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[ADLegend21]

JRBreason wrote...

I don't understand why people are complaining that Shepard is heterosexual. The game was designed a specific way, it's not like Bioware is discriminating; just let it be. 

However, the whole FemShep with Liara/Morinth/Samara and kelly is random. I think the guys at BIoware designed this so they could experiment with the whole alien based relationship, and demonstrate how the ME world is filled with aliens whose culture differ from ours.

That being said, I would like to see Shepard remain heterosexual, just like I would like to see him remain a white guy (and this is coming from a black person). 

It wouldn't make sense for Bioware to change the game's romance structure just for the sake of a gay relationship. 

But at the end of the day, It's Bioware's choice, and if they choose to do so with the game; I'll still be happy with them and play the game regardless. 

Sign if you support, if you don't; I will be more than happy to change my opinion if you can bring up a civil/logical case


This thread is not to bash,discriminate,insult,or harass homosexual's. Please, if you have something negative or offensive to say, shut up. Let's keep this thread on topic with ME, and not get involved with things that don't need involvement.

While You may want shepard to be Heterosexual, and while you may want him to remain white, and while you may want him to remain a guy, other's don't. Bioware gave us Shepard to customize and that there is no Canon Shepard. There are homosexual and bisexual Shepards all over the place (My Canon femshep is Bisexual) you are more than welcome to have a heterosexual shepard (my canon MaleShep is hetero) in your game, but that means others can make Shepard into whatever they want.

[Maria Caliban]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

OP, do you have a problem with romancing Liara, Thane, Garrus, or Tali? Because they're not human, you know.

OH NO! BESTIALITY!

Bestiality does not refer to sex with non-humans but sex with animals. Because of religious folklore, the majority of cultures have a 'non-human but person' category.

[Saeran]

Omega-202 wrote...

I think that this is a semi-relevant/interesting point.

What do we care about homosexual relationships when we already have interspecies relationships.  
A Human Male - Female Quarian relationship is just as "unnatural" as a Human Male-Human Male relationship.  

A Fem-shep romancing Garrus is no more or less weird than one who romances Jack.  

My point of view on the whole matter comes down to one simple thing though: How are the characters written?  Not everyone is homosexual / bisexual / xenosexual.  You can't just shoehorn in romances if the character has had no shown tendencies for such an attraction.  

This holds for companions and Shepard.  No matter how much people would like to say "Shepard is a projection of us, the role-player", he/she isn't.  We're playing Shepard on rails.  You can choose the path, but the paths are defined by the writers.  He/she is attracted to certain people and not attracted to certain others.  Just like how we can't decide in game to just run off and be a space pirate, we also can't decide to start hitting on people that Shepard has no interest in or who have no interest in Shepard.  Its just not something the character would do.  

But apparently you can shoehorn in romances with people who (in the
previous game) showed absolutely no interest in romancing Shepard.

[Machazareel]

I honestly have no problem with them adding gay romances, but just try not to make it quite as retarded as in DA2 where absolutely *everyone* was bi <.> That's just silly.

But apparently you can shoehorn in romances with people who (in the
previous game) showed absolutely no interest in romancing Shepard.

Garrus seemed kinda shoehorned, though it often seemed like Tali was pretty happy to see you everytime you went to speak to her in ME1.

Modifié par Machazareel, 26 avril 2011 - 08:45 .

[Blacklash93]

JRBreason wrote...
....no by calling you ignorant, I'm implying that your the most sophisticated being that walked the earth. Listen if your just going to bicker like a kid, you can join the toddler forum.

You responding to every comment I make (that you don't like) show's insecurity. If you don't like the thread and think it's idiotic; leave. I know simple is hard to grasp, but you can leave if you want. 

You're calling those who disagree with you ignorant. That's what I'm standing up against.

You're free to think whatever you want of me. It doesn't change the truth that I'm only strongly defending my argument.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 26 avril 2011 - 08:46 .

[AllBlackShepard]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Omega-202 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Wouldn't Tali/Garrus/Thane be closer to bestaility than anything? (Not saying they are but if one is gonna say anythingis remotely like bestality with an intelligent partner it would be the non human looking companion) 

I think that this is a semi-relevant/interesting point.

What do we care about homosexual relationships when we already have interspecies relationships.  
A Human Male - Female Quarian relationship is just as "unnatural" as a Human Male-Human Male relationship.  

A Fem-shep romancing Garrus is no more or less weird than one who romances Jack.  

My point of view on the whole matter comes down to one simple thing though: How are the characters written?  Not everyone is homosexual / bisexual / xenosexual.  You can't just shoehorn in romances if the character has had no shown tendencies for such an attraction.  

This holds for companions and Shepard.  No matter how much people would like to say "Shepard is a projection of us, the role-player", he/she isn't.  We're playing Shepard on rails.  You can choose the path, but the paths are defined by the writers.  He/she is attracted to certain people and not attracted to certain others.  Just like how we can't decide in game to just run off and be a space pirate, we also can't decide to start hitting on people that Shepard has no interest in or who have no interest in Shepard.  Its just not something the character would do.  

It's Bioware's decision what to include and what to exclude. Us, asking what we want for, in no way invades the experiences of others. There is no reason to put Shepard on rails in that regard.

DA2 is just like ME2. You're put on a strict path and given choice to act within it. There are variables, but none that change the end goal much... And yet there are still gay romances.

Bioware can not write Shepard for us when we ask for a personality variable in such a reasonable place.

This is my point. At the end of the day if Bioware decides to implement a only hetero/****** sexual relationship in the game then so be it. 


But for people who support the gay relationship to get mad at people who go against is stupid. At the end of the day, I could care less. But if given my opportunity to speak about it, I will. 

[Leonia]

centauri2002 wrote...

Abramis brama wrote...

This is all DAs fault actually. It gave some weird people the weird idea that Bioware would add anything in the game if they would be loud enough.

I hear ya. There was way too much heterosexuality in that game. The straight folks need to pipe the heck down.

This straight person was just defending the right for gay manShep to exist. But I guess I coould shut up.

[JamieCOTC]

ReconTeam wrote...

This topic again?

Shepard is straight or into hot asari action, deal with it.

My femShep is definitely into hot asari action.  For DudeShep wanting to get w/ Kaidan, PC mods are your friend. 

[Maria Caliban]

If the Dragon Age boards are anything to go on, there are more straight women who like m/m and straight men who like f/f than there are lesbian and gay male players. It's really not an issue of player sexual orientation.

[Centauri2002]

leonia42 wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

Abramis brama wrote...

This is all DAs fault actually. It gave some weird people the weird idea that Bioware would add anything in the game if they would be loud enough.

I hear ya. There was way too much heterosexuality in that game. The straight folks need to pipe the heck down.

This straight person was just defending the right for gay manShep to exist. But I guess I coould shut up.

I'm going to have to start using sarcasm tags again, aren't I? 

Modifié par centauri2002, 26 avril 2011 - 08:49 .

[ReallyRue]

Saeran wrote...

Omega-202 wrote...

I think that this is a semi-relevant/interesting point.

What do we care about homosexual relationships when we already have interspecies relationships.  
A Human Male - Female Quarian relationship is just as "unnatural" as a Human Male-Human Male relationship.  

A Fem-shep romancing Garrus is no more or less weird than one who romances Jack.  

My point of view on the whole matter comes down to one simple thing though: How are the characters written?  Not everyone is homosexual / bisexual / xenosexual.  You can't just shoehorn in romances if the character has had no shown tendencies for such an attraction.  

This holds for companions and Shepard.  No matter how much people would like to say "Shepard is a projection of us, the role-player", he/she isn't.  We're playing Shepard on rails.  You can choose the path, but the paths are defined by the writers.  He/she is attracted to certain people and not attracted to certain others.  Just like how we can't decide in game to just run off and be a space pirate, we also can't decide to start hitting on people that Shepard has no interest in or who have no interest in Shepard.  Its just not something the character would do.  

But apparently you can shoehorn in romances with people who (in the
previous game) showed absolutely no interest in romancing Shepard.

Exactly. Tali and Garrus can both jump off the 'rails' and suddenly want to sleep with a human Shepard, and Shepard can suddenly jump off his/her rails and want to sleep with a funky-looking alien. I don't see how adding a gay option would be out of the realms of possiblity when they've already done this.

[AllBlackShepard]

ADLegend21 wrote...

JRBreason wrote...

I don't understand why people are complaining that Shepard is heterosexual. The game was designed a specific way, it's not like Bioware is discriminating; just let it be. 

However, the whole FemShep with Liara/Morinth/Samara and kelly is random. I think the guys at BIoware designed this so they could experiment with the whole alien based relationship, and demonstrate how the ME world is filled with aliens whose culture differ from ours.

That being said, I would like to see Shepard remain heterosexual, just like I would like to see him remain a white guy (and this is coming from a black person). 

It wouldn't make sense for Bioware to change the game's romance structure just for the sake of a gay relationship. 

But at the end of the day, It's Bioware's choice, and if they choose to do so with the game; I'll still be happy with them and play the game regardless. 

Sign if you support, if you don't; I will be more than happy to change my opinion if you can bring up a civil/logical case


This thread is not to bash,discriminate,insult,or harass homosexual's. Please, if you have something negative or offensive to say, shut up. Let's keep this thread on topic with ME, and not get involved with things that don't need involvement.

While You may want shepard to be Heterosexual, and while you may want him to remain white, and while you may want him to remain a guy, other's don't. Bioware gave us Shepard to customize and that there is no Canon Shepard. There are homosexual and bisexual Shepards all over the place (My Canon femshep is Bisexual) you are more than welcome to have a heterosexual shepard (my canon MaleShep is hetero) in your game, but that means others can make Shepard into whatever they want.

Well him being white was sarcastic. My shep is actually a black guy. Listen, your the most civil person I've talked with. In all honesty i makes sense, but i'd rather enjoy the way that bioware has the relationships set up now as opposed to trying to moving the rails around because some fans want a gay relationship; it's my opinion though

still you have a very valid point. 

[Sylvianus]

Boobs, hetero/gay, boobs, hetero/gay, boobs, hetero/gay, boobs, hetero/gays, boobs, hetero/gay, boobs, hetero/gays. Boobs, hetero/gays.

Everywhere.... Boring, boring....

[jellobell]

Pups_of_war_76 wrote...

The "well, Shepard is just heterosexual and that's a part of that character" position never made much sense to me.

I mean, you have a PC who can be male, female, any ethnicity, any fighting or leadership style, make friends or enemies with a whole range of people that can differ in any given playthrough, be a disgustingly idealistic and pure-of-heart knight errant patrolling the spacelanes, a hard-drinking, egotistical, misanthropic, emotionally predatory womanizing anti-hero or anything in between. That's a pretty wide divergence to take into account if one is going to argue that a given thing - particularly something whose correlation to character traits is as subjective as that of sexuality - is absolutely integral to the character and can't be mucked with. I've heard the official Bioware spiel that Shepard is a fixed character with his or her own integral personality that the player is only allowed to influence somewhat, but it also always seemed like bollocks to me, particularly when used to excuse the lack of a particular lifestyle choice option.

Even speaking in purely sexual terms, there is a really wide range of behavior for Shepard, and a wide range of possible attractions. I feel like the sexual and personal proclivities of a Shepard who romances Tali are pretty different from those of one who romances Miranda, all the moreso because Shepard doesn't act even vaguely alike from one romance to another. There's enough variation, I think, to put paid to any sort of notion that Shepard's romantic tastes need to be curtailed in order to maintain character integrity.

Would allowing same-gender romance really remove the definition of the character to a greater extent than the variation already present does? I don't think so.

Exactly. Giving us so much choice about  pretty much everything else about Shepard blows a big hole in the theory that Manshep is "canonically" straight.

[Ryzaki]

Sylvianus wrote...

Boobs, hetero/gay, boobs, hetero/gay, boobs, hetero/gay, boobs, hetero/gays, boobs, hetero/gay, boobs, hetero/gays. Boobs, hetero/gays.

Everywhere.... Boring, boring....

Boobs are never boring! 

[Omega-202]

Ryzaki wrote...

No just...no. Shepard has plot defined rails yes. Bu his/her personality is up to the player to decide. He/she is attracted to whoever the player decides he/she is attracted to. Because if we're gonna follow that "he/she must be attracted to certain people to hit on them." to its logical conclusion that means every single FemShep is attracted to Asari which is nonsense because you can say in the first game that Shepard *isn't* attracted to Asari. The same goes for all the romanes. You have the option to reject them and plainly say Shepard isn't interested and isn't attracted. The game contradicts what you're saying. 

Its stated by multiple sources in game that nearly everyone is attracted to the Asari to some degree to the point where one human on Illium even starts suspecting mind control.  Just as any person can see an attractive person of either sex, notice that they're attractive and not feel anything beyond that.  By this train of logic and the fact that any Shepard has the potential to romance Liara, your Shepard IS attracted to Asari.  

You can have your Shepard say "I don't see the appeal" just like you tell the friends of a pretty girl "I'm not attracted to her" so they don't set you up on a blind date with them last Tuesday becasue you knew she was crazy....Long story.....
The point is, you are attracted, you just don't act on that impulse.

Shepard says a lot of things and CAN say a lot of things.  You prefer to ignore the responses that could be made in favor of the ones you did make.  The fact that they're options are all part of Shepard's character.  You simply have a different interpretation of dialogue choices than I do.  

In my opinion, there's only one Shepard.  The Shepard who punched could have punched out Al'Jilani is the same Shepard who could have saved Feros without a single casualty.  My logic behind this is that WE LOSE CONTROL of so many of Shepard's actions throughout the series.  

We're forced to be nice to Anderson no matter what.  The LotSB dialogue really shows a lot of Shepard's character and its out of our control.  We are forced to show a moderate amount of disdain for the Council no matter what we'd like to do.  We are forced to be condescending toward Joker 9 times out of 10.  

Shepard isn't just on rails for the story, he/she's on rails for the entire game.  Shep has a personality that is defined, its just how good or bad of a day he/she's having at the moment.  

[Abramis brama]

ReallyRue wrote...

Exactly. Tali and Garrus can both jump off the 'rails' and suddenly want to sleep with a human Shepard, and Shepard can suddenly jump off his/her rails and want to sleep with a funky-looking alien. I don't see how adding a gay option would be out of the realms of possiblity when they've already done this.

Just knowing that there's a gay option would make most people uneasy.

[Blacklash93]

Sylvianus wrote...

Boobs, hetero/gay, boobs, hetero/gay, boobs, hetero/gay, boobs, hetero/gays, boobs, hetero/gay, boobs, hetero/gays. Boobs, hetero/gays.

Everywhere.... Boring, boring....

i'm sure everyone is tired of it.

[Machazareel]

Exactly. Giving us so much choice about pretty much everything else about Shepard blows a big hole in the theory that Manshep is "canonically" straight.

One could also argue it does the exact opposite. "We'll let you decide a bunch of stuff, but not this."
Not taking sides, just sayin'

[AllBlackShepard]

Blacklash93 wrote...

JRBreason wrote...
....no by calling you ignorant, I'm implying that your the most sophisticated being that walked the earth. Listen if your just going to bicker like a kid, you can join the toddler forum.

You responding to every comment I make (that you don't like) show's insecurity. If you don't like the thread and think it's idiotic; leave. I know simple is hard to grasp, but you can leave if you want. 

You're calling those who disagree with you ignorant. That's what I'm standing up against.

You're free to think whatever you want of me. It doesn't change the truth that I'm only strongly defending my argument.

I'm not questioning your motivation; I applaud you for it. But if enough people convince bioware to keep the game in the same direction in which it has been selling millions of copies of and winning countless awards; don't get mad. I would respect bioware's decision if it did the same for people like you who wan to see the game progress. 

This isn't a political race (to me) 

If bioware adds gay relationships, I'll still play the game. I won't make a thread say I HATE M.E. 

All I'm asking for is, let people who don't agree with you speak too.

[Leonia]

Abramis brama wrote...

ReallyRue wrote...

Exactly. Tali and Garrus can both jump off the 'rails' and suddenly want to sleep with a human Shepard, and Shepard can suddenly jump off his/her rails and want to sleep with a funky-looking alien. I don't see how adding a gay option would be out of the realms of possiblity when they've already done this.

Just knowing that there's a gay option would make most people uneasy.

Why? If it's an option, a person who "fears" being gay never has to worry about being forced into something they aren't comfortable with.

[Centauri2002]

Abramis brama wrote...

Just knowing that there's a gay option would make most people uneasy.

Because just knowing about gay content in a game you're playing and yet will never come across instantly infects you with the gayness. True story.

In all seriousness, this is silly. Why would it make anyone uneasy if they don't have to play it? You don't see me complaining there are heterosexual options in the game. You know why? Because I don't choose to follow them! I expect other people to have similar sense.

[didymos1120]

Abramis brama wrote...

Just knowing that there's a gay option would make most people uneasy.

Assertions aren't a substitute for an actual argument.

[Inquisitor Recon]

So as usual some people want an option for gay Shepard, others don't. How do we fight this out? Rocks? Clubs?

[Maria Caliban]

Sylvianus wrote...

Boobs, hetero/gay, boobs, hetero/gay, boobs, hetero/gay, boobs, hetero/gays, boobs, hetero/gay, boobs, hetero/gays. Boobs, hetero/gays.

Everywhere.... Boring, boring....

It's boring because you don't have any bisexual or poly.