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[88mphSlayer]

the only point to pre-ordering anyways is getting publishers to give a game a bigger marketing budget

guaranteeing you getting a copy is rubbish, there will always be copies available unless the game is published by Atlus or is for the DS, pre-ordering on Steam is even more laughable because the very reason people do it - to pre-load - isn't always available and the exact time and date that the game unlocks is up to the game publisher as well - if you pre-purchased Crysis 2 for example you still had to wait to download at the time everybody else got a chance to buy the game anyways

people pre-ordering for pre-order incentives is even dumber, it's the epitome of reinforcing bad behavior from publishers and developers, yet people would rather get up-in-arms over post-release DLC than realize that pre-ordering games is actually making things far worse than DLC

[Kilshrek]

88mphSlayer wrote...

the only point to pre-ordering anyways is getting publishers to give a game a bigger marketing budget

guaranteeing you getting a copy is rubbish, there will always be copies available unless the game is published by Atlus or is for the DS, pre-ordering on Steam is even more laughable because the very reason people do it - to pre-load - isn't always available and the exact time and date that the game unlocks is up to the game publisher as well - if you pre-purchased Crysis 2 for example you still had to wait to download at the time everybody else got a chance to buy the game anyways

people pre-ordering for pre-order incentives is even dumber, it's the epitome of reinforcing bad behavior from publishers and developers, yet people would rather get up-in-arms over post-release DLC than realize that pre-ordering games is actually making things far worse than DLC

I.. see.. and where did this knowledge come from? Out of genuine curiousity, since I'm obviously not privy to the movement of money in a publisher.

[88mphSlayer]

Kilshrek wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

the only point to pre-ordering anyways is getting publishers to give a game a bigger marketing budget

guaranteeing you getting a copy is rubbish, there will always be copies available unless the game is published by Atlus or is for the DS, pre-ordering on Steam is even more laughable because the very reason people do it - to pre-load - isn't always available and the exact time and date that the game unlocks is up to the game publisher as well - if you pre-purchased Crysis 2 for example you still had to wait to download at the time everybody else got a chance to buy the game anyways

people pre-ordering for pre-order incentives is even dumber, it's the epitome of reinforcing bad behavior from publishers and developers, yet people would rather get up-in-arms over post-release DLC than realize that pre-ordering games is actually making things far worse than DLC

I.. see.. and where did this knowledge come from? Out of genuine curiousity, since I'm obviously not privy to the movement of money in a publisher.

just reading articles over the years

[Imryll]

Personally, I pre-order because I want an ordinator figurine--or similar collector's edition item.

[Estelindis]

Mass Effect 3, definitely (my most anticipated game of all time). Any future DA game, probably (I enjoyed DA2 very much in spite of its flaws).

[AndarianTD]

Yes.

Just for the record, I want to express my disagreement with the premise of the thread starter. I haven't had time to finish DAII yet, but I have now played a substantial amount of it -- and so far, I consider it to be one of the best games they've ever produced. In particular, I emphatically disagree with most of the reasons for disparaging it that I've seen on the forums. What I see as the move toward simpler gameplay to allow for stronger cinematic and story-oriented development is something that I personally consider not a step backward, but a step forward, in the evolution of computer gaming.

Modifié par AndarianTD, 05 mai 2011 - 04:59 .

[Felix Golden]

Only Mass Effect 3...after that, no, I will wait to see the game and read some reviews and forums before buying it.

[AndarianTD]

Estelindis wrote...

Mass Effect 3, definitely (my most anticipated game of all time). Any future DA game, probably (I enjoyed DA2 very much in spite of its flaws).

Even though I haven't yet played ME2 (I'm still trying to find time to finish ME1 and DA2), I'm already inclined from what I've seen in ME1 and everything I've heard about ME3 to pre-order it. Bioware certainly isn't in any danger of losing a customer in me, even if I may be a bit behind in playing their games.

Modifié par AndarianTD, 05 mai 2011 - 05:07 .

[Bmeszaros]

ME3 will be the final pre order as far as Bioware goes for me, at least until a future for whatever is post-Mass Effect. No more DA preorders.

[diblob]

I was blindly faithful to Bioware when I purchased DA2, and that is a mistake I will not make again. I am still looking forward to upcoming Bioware games, but I will do much more research and read reviews before wasting money again. DA2 has certainly burned me.

[Haexpane]

AndarianTD wrote...

Yes.

Just for the record, I want to express my disagreement with the premise of the thread starter. I haven't had time to finish DAII yet, but I have now played a substantial amount of it -- and so far, I consider it to be one of the best games they've ever produced. In particular, I emphatically disagree with most of the reasons for disparaging it that I've seen on the forums. What I see as the move toward simpler gameplay to allow for stronger cinematic and story-oriented development is something that I personally consider not a step backward, but a step forward, in the evolution of computer gaming.

Well that is certainly aligned with the direction of Bioware.  Less gaming, more Movies.  

I guess that works for you and bioware. For us who wanted more game and less B movie, it doesnt sit so well, but that is a valid divide for sure.

[FubarCFSnafu]

Haexpane wrote...

AndarianTD wrote...

Yes.

Just for the record, I want to express my disagreement with the premise of the thread starter. I haven't had time to finish DAII yet, but I have now played a substantial amount of it -- and so far, I consider it to be one of the best games they've ever produced. In particular, I emphatically disagree with most of the reasons for disparaging it that I've seen on the forums. What I see as the move toward simpler gameplay to allow for stronger cinematic and story-oriented development is something that I personally consider not a step backward, but a step forward, in the evolution of computer gaming.

Well that is certainly aligned with the direction of Bioware.  Less gaming, more Movies.  

I guess that works for you and bioware. For us who wanted more game and less B movie, it doesnt sit so well, but that is a valid divide for sure.

Well Andarian,

I am gald that you are enjoying the game, however, as I stated in the original post, I felt that Bioware capitalized on the goodwill and fanbase to release a game that sold for $60.00. I actually did not ahve an issue per se with the game mechanics or the changes but how it was sold to us by the PR and the lead designer such as

"Your time will take place over 10 years", really what changed? if this was such an important aspect of the game then why not ahve the deatil to back it up, you could have run it straight through without the so calledyears and achieved the same result. But remember, this was to be a cornerstone of the sequel. Details which make a difference like the bodies in Fenris's house after 10 years. Buildings that were destroyred but still remain the same.

The reusing of the areas, this design team took it to a whole new level. How many times did you go through the same area with the same items in it. After one or two times, you knew where to go to get to the end of the quest. Going through an area and seeing the area of the mini-map you could not access until you started a new quest and then it opens up mysteriously.

These two items alone show that the developers either did not care, this was rushed and/or they did not think to request an extension to fix these items.

So yes, I felt I was burned, I could not wait for tis release and so I bought it without a second thought for the $60.00 because it was "Dragon Age II, the ackowledged sequel". However, from now on I will wait, the only positive thing from this experience is that I go ME2 for free. I played ME2 and I thought it was a great game, I then bought the DLCs and then bought ME1. ButDragon Age, I am done with it from now on, unless they change the design team.

[Captain_Obvious]

Yeah, I will definitely pre-order again. The minor issues (that are present in every game, including DA:O) that I didn't like don't break the game for me. Since the developer of every single game does not call me personally to include only what I want in a game, there will always be something that I don't like in a game. And that's just fine, because the gaming world does not revolve around me.

[Shadowwot]

My guess is I will always pre-order BioWare games. They may not be perfect but they are still better than everyone else.

[Haexpane]

FubarCFSnafu wrote...

 

Well Andarian,

I am gald that you are enjoying the game, however, as I stated in the original post, I felt that Bioware capitalized on the goodwill and fanbase to release a game that sold for $60.00. I actually did not ahve an issue per se with the game mechanics or the changes but how it was sold to us by the PR and the lead designer such as

"Your time will take place over 10 years", really what changed? if this was such an important aspect of the game then why not ahve the deatil to back it up, you could have run it straight through without the so calledyears and achieved the same result. But remember, this was to be a cornerstone of the sequel. Details which make a difference like the bodies in Fenris's house after 10 years. Buildings that were destroyred but still remain the same.

The reusing of the areas, this design team took it to a whole new level. How many times did you go through the same area with the same items in it. After one or two times, you knew where to go to get to the end of the quest. Going through an area and seeing the area of the mini-map you could not access until you started a new quest and then it opens up mysteriously.

These two items alone show that the developers either did not care, this was rushed and/or they did not think to request an extension to fix these items.

So yes, I felt I was burned, I could not wait for tis release and so I bought it without a second thought for the $60.00 because it was "Dragon Age II, the ackowledged sequel". However, from now on I will wait, the only positive thing from this experience is that I go ME2 for free. I played ME2 and I thought it was a great game, I then bought the DLCs and then bought ME1. ButDragon Age, I am done with it from now on, unless they change the design team.

I forgot about the "10 years" thing.  Nothing in the game feels like it was 10 years.

After act 1, when I finally saw bethany again, she was like "oh hey" and hawke was like "oh hey" ... WTF?

They introduce this whole "important family" aspect that ends up being nothing but a grumpy uncle's side quests.

[PsychoWARD23]

The second the Collector's Edition of ME3 gets announced I'm pre-ordering it.

[PsychoWARD23]

Darc_Requiem wrote...

Altima Darkspells wrote...

Is it wrong to want ME3 to be Awful McAwfulness so that the ME fans can feel the pain that is DA2?

Yes.

Especially since ME3 was planned as a trilogy from the start AND you use Shepard and friends for all 3 games, unlike Dragon Age 2. Oh, there was Anders, but.......

[aquaticidioticus]

FubarCFSnafu wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

AndarianTD wrote...

Yes.

Just for the record, I want to express my disagreement with the premise of the thread starter. I haven't had time to finish DAII yet, but I have now played a substantial amount of it -- and so far, I consider it to be one of the best games they've ever produced. In particular, I emphatically disagree with most of the reasons for disparaging it that I've seen on the forums. What I see as the move toward simpler gameplay to allow for stronger cinematic and story-oriented development is something that I personally consider not a step backward, but a step forward, in the evolution of computer gaming.

Well that is certainly aligned with the direction of Bioware.  Less gaming, more Movies.  

I guess that works for you and bioware. For us who wanted more game and less B movie, it doesnt sit so well, but that is a valid divide for sure.

Well Andarian,

I am gald that you are enjoying the game, however, as I stated in the original post, I felt that Bioware capitalized on the goodwill and fanbase to release a game that sold for $60.00. I actually did not ahve an issue per se with the game mechanics or the changes but how it was sold to us by the PR and the lead designer such as

"Your time will take place over 10 years", really what changed? if this was such an important aspect of the game then why not ahve the deatil to back it up, you could have run it straight through without the so calledyears and achieved the same result. But remember, this was to be a cornerstone of the sequel. Details which make a difference like the bodies in Fenris's house after 10 years. Buildings that were destroyred but still remain the same.

The reusing of the areas, this design team took it to a whole new level. How many times did you go through the same area with the same items in it. After one or two times, you knew where to go to get to the end of the quest. Going through an area and seeing the area of the mini-map you could not access until you started a new quest and then it opens up mysteriously.

These two items alone show that the developers either did not care, this was rushed and/or they did not think to request an extension to fix these items.

So yes, I felt I was burned, I could not wait for tis release and so I bought it without a second thought for the $60.00 because it was "Dragon Age II, the ackowledged sequel". However, from now on I will wait, the only positive thing from this experience is that I go ME2 for free. I played ME2 and I thought it was a great game, I then bought the DLCs and then bought ME1. ButDragon Age, I am done with it from now on, unless they change the design team.

^ This.  (At least the bolded portion)... you just didn't get the feel that you were in Kirkwall for ten years.  The lapses didn't have the effect I think the design team was shooting for and often made me feel like I wasn't jumping in time at all (Varric was my only reminder that we had).  I think this is one of those instances where *some* of the design team and writers just were not a perfect fit for the project (on top of the short cycle time between DAO and DA2).  I still like the game, don't get me wrong, and if it had been a project by a company other than BW it most likely would have gotten a better rating with me... but the fact remains, this was a BW title (even though backed by EA) and, for me, was held on a higher scale than most other companies and games (the quality that we have come to expect from them).  I will still give it a 7/10 and will still pre-order from BW... just with more research and less blind faith next time around.  Here's to hoping ME3 will be fantastic!

[FubarCFSnafu]

I just hope now that ME3 is being pushed back for a wider audience, it will not fall victim to what was done for DA2. Afterall they were going for a larger audience too.

[youngzman]

Personally, I didn't find DA2 as revolting as people thought it was. That being said,I'll give DA one more chance [one more preorder] and if they mess up, I'll save my money.

[Kilshrek]

I'd have to break my fingers and toes in the effort of crossing them, hoping that ME 3 will not be "streamlined" (yes, in recent games streamlining has become a dirty word, deal with it) because ME 3 will be the decider for me on future Bioware titles.

[TEWR]

Yes, but not out of blind faith or anything. So I can get it the day it comes out and then give my two cents on what worked and what didn't. It's so I can enjoy the game for the story, and if I don't enjoy the story that was given I make my own that works on paper.

I love DA2. it's a good game, but it still has flaws. It's moved some things in the right direction, but those things need tweaking. It could've had an epic story if it wasn't rushed for development. The combat is for the most part perfect, save for 2 handed warriors and maybe dagger wielding rogues and that enemies are using the same style of combat as Origins with maybe a 1-2% attack speed increase.

One person had the audacity to say I have low standards in video games because I love DA2 despite me saying it was still flawed. Apparently me liking something he/she didn't means I have no taste in video games. No, it means I can appreciate something without being blind to the pitfalls it suffers from.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 08 mai 2011 - 04:47 .

[CalJones]

ME3 is being pushed back because it has too much competition (from other games) during the pre-Christmas period, plus SWTOR is scheduled for a pre-Christmas ship and I'm guessing that EA doesn't want to be marketing two big games at once. EA wants ME3 shipped by the end of that financial quarter (March 31st) instead. Hopefully the extra months will help, but it's about timing, not extra polish.

[Shazzie]

...Doubtful.

BioWare is the only company I blindly, religiously pre-ordered from.... heck, nearly the ONLY company I EVER pre-ordered from. As much as I am.... well, was... looking forward to ME3, I'm incredibly nervous about pre-ordering now, so it might be the first BioWare game I don't pre-order.

I can't say it's a definite 'no', but I certainly lack the confidence to say 'yes'.

[Yuqi]

No