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[DarknessxVega]

@ AlanC9

"Because you'd like the universe to work that way is not a sufficient answer."<-- i think that applies to you more than it does me. You seem to be the one that wants to keep "your universe" your way.

I know A LOT of people that would buy it if they could play co op. Also, you have no way to prove that a smaller profit margin would result from adding co op. The brand is what makes the sales, then positve reviews sustain the sales.

[Vena_86]

Lost Planet 2

[Ace of Dawn]

DarknessxVega wrote...

One more thing,

why do people keep saying that resources are taken away from making the main game. that is up to the developer. Making co op does not necessarily equate to less of an experience in the main game. Things like that do happen but that is the developer making the call.

Well yeah, but in the end, any sort of resources spent on co-op are still resources spent on something other than the main story. To say the game would suffer would be wrong for the most part. But with that said, the resources spent on co-op could be used on the campaign. No game is perfect, but if you have the resources available, you can get pretty close, so why not refine what everyone who was going to buy the game for anyway?

On top of that, I have nothing from Bioware that proves they can do multiplayer all that well. The Old Republic has been generating enough negative buzz that it makes a guy wonder. They're solid when it comes to RPGs, past that, I don't know, and I don't want them to add a feature that may not be done well and bring down the overall value (not to say the game would suck because of it, but imagine getting a nice Lambourghini, but there is wooden rear-spoiler attached. It just could have done without). And part of the feel of Mass Effect is having control over your Squadmates. At this point, it would almost feel out of place. Now if it were in ME1 or even ME2, and reasonably well done, that would be a different story. But at this point, it would be odd.

Also, while co-op wouldn't effect "your" story since it's "your" Shepard, what about your friends. Them playing essentially has no consequence. They can't really do anything without, and are heavily reliant on your progress. It wouldn't be quite as fun for them. (I'm honestly thinking an even more limited version of Fable 2's co-op).

And while yes, it would be optional, if in the end a majority of people really don't play it, it defeats the point. Saying that it is optional, to me, does not make it okay. It's more or less conceding that it wouldn't get much use out of it and would be there to minority's amusement.

Though this is of course my opinion. If it did come with co-op, I would be more than willing to play it a few times if it was beyond awful or otherwise. But it would be a gimmick to me. I'd mute my partner because they're talking through the story. And if we had differing intentions...

[Terrible One]

I am perfectly fine with Mass Effect 3 being like the first two, and single player only. I enjoy having a game that I can just sit down and play by myself, make my own decisions and go at my own pace. In a good RPG there should be lots of traveling, exploring, discovery, dialogue, even some crafting, and great combat. The combat part is the only part that fits well with coop, all the other parts would be such a bore to sit through, playing follow the leader with whoever is playing shepherd, as they explore every nook, collect some codex, chat with a random NPC, play a gambling machine, or dance it up on the dance floor.

They could release DLC that is spin off coop firefight oriented missions, or a VS multiplayer that isnt part of the story and that would work out very well. They could even implement your friends into conversations well.  One part of ME conversations that I dislike is the fact that Shepherd has this group of trusted friends he needs to help him with his quest, but then he goes and has hundreds of essentially private conversations while his friends sit idly by watching. Sometimes they share a few words but its nothing more than comments on your conversation. When my friends and I are having a Real Life conversation with someone, I don't sit there and talk 99% of the time while they watch, we have actual group discussions. For example, Shepherd is heading a conversation with his pals playing Tali and Garrus, at many points Tali and Garrus are going to want to add their voice to the conversation, and this is where those players would have their own dialogue wheel to choose from. Shepherd is the leader so he would direct the conversation, but the other players could add their support, hesitance, or opposition to the topic without it turning into a war. That may even sway the player voicing shepherd into making different decisions. This CAN be done and has potential for tons of fun.

Modifié par Terrible One, 13 juin 2011 - 05:48 .

[AlanC9]

DarknessxVega wrote...

@ AlanC9

"Because you'd like the universe to work that way is not a sufficient answer."<-- i think that applies to you more than it does me. You seem to be the one that wants to keep "your universe" your way.

I'm saying only that they shouldn't spend any money on this. You're the one who wants to spend money, so you're the one who has to make a case. Which I guess you're attempting to do here....

I know A LOT of people that would buy it if they could play co op. Also, you have no way to prove that a smaller profit margin would result from adding co op. The brand is what makes the sales, then positve reviews sustain the sales.

It's pretty incoherent, but you seem to be saying that co-op would produce enough additional sales to pay for itself.

If so, I wouldn't have an objection. But I don't think it's so.

[Asari Commando]

if anything MP would be way easier for them to impliment than co-op. it would just seem sloppy in my opinion, i just cant imagine them adding co-op without it looking clunky. you have all those dialogue tree scenes, and the second player is basically robin to your batman. i suppose it could work, but i couldnt see it happening smoothly.

would much rather have some sort of MP for the game. have each player create a profile with desired class/weapons/wtv, then rank up as XP is gained from matches/mission. squads of say 3-4 people against eachother, with team chat and real-time spell casting (no freeze wheel). really it wouldnt be that hard to add, and bioware have talked about possibly adding a MP to ME3.

[Severyx]

This is Shepard's story and Shepard's alone. 'Nuff said.

[DarknessxVega]

[quote]AlanC9 wrote...

[quote]DarknessxVega wrote...

@ AlanC9

"Because you'd like the universe to work that way is not a sufficient answer."<-- i think that applies to you more than it does me. You seem to be the one that wants to keep "your universe" your way. [/quote]

[quote]I'm saying only that they shouldn't[color=rgb(0, 0, 255)"> (<](ARE YOU AND EA STOCK HOLDER?? [/color]) [/u]You're the one who wants to spend money, so you're the one who has to make a case. Which I guess you're attempting to do here....[/quote]

You obviously do not understand how business works. Do you know what ROI is? There are metrics that help a company determine what business risk to take. Do you own any investments? If you do you should understand the concept which states: It takes money to make money. See the following list:

"Forty-two games sold 1 million or more units in 2010, and of those, 27 were E or E10+; three were Teen and 12 were mature," Frazier explained. Let's take a look at the ten best-selling games in the United States in 2010, and highlight the ones that were rated Mature.[list=1][*]Call of Duty: Black Ops[/i][*]Madden NFL 11[*]Halo: Reach[*]New Super Mario Bros. Wii[*]Red Dead Redemption[*]Wii Fit Plus[*]Just Dance 2[*]Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2[*]Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood[*]NBA 2K11[i]
Look at the M rated games. All of them are MP. You think Bioware is not aware of this? I am sure the want a piece of the MP pie. 

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I know A LOT of people that would buy it if they could play co op. Also, you have no way to prove that a smaller profit margin would result from adding co op. The brand is what makes the sales, then positve reviews sustain the sales.
[/quote]

[quote]It's pretty incoherent, but you seem to be saying that co-op would produce enough additional sales to pay for itself.

If so, I wouldn't have an objection. But I don't think it's so.   [/quote] [b]You seem to read your ideas into what other people write. What I said is that YOU have no way to know if MP would make money for the franchise. YOU have no way to prove it. That is what I said... Just like I cannot pretent to know that MP would make money for the franchise. Hello!!!!!

IMO you argument is a waste of time. 

Modifié par DarknessxVega, 14 juin 2011 - 12:23 .

[DarknessxVega]

Severyx wrote...

This is Shepard's story and Shepard's alone. 'Nuff said.

It would only be optional. In fact, if it was offered I would probably choose to play the first couple of times alone. 

[DarknessxVega]

Terrible One wrote...

I am perfectly fine with Mass Effect 3 being like the first two, and single player only. I enjoy having a game that I can just sit down and play by myself, make my own decisions and go at my own pace. In a good RPG there should be lots of traveling, exploring, discovery, dialogue, even some crafting, and great combat. The combat part is the only part that fits well with coop, all the other parts would be such a bore to sit through, playing follow the leader with whoever is playing shepherd, as they explore every nook, collect some codex, chat with a random NPC, play a gambling machine, or dance it up on the dance floor.

They could release DLC that is spin off coop firefight oriented missions, or a VS multiplayer that isnt part of the story and that would work out very well. They could even implement your friends into conversations well.  One part of ME conversations that I dislike is the fact that Shepherd has this group of trusted friends he needs to help him with his quest, but then he goes and has hundreds of essentially private conversations while his friends sit idly by watching. Sometimes they share a few words but its nothing more than comments on your conversation. When my friends and I are having a Real Life conversation with someone, I don't sit there and talk 99% of the time while they watch, we have actual group discussions. For example, Shepherd is heading a conversation with his pals playing Tali and Garrus, at many points Tali and Garrus are going to want to add their voice to the conversation, and this is where those players would have their own dialogue wheel to choose from. Shepherd is the leader so he would direct the conversation, but the other players could add their support, hesitance, or opposition to the topic without it turning into a war. That may even sway the player voicing shepherd into making different decisions. This CAN be done and has potential for tons of fun.

Excellent post!!, and great imagination. With regards to the conversation aspect I had the same thoughts, it would add another dimension to the game that has never been done before. If that could be implemented then it would not be as boring to play follow the leader. For example, in a situation where there is a potential face off your co op players could be prompted to perform renegade/paragon actions similar to what was going on with Saeed when they went after santiago haha.  

I for one would not mind playing follow the leader because I enjoy the game so much. Given the chance to use at will or under the guidance of Shepard powers like Kasumi's shadow strike or Grunt's Krogan bull rush (or whatever is called hehe) would be worth the waiting around. Ideally they should alllow to drop in or out at will. 

Thanks for adding to the conversation. 

[DarknessxVega]

Asari Commando wrote...

if anything MP would be way easier for them to impliment than co-op. it would just seem sloppy in my opinion, i just cant imagine them adding co-op without it looking clunky. you have all those dialogue tree scenes, and the second player is basically robin to your batman. i suppose it could work, but i couldnt see it happening smoothly.

would much rather have some sort of MP for the game. have each player create a profile with desired class/weapons/wtv, then rank up as XP is gained from matches/mission. squads of say 3-4 people against eachother, with team chat and real-time spell casting (no freeze wheel). really it wouldnt be that hard to add, and bioware have talked about possibly adding a MP to ME3.

I have to agree with you at this stage MP would be quite feasible and cleaner than adding Coop. I just really trust Bioware to make a good product and any type MP or Co op implementation would be done well. 

Thanks for posting.!

[AlanC9]

D_a_V,since you botched the quotes back there I'm only going to respond to this bit:

You seem to read your ideas into what other people write. What I said is that YOU have no way to know if MP would make money for the franchise. YOU have no way to prove it. That is what I said... Just like I cannot pretent to know that MP would make money for the franchise. Hello!!!!!

Right. You don't know. So you've got no case for MP except that you'd personally like to see it. Of course , you started to make an argument that all the mature games have MP, or something like that, but if you're going to make that argument then you should actually make it.

Modifié par AlanC9, 14 juin 2011 - 03:43 .

[DarknessxVega]

AlanC9 wrote...

D_a_V,since you botched the quotes back there I'm only going to respond to this bit:

You seem to read your ideas into what other people write. What I said is that YOU have no way to know if MP would make money for the franchise. YOU have no way to prove it. That is what I said... Just like I cannot pretent to know that MP would make money for the franchise. Hello!!!!!

Right. You don't know. So you've got no case for MP except that you'd personally like to see it. Of course , you started to make an argument that all the mature games have MP, or something like that, but if you're going to make that argument then you should actually make it.

here is the part you missed
I'm saying only that they shouldn't(<--- THAT IS INCOHERENT you should try this: I am only saying they shouldn't) spend any money on this.(ARE YOU AN EA STOCK HOLDER??) You're the one who wants to spend money, so you're the one who has to make a case. Which I guess you're attempting to do here....

LOL dude you crack me up! LOL 
so dense

Modifié par DarknessxVega, 14 juin 2011 - 04:24 .

[JamieCOTC]

Severyx wrote...

This is Shepard's story and Shepard's alone. 'Nuff said.

This. 

Do I have to bring my "keep multiplayer the hell away from ME3" sig out again? 

*sigh* 

[DarknessxVega]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Severyx wrote...

This is Shepard's story and Shepard's alone. 'Nuff said.

This. 

Do I have to bring my "keep multiplayer the hell away from ME3" sig out again? 

*sigh* 

yea why don't you.. i would like to see it.

[78stonewobble]

Well I wouldn't like to play the entire the game as coop but...

Combat though CAN work really good with another players by your side.

Say if you're having trouble with a mission and the npc squadmates doesn't help you enoug it would be nice to have a coop option and bring in a helper.

Overall this isn't really necessary and at it's heart it is a single player experience but I think my example would be a nice "extra" feature.

[Nicodemus]

The last good game I played with Co-op was System Shock 2. They had the right idea in that the story of the game was suitable for both single player and Co-op, however the main thing about the game was that there was no attachment to the character you were playing.

ME cannot do a proper Co-op because the game story is too diverse and we are into the 3rd game. At heart ME is a single player game, we play Shepard and for a lot of people playing as anything but Shepard wouldn't be fun.

System Shock 2 made the right move in making the game slightly impersonal, that way when it came to playing it in Co-op mode you weren't playing second fiddle to someone who "had" to be the star of the game. There is nothing wrong with having a Co-op mode, but it has to be done in a game where there is limited attachment to the character you are playing, otherwise it's just 1 big mess waiting to happen.

Let the Shepard story finish as it started, single player. If the fans demand a Co-op or multiplayer game, then let Bioware make a game designed to be that, not force a square peg into a round hole in ME3 and then lose your fan base.

[sissysouthpaw]

I would love to co-op but like others have said, it would be difficult to implement in a story-driven, conversation-heavy game like ME.

[Chuvvy]

jakal66 wrote...

Nah..doesn't need it...although Splinter cell conviction had a great coop...too bad the rest of the game sucked ...

But really I don't think we need a coop system

Why did I even play that game? I'm glad I didn't buy it.

[Vez04]

Oh great, let's resurrect a Hope that likely won't happend before ME3 was released months ago.

Modifié par Vez04, 14 juin 2011 - 07:29 .

[DarknessxVega]

Thanks every one for posting, yea even you AlanC9

To Vez04, its just conversation, nothing more. I am not expecting any kind of MP with ME3. (would i welcome it? HELL YEA). Some other posters have made some good points about adding it as some sort of DLC. Which would not be a bad idea for people like me who would like to see Bioware flex their creative muscle in the realm of MP.



I trust Bioware to always deliver a top quality product.
I am sure you would agree with that.

[DarknessxVega]

sorry for those who are agains co op in ME3 it appears that Bioware DOES WANT A PIECE OF THE MP PIE ( im takling to you AlanC9 hehehe)
for those who are interested here is the link.. but then again it could be pure pure gossip enjoy!!!

http://www.gameinfor...ayer-co-op.aspx

[ZJR7621]

How come your house wasn't bombed by an AC-130 like mine was when I mentioned co-op?

[DarknessxVega]

ZJR7621 wrote...

How come your house wasn't bombed by an AC-130 like mine was when I mentioned co-op?

LOL

I dunno man... have you read parts of the thread? 

[The Grey Ranger]

Yeah that would be real fun, my buddy can sit there and watch while I listen to the dialog and pick my responses(and sometimes reload a save and do it again). Sounds like a about as much fun as a poke in the eye with a sharp stick. ME3 should stay single player. If they want to do a co-op game on the franchise fine, but not on ME3.