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[Turnip Root]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Stealing was always the intention of a good portion of the "pro-openness" crowd. Either from sony and game makers or us.

But it's not stealing it's SHARING AND SHARING IS CARING!!

[Trapper_920]

axl99 wrote...

Read on twitter feeds that some hackers have already made purchases on the credit card numbers they stole, up to 1000 dollars. Not cool. Hacking your own PS3 is one thing and while hacking PSN is a whole other ball field, actually using stolen information for personal gain? There's just no honour to be had in that at all. It's petty.

I think I agree with you.

If people want to tear apart their system thats their call. I figure its theirs and not mine. PSN is not theirs its Sony's and is accessed by... well I think they said 77 million people. That I don't think should have been done.

I just got this link in my email today.

http://dvice.com/arc...ced-to.php#more

Modifié par Trapper_920, 28 avril 2011 - 04:41 .

[Garak2]

Turnip Root wrote...

But I thought hackers only wanted to jailbreak the PS3 so that they could create home brew and run Linux on it.

They did, these hackers are not the same as those who wanted to restore Linux operation to the PS3. I said RESTORE because you see, it was Sony who put the functionality in it in the first place. Restoring features is a honorable cause and I highly doubt it was Geohot who did this. Likewise, Anon has said they didn't do this. Anon has always been proud to take credit for their deeds so I believe them. 

These are likely common internet criminals who pulled off  a large job. The target likely picked because of all the controversy surrounding Sony (ie, they knew people would point the finger at Geohot and/ot anon).

Modifié par Garak2, 28 avril 2011 - 05:40 .

[Garak2]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Stealing was always the intention of a good portion of the "pro-openness" crowd. Either from sony and game makers or us.

Who is the "pro-openess" crowd? Linux users?

[Rockworm503]

Anathemic wrote...

I'm so glad back in my console phase I only played XBox 360. Now I'm super glad I'm PC only, because when I get hacked I know it's due to my own ****.

Its funny how Fanboyism and Ignorance goes hand in hand.
You think sony has some big "HACK US" sign or something?
You think Microsoft is like immune to hackers?
Please this can easily happen to Xbox live and only a fool would think otherwise.

As for this story itself WOW.  I'm gonna have to change my password when I get off work tonight.  I haven't been on my PS3 for 2 weeks.  Glad I only deal in cash I buy something online I get a giftcard.

[Trapper_920]

Garak2 wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Stealing was always the intention of a good portion of the "pro-openness" crowd. Either from sony and game makers or us.

Who is the "pro-openess" crowd? Linux users?

I was wondering if thats what was meant  too but I don't think of Linux users as being out to steal stuff.

[Trapper_920]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

I'm so glad back in my console phase I only played XBox 360. Now I'm super glad I'm PC only, because when I get hacked I know it's due to my own ****.

Its funny how Fanboyism and Ignorance goes hand in hand.
You think sony has some big "HACK US" sign or something?
You think Microsoft is like immune to hackers?
Please this can easily happen to Xbox live and only a fool would think otherwise.

As for this story itself WOW.  I'm gonna have to change my password when I get off work tonight.  I haven't been on my PS3 for 2 weeks.  Glad I only deal in cash I buy something online I get a giftcard.

Unless they bring it back online you won't be able to change it. The whole system is off right now. So far their is not date of when the rebuild of PSN will come back on.

[Rockworm503]

Anathemic wrote...

Garak2 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Garak2 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

I'm so glad back in my console phase I only played XBox 360. Now I'm super glad I'm PC only, because when I get hacked I know it's due to my own ****.

Do you buy games online? Do you buy anything online?

If Steam got hacked would it be any different than this?  I guess I don't understand how giving a PC gaming company your CC info is any different than giving it to a console gaming company. Microsoft may get hacked next and then it could be Steam or EA. Ever buy any BioWare points?

No I don't buy anything online, all my games are physical copies. Steam can go suck it.

Ah yes I understand now.

In all seriousness, I feel sorry for all PSN users (to a degree) and wish misfortune upon the hackers. But my personal dislike for Sony tells me that they deserve this.

As for me being a PC gamer. Again if someone hacks me atleat I know it was due to my own ****** **** rather than other people's ****** ****.

My personal dislike for Microsoft tells me they deserve this doesn't mean it should happen.
My personal dislike for Justin Bieber tells me he deserves it.
My personal dislike for John Cena ect...

See how retarded that sounds?

[Turnip Root]

Garak2 wrote...

Turnip Root wrote...

But I thought hackers only wanted to jailbreak the PS3 so that they could create home brew and run Linux on it.

They did, these hackers are not the same as those who wanted to restore Linux operation to the PS3. I said RESTORE because you see, it was Sony who put the functionality in it in the first place. Restoring features is a honorable cause and I highly doubt it was Geohot who did this. Likewise, Anon has said they didn't do this. Anon has always been proud to take credit for their deeds so I believe them. 

These are likely common internet criminals who pulled off  a large job. The target likely picked because of all the controversy surrounding Sony (ie, they knew people would point the finger at Geohot and/ot anon).

If they wanted to keep Linux then they shouldn't have accepted the update.  Sony warned that this feature would be removed so they have only themselves to blame for their own carelessness.

[Garak2]

Trapper_920 wrote...

Garak2 wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Stealing was always the intention of a good portion of the "pro-openness" crowd. Either from sony and game makers or us.

Who is the "pro-openess" crowd? Linux users?

I was wondering if thats what was meant  too but I don't think of Linux users as being out to steal stuff.

No they aren't. Besides, if Linux users were widely thought to be theives because they like open source software then Sony was foolish to include Linux support with the PS3 in the first place.

[Rockworm503]

Damn I have a friend who bought stuff with his credit card on his PS3. I hope he unchecked save card info before this happened.

I'm not to worried for myself though I only used gift cards.

[Turnip Root]

The whole Linux thing is just a smokescreen anyways. Most people who hack the PS3 are only doing so so they can pirate games and cheat online.

I'm sure most could care less about Linux.

It's kind of like how PC gamers justify their piracy by saying it's all because of DRM.  Obvious BS if you look at DRM free games like World of Goo that got pirated to Hell despite being DRM free.

Modifié par Turnip Root, 28 avril 2011 - 05:59 .

[Garak2]

Turnip Root wrote...

Garak2 wrote...

Turnip Root wrote...

But I thought hackers only wanted to jailbreak the PS3 so that they could create home brew and run Linux on it.

They did, these hackers are not the same as those who wanted to restore Linux operation to the PS3. I said RESTORE because you see, it was Sony who put the functionality in it in the first place. Restoring features is a honorable cause and I highly doubt it was Geohot who did this. Likewise, Anon has said they didn't do this. Anon has always been proud to take credit for their deeds so I believe them. 

These are likely common internet criminals who pulled off  a large job. The target likely picked because of all the controversy surrounding Sony (ie, they knew people would point the finger at Geohot and/ot anon).

If they wanted to keep Linux then they shouldn't have accepted the update.  Sony warned that this feature would be removed so they have only themselves to blame for their own carelessness.

Then they lose PSN and possibly the ability to play new games that depend on future updates. So in other words, everyone was forced to lose a feature after they paid for it.

Are you ok with feature being removed AFTER you a buy a product?

[Garak2]

Turnip Root wrote...

The whole Linux thing is just a smokescreen anyways. Most people who hack the PS3 are only doing so so they can pirate games and cheat online.

I'm sure most could care less about Linux.

It's kind of like how PC gamers justify their piracy by saying it's all because of DRM.  Obvious BS if you look at DRM free games like World of Goo that got pirated to Hell despite being DRM free.

Ok, I see how it is with you, I am done arguing. Here's a tip though, the issue is not black and white.

[Turnip Root]

Using PSN is a privilege not a right. Sony owns it, not the PS3 owner. It's up to them to establish the rules and determine who gets to and who doesn't get to use it.

When you buy the PS3 you're not buying PSN. That is just a service that Sony provides to their consumers who actually follow the rules they agree to.

[chanlao]

Oh goodness, is it possible that with the information stolen (DOB, address name, etc) they could piece it together and get your ssn?

[Trapper_920]

Oh god I hope not chanlao, that thought is very frightening.

[RainyDayLover]

I'm more worried about identity theft seeing as how the hackers have every little piece of information you had filled out on PSN (including your name, email, date of birth etc.), and it turns out that information wasn't even encrypted like the credit card info.

[88mphSlayer]

Turnip Root wrote...

The whole Linux thing is just a smokescreen anyways. Most people who hack the PS3 are only doing so so they can pirate games and cheat online.

I'm sure most could care less about Linux.

It's kind of like how PC gamers justify their piracy by saying it's all because of DRM.  Obvious BS if you look at DRM free games like World of Goo that got pirated to Hell despite being DRM free.

there will always be people with more time than money, there's never been a solution to it whether it happens in the real world or in the digital world other than limiting damage

which is why people are at Sony's throat over this, doesn't matter if you're super aggressive against hackers if hackers can compromise your customers even more easily

Modifié par 88mphSlayer, 28 avril 2011 - 08:20 .

[Trapper_920]

RainyDayLover wrote...

I'm more worried about identity theft seeing as how the hackers have every little piece of information you had filled out on PSN (including your name, email, date of birth etc.), and it turns out that information wasn't even encrypted like the credit card info.

One artical I saw showed that the credit card info was sent in plain text, not sure which artical anymore. I think it was said that it was also sent from your PS3 everytime you loged in.

Modifié par Trapper_920, 28 avril 2011 - 09:10 .

[Anathemic]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Garak2 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Garak2 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

I'm so glad back in my console phase I only played XBox 360. Now I'm super glad I'm PC only, because when I get hacked I know it's due to my own ****.

Do you buy games online? Do you buy anything online?

If Steam got hacked would it be any different than this?  I guess I don't understand how giving a PC gaming company your CC info is any different than giving it to a console gaming company. Microsoft may get hacked next and then it could be Steam or EA. Ever buy any BioWare points?

No I don't buy anything online, all my games are physical copies. Steam can go suck it.

Ah yes I understand now.

In all seriousness, I feel sorry for all PSN users (to a degree) and wish misfortune upon the hackers. But my personal dislike for Sony tells me that they deserve this.

As for me being a PC gamer. Again if someone hacks me atleat I know it was due to my own ****** **** rather than other people's ****** ****.

My personal dislike for Microsoft tells me they deserve this doesn't mean it should happen.
My personal dislike for Justin Bieber tells me he deserves it.
My personal dislike for John Cena ect...

See how retarded that sounds?

Not really.

Listen, it's my opinion thus I stated "personal dislike." A forum is a place to state opinions.

Get off your high horse and stop being retarded.

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

Trapper_920 wrote...

RainyDayLover wrote...

I'm more worried about identity theft seeing as how the hackers have every little piece of information you had filled out on PSN (including your name, email, date of birth etc.), and it turns out that information wasn't even encrypted like the credit card info.

One artical I saw showed that the credit card info was sent in plain text, not sure which artical anymore. I think it was said that it was also sent from your PS3 everytime you loged in.

Eh, Sony commented on the credi card info recently and said it was encrypted. Make of that what you will. I'm inclined to believe it's encrypted.

[Godak]

DrunkDeadman wrote...

Eh, Sony commented on the credi card info recently and said it was encrypted. Make of that what you will. I'm inclined to believe it's encrypted.

Considering they have a court case coming up that accuses them of not doing enough to protect credit card information (I think...?), it would not be in their best interests to lie.

[Garak2]

What I have read is that:

- Credit card info was encrypted.
- The 3 digit security code was stored elsewhere reducing the effectiveness of stolen credit card numbers.
- User data was not encrypted.

So the biggest worry is identity theft. Still the encrypted data can be decrypted with time but without the security code....

Modifié par Garak2, 29 avril 2011 - 12:18 .

[Moondoggie]

Garak2 wrote...

What I have read is that:

- Credit card info was encrypted.
- The 3 digit security code was stored elsewhere reducing the effectiveness of stolen credit card numbers.
- User data was not encrypted.

So the biggest worry is identity theft. Still the encrypted data can be decrypted with time but without the security code....

There is not enough personal information to use for identity theft on it's own though the danger is from possible phishing scams used to extort the missing information. Hopefully nobody is that stupid.

The credit card numbers are missing expiry dates and security codes both of which are needed for online purchases. So unless you are dumb you are pretty much going to be fine.