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[Leonia]

ReconTeam wrote...

So as usual some people want an option for gay Shepard, others don't. How do we fight this out? Rocks? Clubs?

How about rock, paper, scissors?

[Blacklash93]

Omega-202 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

No just...no. Shepard has plot defined rails yes. Bu his/her personality is up to the player to decide. He/she is attracted to whoever the player decides he/she is attracted to. Because if we're gonna follow that "he/she must be attracted to certain people to hit on them." to its logical conclusion that means every single FemShep is attracted to Asari which is nonsense because you can say in the first game that Shepard *isn't* attracted to Asari. The same goes for all the romanes. You have the option to reject them and plainly say Shepard isn't interested and isn't attracted. The game contradicts what you're saying. 

Its stated by multiple sources in game that nearly everyone is attracted to the Asari to some degree to the point where one human on Illium even starts suspecting mind control.  Just as any person can see an attractive person of either sex, notice that they're attractive and not feel anything beyond that.  By this train of logic and the fact that any Shepard has the potential to romance Liara, your Shepard IS attracted to Asari.  

Kelly, as well.

Asari are female. I don't care what reasoning there is behind peoples' attraction to them. It doesn't change that Bioware is handing out lesbian-erotic material that actual lesbians appreciate while excluding gay men and going as far to say you can't even think that Shepard could be anything other than straight.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 26 avril 2011 - 09:01 .

[AllBlackShepard]

ReconTeam wrote...

So as usual some people want an option for gay Shepard, others don't. How do we fight this out? Rocks? Clubs?

How about you just let bioware decided like they have been in the past. Post whatever threads or voting polls you would like, but don't get hostile towards people who disagree with you. 

.....that would be a start

[Omega-202]

Saeran wrote...

But apparently you can shoehorn in romances with people who (in the
previous game) showed absolutely no interest in romancing Shepard.

Which A) I disagreed with on that principle and concede that there are caveats that make it at least feasible.

On : Tali was a teenage girl new to the outside world at the time and Shepard was a mid 20's space marine.  Any girl with some sort of survival instinct wasn't going to be throwing herself at a guy like that right away.  Forget the pedophelia undertones that would have been implied.

For Garrus, he was emotionally distant to EVERYONE regardless of sex or species.  Its not unreasonable to imagine that he'd be hesitant to engage anyone on that level at that point in his life.  Between 1 and 2 he went through a lot of emotional development.  A change like that is reasonable.  

But to start changing other characters?  Kaiden was fine with romancing a female shepard in ME 1.  If he was bisexual at the time, what was stopping him from going after male shep?  Sexuality isn't usually considered fluid like that.  The same could be said about Ash, Jacob, Thane and Miranda.  

Personally, Jack was a mistake.  They should have stuck with her being bisexual like they said in her dialogue and made her available to both.  

[FKA_Servo]

ReconTeam wrote...

So as usual some people want an option for gay Shepard, others don't. How do we fight this out? Rocks? Clubs?

I think the logical response to this would be live and let live, and don't worry about how other people want to play the game, because it's truly no skin off your back.

[Abramis brama]

leonia42 wrote...

Why? If it's an option, a person who
"fears" being gay never has to worry about being forced into something
they aren't comfortable with.

centauri2002 wrote...

Because just knowing about gay content in a game you're playing and yet will never come across instantly infects you with the gayness. True story.

In all seriousness, this is silly. Why would it make anyone uneasy if they don't have to play it? You don't see me complaining there are heterosexual options in the game. You know why? Because I don't choose to follow them! I expect other people to have similar sense.

Most people don't roleplay their character. They just play it and enjoy the story as it is. So seeing that Shepard could be a gay would in a way make shepards actually gay in their mind.

[LiquidGrape]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Boobs, hetero/gay, boobs, hetero/gay, boobs, hetero/gay, boobs, hetero/gays, boobs, hetero/gay, boobs, hetero/gays. Boobs, hetero/gays.

Everywhere.... Boring, boring....

It's boring because you don't have any bisexual or poly.

What interests me is this seemingly random interchangeability of the nouns "gay" and "gays".
...did a hetero turn gay after the third discussion on the subject?

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 26 avril 2011 - 09:01 .

[Leonia]

Abramis brama wrote...

Most people don't roleplay their
character. They just play it and enjoy the story as it is. So seeing
that Shepard could be a gay would in a way make shepards actually gay in
their mind.

Uh, what. If they don't role-play then why do they care about what Shepard acts like in their mind?

Modifié par leonia42, 26 avril 2011 - 09:01 .

[Centauri2002]

ReconTeam wrote...

So as usual some people want an option for gay Shepard, others don't. How do we fight this out? Rocks? Clubs?

Actually, I don't think it's necessary to define Shepard at all. Yes, some people choose to label their Shepards, even I do. But it's not necessary. Asking for Shepard to be gay or heterosexual isn't really what this is about. It's about giving a romance option. A single option. And how some people don't want that option in the game. Besides, having a male LI for a MaleShep doesn't make him gay. He could quite easily be bisexual. That definition is entirely up to the player.

I really don't see how that single choice in the game will affect those who don't have any interest in it.

[Ryzaki]

Omega-202 wrote...
Its stated by multiple sources in game that nearly everyone is attracted to the Asari to some degree to the point where one human on Illium even starts suspecting mind control.  Just as any person can see an attractive person of either sex, notice that they're attractive and not feel anything beyond that.  By this train of logic and the fact that any Shepard has the potential to romance Liara, your Shepard IS attracted to Asari.  

That makes no sense. Nearly everyone =/= everyone. Your Shepard doens't HAVE to be attracted to Asari. It's a choice. 

You can have your Shepard say "I don't see the appeal" just like you tell the friends of a pretty girl "I'm not attracted to her" so they don't set you up on a blind date with them last Tuesday becasue you knew she was crazy....Long story.....
The point is, you are attracted, you just don't act on that impulse.

No. You can out and out call her kind disgusting. That's not attraction. 

Shepard says a lot of things and CAN say a lot of things.  You prefer to ignore the responses that could be made in favor of the ones you did make.  The fact that they're options are all part of Shepard's character.  You simply have a different interpretation of dialogue choices than I do.  

In my opinion, there's only one Shepard.  The Shepard who punched could have punched out Al'Jilani is the same Shepard who could have saved Feros without a single casualty.  My logic behind this is that WE LOSE CONTROL of so many of Shepard's actions throughout the series.  

We're forced to be nice to Anderson no matter what.  The LotSB dialogue really shows a lot of Shepard's character and its out of our control.  We are forced to show a moderate amount of disdain for the Council no matter what we'd like to do.  We are forced to be condescending toward Joker 9 times out of 10.  

Shepard isn't just on rails for the story, he/she's on rails for the entire game.  Shep has a personality that is defined, its just how good or bad of a day he/she's having at the moment.  

Having the option to say something =/= in being in character for a specific Shepard to say something. That makes no sense. Renegade Shepard and Paragon Shepard have different world views. (And in ME1 Renegade Shepard was a racist most of the time.) You're telling me the same person that goes "oh I'd love to learn more about your culture!" is the same as the person who goes "Ugh. Not interested." That the same person who coldly kills Wrex for his outburst on Virmire is the same person who lowers his weapon to calm Wrex down and s outraged when Ashley kills Wrex? Even though he can also thank her for doing so?

Sorry but that makes no sense to me. That makes Shepard schizo. I don't find Shepard to be schizo. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 avril 2011 - 09:01 .

[Sylvianus]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Boobs, hetero/gay, boobs, hetero/gay, boobs, hetero/gay, boobs, hetero/gays, boobs, hetero/gay, boobs, hetero/gays. Boobs, hetero/gays.

Everywhere.... Boring, boring....

It's boring because you don't have any bisexual or poly.

It's boring because you  have always the same conversation that does not move, the same words, the same people. Nobody will convince no one, each side maintains its position, the one who decide it's Bioware. Why not wait? And yet, you multiply topics of thirty page to say the same thing, losing readability. It becomes redundant.

Why not keep a single topic ?

Modifié par Sylvianus, 26 avril 2011 - 09:02 .

[Saeran]

JRBreason wrote...

I'm not questioning your motivation; I applaud you for it. But if enough people convince bioware to keep the game in the same direction in which it has been selling millions of copies of and winning countless awards; don't get mad. I would respect bioware's decision if it did the same for people like you who wan to see the game progress. 

This isn't a political race (to me) 

If bioware adds gay relationships, I'll still play the game. I won't make a thread say I HATE M.E. 

All I'm asking for is, let people who don't agree with you speak too.

You are allowed to disagree but you need to have a valid argument to disagree. Continuity however is not a valid argument due to BioWare's past decisions, and nor is homosexuality is the same as beastiality.

YOUR Shepard can be straight as an arrow if you wish to play him that way, like a projection of yourself I assume. Although there are many straight people out there who would play a gay romance just to experience it. The point is, Why do YOU think I should not get an option at all?

The romances add interaction between the characters and your Shepard, and yes not everyone is gay, but at the same time 9/12 people probably aren't going to fall in love with you after a few conversations.

Modifié par Saeran, 26 avril 2011 - 09:03 .

[didymos1120]

ReconTeam wrote...

So as usual some people want an option for gay Shepard, others don't. How do we fight this out? Rocks? Clubs?

We don't.  The people who want it keep wanting it and saying so.  The ones who don't do likewise.  Bioware then decides what they'll do.

[JamieCOTC]

Like it or not, I don't see the ME team changing course w/ ME3. I personally prefer that Shepard's character be mostly left up to the player, whether you play Sheploo or whatever. As Chris Priestly once said, there's nothing wrong w/ wanting multiplayer in ME3. Conversely, there is nothing wrong wanting a gay Male Shep, but neither is going to happen.

[Centauri2002]

Abramis brama wrote...

Most people don't roleplay their character. They just play it and enjoy the story as it is. So seeing that Shepard could be a gay would in a way make shepards actually gay in their mind.

That's ridiculous. That would make him bisexual by your logic, because he still has the option to romance females. In fact, that would make him a bit of a man****, since he has the option to sleep around with a whole host of characters. But who cares? If it doesn't happen in your save file, it doesn't happen in that Shepard's universe.

Or are you suggesting that because Shepard has the option to both save the council and let them die that both happens? I feel some quantum physics theories coming on...

[Abramis brama]

leonia42 wrote...

Abramis brama wrote...

Most people don't roleplay their
character. They just play it and enjoy the story as it is. So seeing
that Shepard could be a gay would in a way make shepards actually gay in
their mind.

Uh, what. If they don't role-play then why do they care about what Shepard acts like in their mind?

Because a character they're playing with (a manly space marine)  is suddenly gay. Some people find gay romances in movies disgusting. That's why.

[FKA_Servo]

Abramis brama wrote...


Because a character they're playing with (a manly space marine)  is suddenly gay. Some people find gay romances in movies disgusting. That's why.

And all it takes is a click of the new game button to get a womanly space marine.

Your Shepard is not everyone's Shepard. This is easy enough to avoid if you don't want to see it.

Modifié par TommyServo, 26 avril 2011 - 09:07 .

[Saeran]

Abramis brama wrote...

Because a character they're playing with (a manly space marine)  is suddenly gay. Some people find gay romances in movies disgusting. That's why.

Hey bro, I heard my Shepard's gay. Must mean yours is to.

[didymos1120]

Abramis brama wrote...

Because a character they're playing with (a manly space marine)  is suddenly gay. Some people find gay romances in movies disgusting. That's why.

One of those people, and the most important of course, being you?

[Centauri2002]

Abramis brama wrote...

Because a character they're playing with (a manly space marine)  is suddenly gay. Some people find gay romances in movies disgusting. That's why.

Because a gay or bisexual man cannot be manly? <_<

And you can stop substituting "some people" for "I" now. We've caught on.

Modifié par centauri2002, 26 avril 2011 - 09:07 .

[Eiliestl]

I've been waiting a thread like this .

[Centauri2002]

Nyoka wrote...
Put the mask on! You're gonna catch teh Gay!

It's too late for me, save yourself!

[Inquisitor Recon]

TommyServo wrote...
I think the logical response to this would be live and let live, and don't worry about how other people want to play the game, because it's truly no skin off your back.

It does involve work in Biowares part which in my opinion could be better used elsewhere. So it does effect me. Plus BIoware either has to add a gay character or suddenly someone turns bisexual. I am no fan of the "Shepard-sexual" concept for characters.

[Leonia]

Oh boy, not the "gay men can't be manly" argument.. I think I'm going to have to leave the thread now. Before my IQ drops.