If you look at my prerelease posts, I had high hopes fir this game defending it whenever possible because of how many time laidlaw reassured origins fans that it would be great and a true sequel to origins, I love how he changed his tune once we got our hands on the game and became upset, mr laidlaw please do not insult origins or it's fans' mental capacity for change, we have no problem with change as long as it's not found in a disease ridden compost heap
So all our fears from when the game was announced came true...
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Posté 27 avril 2011 - 03:09
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[Edit: Fughedaboutit. No point arguing.]
Well ****, we may as well close the whole forum down.
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Posté 27 avril 2011 - 03:11
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Actually, my fears were rather placated after I played the game. When I heard about the game (a number of things leaked) and played the demo, I was regretting having pre-purchased it. When I received it and started playing, I couldn't put it down the whole weekend. It was so engrossing, and I finished it through a speed run (*speed run* = still 30 hours).
Is it polished? No, unfortunately, there's quite a few flaws with the game. But it's still a great game, and I was pleasantly surprised. I loved the characters and story, and that's what really made the game for me. Some doubts were confirmed, yes (such as with the re-used environments). However, it was mostly a positive experience for me.
My apprehensions have mostly disappeared and I gladly swallow my previous, overly-negative feelings.
My respect and understanding also goes up for the game when I see the DA team participating in the forums and talking with us forum goers, despite all the negativity and toxic responses. The DA team has the chutzpah to take time out of their busy day to come onto the BSN and justify changes to the game, regardless if we agree with them or not.
Is it polished? No, unfortunately, there's quite a few flaws with the game. But it's still a great game, and I was pleasantly surprised. I loved the characters and story, and that's what really made the game for me. Some doubts were confirmed, yes (such as with the re-used environments). However, it was mostly a positive experience for me.
My apprehensions have mostly disappeared and I gladly swallow my previous, overly-negative feelings.
My respect and understanding also goes up for the game when I see the DA team participating in the forums and talking with us forum goers, despite all the negativity and toxic responses. The DA team has the chutzpah to take time out of their busy day to come onto the BSN and justify changes to the game, regardless if we agree with them or not.
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Posté 27 avril 2011 - 03:15
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I expected it to be horrible, I enjoyed it more then any BW game except for BG2, KOTOR and DAO. I prefer the cast in the game, just wish the game was not rushed out, was more polished and Mike was not LD.
I loved DA2.
I loved DA2.
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Posté 27 avril 2011 - 04:07
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Some of my fears weren't realized. The voiced PC was done well, so it was tolerable even though I prefer unvoiced. And I was afraid we'd get Isabela knockers on the female PC + mage clothing to suggest your staff could double as a pole. Neither of these fears materialized.
On the down side, I did expect a much shorter game with less replayability and that was definitely the case.
On the down side, I did expect a much shorter game with less replayability and that was definitely the case.
#32
Posté 27 avril 2011 - 04:25
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I think the game is awesome and I like most of the changes a lot. There, my vote cancels out yours, ta-da.
Yup. Now all you have to do is buy a million copies of DA2 and you'll have completely cancelled out the failure. By all means, if you have the money to blow.. go for it.
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Posté 27 avril 2011 - 04:39
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I never had any fear, hell I had never even been on Bioware forums. I had the game preordered and ready to rock out (still high on origins) plugged that beast in and was underwhelmed. I came here to get 60 dollars worth of ****ing.
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Posté 27 avril 2011 - 04:58
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^I think ****ing about the flop has been the only thing redeeming about the game, which is sad because I wanted it to be the amazing game they had told us about, but I guess I'll have to wait for mass effect 3 to get a good experience from bioware this year
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Posté 27 avril 2011 - 05:06
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They lied to you. Sucks but that's how things went down in the end. Now instead of reassurance us that it's 'like' Origins we're being told off because keep 'compareing' it to Origins.
Don't ask, it doesn't make sense at all but that's what is happening.
Don't ask, it doesn't make sense at all but that's what is happening.
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Posté 27 avril 2011 - 06:49
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It wasn't bad, it's just kinda...Meh.
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Posté 27 avril 2011 - 07:16
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It's very interesting how some people including the moderator refuse to allow the OP his own opinion.......without attempting to dismiss his thoughts as something other than what they are. Is it possible that maybe, just maybe he didn't like the game because of...the game? What's the point of all the excuses? If this is how he feels, who can tell him he is wrong? Are his feelings less valid than those who enjoyed this game?
If I was disappointed with the game, and I was, I don't need anyone to tell me how I should think and feel about it or what I should or shouldn't have expected. A host of excuses. What for? Everything from improper difficulty settings and age, to being biased and unable to except change. Since when does a game need that many explanations and justifications? JEEZ!! For me, a good game speaks for itself and doesn't need defensive spin or ridiculous excuses.
The first screenshots of this game looked like trouble to me...so cold and barren. The game itself proved to be more of the same. So I understand exactly where the OP is coming from.Would I try to convince someone with the opposite opinion to dislike the game because I did? No. So why do so many others try to tell anyone who wasn't satisfied that they are biased, too old, crazy, outdated, etc?
I didn't hate it. But it just wasn't nearly as complete, as polished, as good, as I had hoped it would be.
If I was disappointed with the game, and I was, I don't need anyone to tell me how I should think and feel about it or what I should or shouldn't have expected. A host of excuses. What for? Everything from improper difficulty settings and age, to being biased and unable to except change. Since when does a game need that many explanations and justifications? JEEZ!! For me, a good game speaks for itself and doesn't need defensive spin or ridiculous excuses.
The first screenshots of this game looked like trouble to me...so cold and barren. The game itself proved to be more of the same. So I understand exactly where the OP is coming from.Would I try to convince someone with the opposite opinion to dislike the game because I did? No. So why do so many others try to tell anyone who wasn't satisfied that they are biased, too old, crazy, outdated, etc?
I didn't hate it. But it just wasn't nearly as complete, as polished, as good, as I had hoped it would be.
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Posté 27 avril 2011 - 08:28
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If ME3 is anything like ME2, that won't happenMad-Max90 wrote...
^I think ****ing about the flop has been the only thing redeeming about the game, which is sad because I wanted it to be the amazing game they had told us about, but I guess I'll have to wait for mass effect 3 to get a good experience from bioware this year
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Posté 27 avril 2011 - 09:55
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The OP thought he wouldn't like the game before it was released, and doesn't like it now.
I thought I would like it before it was released but be annoyed if BW didn't release a toolset ... funny thing that confirmation bias
I thought I would like it before it was released but be annoyed if BW didn't release a toolset ... funny thing that confirmation bias
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Posté 27 avril 2011 - 10:50
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Stanley Woo wrote...
See confirmation bias. That explains a lot. the rest of it is to be expected and well within the big bell curve of like and don't like.
Which clearly applies to your own post.
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Posté 27 avril 2011 - 10:56
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This is entertaining, complaints right and left.
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Posté 27 avril 2011 - 11:41
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I thought i'd like it. I don't know if i do or don't. It's not close enough to Origins for me to view this as a step forward. I probably won't ever replay it and DLC can go up Biowares ass IMO, It's gonna be just as Disconnected from the original main character as the Origins DLC was anyway.
Why would i want Lel's song, Darkspawn chronicles, GoA and which hunt. Sure, they're nice. But i'd have loved to have some DLC more intertwined with the original Origins campaign since that's make more sense. Same with Awakening. If they'd just changed it about to fit the original campaigh with the original cast, no one would be pissed at all about anything. An expansion should expand the game, not unhinge it.
Am i not right in assuming that when you want to play through origins, you can't do Awakening very well if you died. They could have avoided all of this if they just had common sense when designing this ****. Wow am i offtopic. I guess the gist of my rant is that something really bad must have happened sometime between when the games Alpha was done 2007-ish and when DA2 production commenced March 2009 (No! Not EA). Someone left the ****heads in control and it seems that they're wholly unable to create a coherent experience. Not only is Origins split into 5 mini-games, DA2 hasn't even got an ending.
sorry, i'm ranting bad here. Guess i had to get it out. I just wanted a game where i get ONE whole story and any expansions expand upon THAT adventure instead of ruining the original story by disregarding my personal canon. Production values have taken a serious dip and no one has an organized vision. My warden should have ONE story and it should have ended at the Arch-demon and any DLC should have been happening before this showdown so i'd have ONE story.
DA2 shoud have been a WHOLE story, not just the first half. Where the hell is my climax? where's the lategame gone? Are you going to sell me this or are you gonna provide me with 5 disconnected Hawke Chronicles from his childhood? Or Ander's tale?
Don't reply, just please let me vent and move on. Nothing to see here, i just forgot to participate in each of the 5 earlier ****storms for each product. Please bear with me while i take a massive **** everywhere.
Why would i want Lel's song, Darkspawn chronicles, GoA and which hunt. Sure, they're nice. But i'd have loved to have some DLC more intertwined with the original Origins campaign since that's make more sense. Same with Awakening. If they'd just changed it about to fit the original campaigh with the original cast, no one would be pissed at all about anything. An expansion should expand the game, not unhinge it.
Am i not right in assuming that when you want to play through origins, you can't do Awakening very well if you died. They could have avoided all of this if they just had common sense when designing this ****. Wow am i offtopic. I guess the gist of my rant is that something really bad must have happened sometime between when the games Alpha was done 2007-ish and when DA2 production commenced March 2009 (No! Not EA). Someone left the ****heads in control and it seems that they're wholly unable to create a coherent experience. Not only is Origins split into 5 mini-games, DA2 hasn't even got an ending.
sorry, i'm ranting bad here. Guess i had to get it out. I just wanted a game where i get ONE whole story and any expansions expand upon THAT adventure instead of ruining the original story by disregarding my personal canon. Production values have taken a serious dip and no one has an organized vision. My warden should have ONE story and it should have ended at the Arch-demon and any DLC should have been happening before this showdown so i'd have ONE story.
DA2 shoud have been a WHOLE story, not just the first half. Where the hell is my climax? where's the lategame gone? Are you going to sell me this or are you gonna provide me with 5 disconnected Hawke Chronicles from his childhood? Or Ander's tale?
Don't reply, just please let me vent and move on. Nothing to see here, i just forgot to participate in each of the 5 earlier ****storms for each product. Please bear with me while i take a massive **** everywhere.
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Posté 27 avril 2011 - 12:05
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I, too, was afraid of some of the changes, but, prior to DA2's release, I thought I had come to the point where I was willing to accept whatever changes were made.
Thing is, it wasn't just the changes that were bad, it's also, IMHO, the game as a whole.
The story could have been very good, if not great, but it was executed very poorly.
The lack of exposition, esp. for your family members, and/or lack of interaction with other 'key' NPCs led to my asking myself, "why should I care about them?".
The lack of establishing shots (or shots/cutscenes to give a sense of scale for the city and it's surroundings and/or make it feel more 'alive') for Kirkwall also didn't help, and was one of many elements, IMHO, that lead to a 'disconnect' (but it really is, primarily, the way the story was executed).
So, I don't think it was because I was 'expecting' to be disappointed by the game that I am disappointed...
It's because, I think, the game, in its current state, seen objectively, even without seeing it as a sequel to DA:O (which, come on, is practically impossible anyway), is a disappointing game.
Sure some parts where enjoyable, and I did WANT to enjoy it (otherwise, I wouldn't have pre-ordered then bought it...), but...as a whole, I'm left thinking: "disappointing", "waste of so much potential" and other similar thoughts. *shrugs*
That said, I still think the game is 'salvageable'...BioWare, fix the game please.
Free 'Enhanced Edition' please
('fix' plot, fill 'gaps'/improve transition between acts, add more exposition, adds establishing shots/flyovers of Kirkwall + Free Marches, 'fix' over re-used areas, tweak/remove combat 'waves', remove/tweak 'MMO-style' boss fights, tone down combat pace, remove/greatly tone down exploding bodies, bring back kill animations, make the city feel more alive, etc.)
Thing is, it wasn't just the changes that were bad, it's also, IMHO, the game as a whole.
The story could have been very good, if not great, but it was executed very poorly.
The lack of exposition, esp. for your family members, and/or lack of interaction with other 'key' NPCs led to my asking myself, "why should I care about them?".
The lack of establishing shots (or shots/cutscenes to give a sense of scale for the city and it's surroundings and/or make it feel more 'alive') for Kirkwall also didn't help, and was one of many elements, IMHO, that lead to a 'disconnect' (but it really is, primarily, the way the story was executed).
So, I don't think it was because I was 'expecting' to be disappointed by the game that I am disappointed...
It's because, I think, the game, in its current state, seen objectively, even without seeing it as a sequel to DA:O (which, come on, is practically impossible anyway), is a disappointing game.
Sure some parts where enjoyable, and I did WANT to enjoy it (otherwise, I wouldn't have pre-ordered then bought it...), but...as a whole, I'm left thinking: "disappointing", "waste of so much potential" and other similar thoughts. *shrugs*
That said, I still think the game is 'salvageable'...BioWare, fix the game please.
Free 'Enhanced Edition' please
('fix' plot, fill 'gaps'/improve transition between acts, add more exposition, adds establishing shots/flyovers of Kirkwall + Free Marches, 'fix' over re-used areas, tweak/remove combat 'waves', remove/tweak 'MMO-style' boss fights, tone down combat pace, remove/greatly tone down exploding bodies, bring back kill animations, make the city feel more alive, etc.)
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Posté 27 avril 2011 - 03:51
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cljqnsnyc wrote...
It's very interesting how some people including the moderator refuse to allow the OP his own opinion.......without attempting to dismiss his thoughts as something other than what they are. Is it possible that maybe, just maybe he didn't like the game because of...the game? What's the point of all the excuses? If this is how he feels, who can tell him he is wrong? Are his feelings less valid than those who enjoyed this game?
If I was disappointed with the game, and I was, I don't need anyone to tell me how I should think and feel about it or what I should or shouldn't have expected. A host of excuses. What for? Everything from improper difficulty settings and age, to being biased and unable to except change. Since when does a game need that many explanations and justifications? JEEZ!! For me, a good game speaks for itself and doesn't need defensive spin or ridiculous excuses.
The first screenshots of this game looked like trouble to me...so cold and barren. The game itself proved to be more of the same. So I understand exactly where the OP is coming from.Would I try to convince someone with the opposite opinion to dislike the game because I did? No. So why do so many others try to tell anyone who wasn't satisfied that they are biased, too old, crazy, outdated, etc?
I didn't hate it. But it just wasn't nearly as complete, as polished, as good, as I had hoped it would be.
Not one is shootinghim down... yet.
To tell the truth Bioware had had never ever said that DA2 was the same as DAO. since they started talking about this game, it was made very clear it was an ACTION RPG. the OP forgot to mention or compleatly ignore it.
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Posté 27 avril 2011 - 04:49
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Huntress wrote...
cljqnsnyc wrote...
It's very interesting how some people including the moderator refuse to allow the OP his own opinion.......without attempting to dismiss his thoughts as something other than what they are. Is it possible that maybe, just maybe he didn't like the game because of...the game? What's the point of all the excuses? If this is how he feels, who can tell him he is wrong? Are his feelings less valid than those who enjoyed this game?
If I was disappointed with the game, and I was, I don't need anyone to tell me how I should think and feel about it or what I should or shouldn't have expected. A host of excuses. What for? Everything from improper difficulty settings and age, to being biased and unable to except change. Since when does a game need that many explanations and justifications? JEEZ!! For me, a good game speaks for itself and doesn't need defensive spin or ridiculous excuses.
The first screenshots of this game looked like trouble to me...so cold and barren. The game itself proved to be more of the same. So I understand exactly where the OP is coming from.Would I try to convince someone with the opposite opinion to dislike the game because I did? No. So why do so many others try to tell anyone who wasn't satisfied that they are biased, too old, crazy, outdated, etc?
I didn't hate it. But it just wasn't nearly as complete, as polished, as good, as I had hoped it would be.
Not one is shootinghim down... yet.
To tell the truth Bioware had had never ever said that DA2 was the same as DAO. since they started talking about this game, it was made very clear it was an ACTION RPG. the OP forgot to mention or compleatly ignore it.
That's part of the problem though. For me, even as an action rpg, it still doesn't work. The problems I had with it are there no matter how this game is classified. Nothing changes. As I stated, had the game been more complete and polished, no matter what anyone expected it to be, the game itself would have proven its case. For me, it did no such thing. An uneven game is an uneven game no matter what color it may be painted.
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Posté 27 avril 2011 - 05:40
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I expected a great game. And all I got was an enormous disappointment.
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Posté 27 avril 2011 - 05:47
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Stanley Woo wrote...
See confirmation bias. That explains a lot. the rest of it is to be expected and well within the big bell curve of like and don't like.
Isn't it a bit different when you actually look for information about a particular subject (like the game "Dragon Age 2") or actually experience this subject yourself (like playing "Dragon Age 2").
Or are you really trying to say: "Your empirical experience is wrong?" Because that would be absolute stu....
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Posté 27 avril 2011 - 06:57
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Personally I thought the game would be good despite all the rumors. I even pre-ordered it.
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Posté 27 avril 2011 - 07:01
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Khayness wrote...
Even the 7 gigs=shorter flamewar is justified now.
It isn't shorter, it just looks the same.Stanley Woo wrote...
See confirmation bias. That explains a lot. the rest of it is to be expected and well within the big bell curve of like and don't like.
Nice double-edged sword there.
Play it on Hard or suck it up Princess.
They used a super effective compressing program! That's why the game is missing so many gigabytes
