepard has no interest in or who have no interest in Shepard.  Its just not something the character would do.  

It's Bioware's decision what to include and what to exclude. Us, asking what we want for, in no way invades the experiences of others. There is no reason to put Shepard on rails in that regard.

DA2 is just like ME2. You're put on a strict path and given choice to act within it. There are variables, but none that change the end goal much... And yet the character can still be gay.

Bioware can not write Shepard for us when we ask for a personality variable in such a reasonable place. Especially when they're handing out lesbian-erotic scenes whenever an Asari pops up (they are female).

Modifié par Blacklash93, 26 avril 2011 - 08:43 .