Oh please how old are you? Do you not understand how the real world works? Sony did not get where they are by playing nice with everyone who causes them grief. They take threats to their interests very seriously and act accordingly as any large company would. In the real world we do not sit down together and have a nice chat over some gummy worms and all make friends i'm afraid.
I am probably older than you are. If you think it's ok for Sony to pull personal information because you made a donation or because you watched a video then we disagree. It's wrong when the cyber criminals break into Sony's servers and steal personal information and it's wrong when Sony uses high paid lawyers to convince a judge to let them do it too.
So you believe that when you buy a product it means you can do whatever you wish with it?
Yes, within the bounds of the law. You can modify a console to run homebrew, that's not illegal. You can modify a car to go 200 MPH too. If you go 200 MPH in a 55 MPH zone, that's illegal.
Say you created a games console and people decided "hey i want to put this mod chip inside it it will make it better" it could be used to play pirate games but you have no proof they are using it for that. What do you do? Im sure you would act to protect your work which you put time and money into.
Then you cannot take legal action against them. You cannot take legal action until a crime has been committed. Modifying your console is not a crime.
What if you created a painting and somebody bought it and then decided to deface that painting saying "it's mine i can do what i want with it since i bought it" would you not feel hurt that this person is defacing your art? Buying a product doesn't always mean you should be able to do what you want with it.
If I sold the painting, it is no longer mine. I have transferred ownership to the buyer. If they wish to deface it...legally there is nothing I can do about it.
If Sony doesn't want people using Linux on their consoles they have that right. It is their product. Sony doesn't tell you what to wear and how to style your hair. You choose that. Why can't they have the right to say what is used on their consoles?
First, Sony DID want people running Linux on the PS3. So once people bought it, it is legally questionable to take that feature away.
Second, No one can run Linux on PS3's that Sony owns and that's because those PS3's are sitting in a warehouse. Once sold, those PS3's belong to the buyer.
Look, maybe you think it's cool for Sony to change the rules and make your PURCHASE into a rental but I don't .
Here's how a purchase works: You take it to the counter, you pay for it and there is no return date. You even get to open the box yourself.
Here's how a rental works: You take it to the counter, you pay for it and there IS a return date and don't get to open the box yourself.
So, do you still think the PS3 is a rental?
Hackers like shortcuts. I can bet that the majority of them don't buy games. Maybe Geohot didn't crack it to pirate games but his methords can be used to pirate games plus he did something that isn't allowed in the licence agreement you sign when you purchase a PS3 hence it is illegal and a lawsuit followed.
I should ask your age if you think "not allowed in the EULA" = illegal.
The EULA is not legally binding UNTIL it is taken to court and tested, There was a case where a EULA was found to be legally binding but it only applied to the one case. There were other cases where it was not found to be legally binding. In other words, an EULA is not legally binding until it is tested in court. This one hasn't been. They had their chance to test it with the Geohot case....they chose not to pursue it. Wonder why? I think they were concerned they could lose and set an unfavorable (to them) precedent.
If "Your soul belongs to Sony if you bought this console" was put into the EULA, would that be legally binding just because it's in an EULA?
There is no such thing as a Point of Sale contract that doesn't require a signature. Did you sign anything when you bought a PS3, Wii or 360?
As for "Geohots method could be used to pirate". Ok shall we blame Nicholas Cugnot (he created the first car) for murders using cars? Shall we blame knife makers for those who use knives to murder? Shall we....need I go on?
They don't offer a legal way to run it because they don't want you to run it. That is their choice it is their product. You don't own the PS3 you own the right to use the PS3 just like when you buy a game it doesn't mean you own the game it doesn't belong to you and you have no legal rights to the game.
They don't want you to buy third party accessories either but they can't stop you. Yes, you DO own your PS3. That's how it works when you BUY something.
Imagine this, what if you bought an HP computer with Windows 7 and Microsoft (or HP) told you that you were not allowed to install certain programs on it or they told you that you couldn't install Linux? Would you be ok with that?
When you buy a game you own the disc and right to play that game. A right that cannot be taken from you. Remember the ****storm when EA denied access to that guys games because he was forum banned? Yeah...you buy them for permanent use and you can modify them (offline) if you wish. Wanna use a trainer? You can do that, it's your game. You don't have free rein on their servers but off the servers....
Remember the ****storm when Blizzard was banning people for using a trainer in single player? See, corporations will trample all over your rights...if you let them.
Not piracy but can be used for piracy and most likely would be by the very people fighting for the rights to use it.
So PC's should be banned since they are capable of piracy? It's the act of piracy that is illegal, not the machine nor methods that may enable it.
Ya know what's funny. It wasn't so long ago that Sony was fighting to justify it's production of dual cassette recorders and cd burners. Don't those enable piracy? See, even Sony agrees...enabling piracy does not mean you are encouraging, condoning or participating in piracy.
Modifié par Garak2, 30 avril 2011 - 03:02 .
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