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[simonc4175]

JasonPogo wrote...

So remember back when Bioware first  announced DA2.  We all came on here and started crying at how bad it looked and how horrible all the new ideas and changes sounded.  Then Bioware people like Gaider and Laidlaw came on the forums and did there best to tell us that our fears are unfounded and the game will be very much like Origins and that we should not jump to conclusions.


Well sadly all I can say is I just can't trust Bioware anymore when they talk up their games.  Seems my gut reaction was indeed true.

I can't say that a video game scares me.  Since I didn't follow the pre-release hype then I didn't have any "fear" of which you mention.

[Tommy6860]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

See confirmation bias.

Which is why we should always measure things to determine whether we like them.

I've been saying this for years.

And I agreee with you totally, but.....

Except Stanley's wiki link is non sequitur to what most complaints are regarding the differences between the style and game play of the two games. I most certainly didn't have some preconcieved thought on what DA2 should be from a story arc, art style or having the same exact effects on my vision of Dragon Age world taht was Fereldan. What I did expect was what they advertised and packaged the game as an RPG, while they attemtped to assuage those who posted their fears from the experiences of the demo, as their fears were unsubstantiated.

Assuaged that I was coming from those at Bioware, none if this was true from their end for "my" experience" and it was to my dismay in the end product. I thought the demo was really bad, yet I continued on with my pre-order based on their statements to alleviate those fears. All they had to do was market it for what it plays as, that being an action/adventure game so I could make a proper decision if this is what I want form the Dragon Age experience I had already with Origins. It's not the game where it literally is advertised that I can shape the world. I feel they mislead me and that is not hyperbole, nor ad hominem that I exude in my statement here.
 
From their DA2 site, this is what the game advertises from the first bullet point:

"Embark upon an all-new adventure that takes place across an entire decade and shapes itself around every decision you make."

Did it really do this at all, did I really shape anything as an RPG would mostly allow for the genre?

Seriously, the only thing I feel I have in common with the "confirmation bias" is that from my experiences from previous Bioware game releases, if that can be counted as such. I do think that some who did post their biases towards the game, may very well be based on those who already posited their experiences here and elsewhere and used those reasons as an excuse. But there are those who truly had an expectation, bought the game and really felt burned. There are those who didn't buy the game because they already have their definitions of what an RPG is to them, and they rightfully and correctly passed on the game based on their own preferneces, that DA2 was not the game it was marketed to be. I would hardly call that "confirmation bias".

[VanTesla]

The game came out worse than I feared...

[Everwarden]

aftohsix wrote...

You have full control of your bowels d-bag?

Aww.. is widdle Timmy having a hard time arguing with the grown-ups? 

[neppakyo]

Everwarden wrote...

aftohsix wrote...

You have full control of your bowels d-bag?

Aww.. is widdle Timmy having a hard time arguing with the grown-ups? 

I have problems with my bowels. I poop too much

[Maria Caliban]

I was worried there would be no same-sex romance.

Later, I was worried it would be another generic 'save the world from hordes of evil' plot.

My fears failed to come true! Shame on you BioWare!

[Ariella]

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

See confirmation bias. That explains a lot. the rest of it is to be expected and well within the big bell curve of like and don't like.

So I assume you also anticipated the metascore to be within the low eighties? 

Or having to create a new forum to bypass some complaints?

Bundling Mass Effect 2 to sell more copies?

The 33% reduction in price on Amazon?

You also neglect to mention all the outlets that reviewed the game and gave between 8.5 and 9.7 out of 10.

Or the fact that it wasn't complaints but spammed pictures and other nonsense making the forum nearly unusable that caused Bioware to decided to create a registered users general forum. If they were trying to get rid of complaints, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

As for the other two, with gasoline and food stuffs reaching all time highs and an economy that's in the toilet, you do think ANY luxury goods outlet is going to try and do what they can to buy their product?

Witcher 2 has been reduced 10% even before it comes out on Steam, does that mean it sucks, and CDRed has no confidence in the game. No, it means they're trying to compete in a shrinking market.

I also see a DA2 price reduction on the PC version on Amazon at only 10% not 33% (49.94 down from 59.95) and the Xbox version is only down to 53.31 from 59.95. Not exactly huge come downs like you claim.

http://www.amazon.co... age 2"&x=0&y=0

http://www.amazon.co... age 2"&x=0&y=0

As for the PS3, same price as the Xbox version.

http://www.amazon.co... age 2"&x=0&y=0

And just because I'm a thorough person, I also checked Best Buy and EB Games/GameStop. Both are selling new copies for 59.95 USD on all platforms.

[Anyroad2]

JasonPogo wrote...

So remember back when Bioware first  announced DA2.  We all came on here and started crying at how bad it looked and how horrible all the new ideas and changes sounded.  Then Bioware people like Gaider and Laidlaw came on the forums and did there best to tell us that our fears are unfounded and the game will be very much like Origins and that we should not jump to conclusions.


Well sadly all I can say is I just can't trust Bioware anymore when they talk up their games.  Seems my gut reaction was indeed true.

I didnt have any fears for DA2 and I even played an early version of the demo back at ComicCon last year. It didnt change much from then.

Also, I really enjoy DA2 and like I've said over these forums a few times already...Its not as good as DAO was for me, but I'd rather be playing this than most other games on the market at the moment.

[Elite Midget]

Have they even released a mod kit for pc?

[Saint Nomore]

I think there is some validity to the fact that it is more of a departure from DAO than they made it sound like. . . having said that it is still a fantastic game, just different. . . do I wish they made an upgraded more epic RPG along the lines of DAO definitely and I think they still could (will they or wont they who knows) but that is the great thing about taking a story arc in an entirely different direction like this. They can go back and continue the story from DAO with a more similar RPG style and also go with a more action adventure base along this story arc. so this opens up possibilities for them to create multiple games in the same world with a different feel for different players. The question is now will they do that ehh who knows but for my money either way Bioware still consistently delivers better than any other game producer out there right now.

[Maria Caliban]

I picked up the Signature Edition from Amazon for $49.95. Amazon is now selling the regular edition for $59.95 and giving people a 10% discount, which lowers it to $49.99.

It's a massive savings of negative four cents.

[JamesMoriarty123]

Stanley Woo wrote...

See confirmation bias. That explains a lot. the rest of it is to be expected and well within the big bell curve of like and don't like.

I really don't think that applies. Given that EVERYTHING the OP said is true. We were actually told it was going to be like Origins, and not such a great departure from the format, etc, etc. All bull****. What we got was a mediocre game with no replay value.

Damn shame...the more I think about it, the more I realise how much I actually DIDN'T enjoy DA2 and how lacklustre the game was.

[Upset Goldfish]

Stanley Woo wrote...

See confirmation bias. That explains a lot. the rest of it is to be expected and well within the big bell curve of like and don't like.

This is a rather cheeky thing to say, Stanley.  Regardless of the fact that it is indeed a double-edged sword, as has already been pointed out, taking an elitist view over the fanbase that buys the games isn't really the way to go about defending the game. YOu've opted for the "Well you're only seeing what you want to see" approach, and I'm a little disappointed to see that.

I'm ok with DAII. There were some great improvements in there, but at the same time there were some things that would have benefitted from staying as they were in DA:O.

At the end of the day, these are just opinions, but there's no need to go around calling out people on theirs in a way that makes them seem wrong. Their opinions are their own.

[Elhanan]

^ Right; the OP presentation has nothing to do with anything....

[Zeevico]

Stanley Woo wrote...

See confirmation bias. That explains a lot. the rest of it is to be expected and well within the big bell curve of like and don't like.

This post confirmed by bias in favour of confirmation bias. Luckily this affirmed my pre-existing bias against making snap judgements. I'm of two buttocks as to why though.

Modifié par Zeevico, 28 avril 2011 - 09:23 .

[Xaxton]

i kinda want to know what bio ware was thinking with this, all and all the game really cant stand on its own feet it has no plot great game play and gross reuse of enviroementals.. soo bioware felt bad and let everyone have a free copy of ME2.. and then the new dlc ... are you guys up there even trying anymore?

[bri193]

Ariella wrote...

And just because I'm a thorough person, I also checked Best Buy and EB Games/GameStop. Both are selling new copies for 59.95 USD on all platforms.

No, you are not a thorough person...

DA2 - €16.49 (http://www.play.com/...-2/Product.html)
This 50% less than release price ...

And another
Gameplay Price £20.98
RRP £49.99
Save £29.01
http://shop.gameplay...price=&x=53&y=7

I could go on ...

Modifié par bri193, 28 avril 2011 - 09:39 .

[LordPaul256]

Stanley Woo wrote...

See confirmation bias. That explains a lot. the rest of it is to be expected and well within the big bell curve of like and don't like.

Wow.  Please don't toss around psychological ideas like that to dismiss someone's arguments.  The opinion of psychology is already pretty low in North America due to a number of social and political factors, but using terms you've passingly acquired as a unreproachable conclusive argument only lends credence to the idea that people are using psychological method as a means to their own ends. 

Thank you. 

[TheRaj]

Stanley Woo wrote...

See confirmation bias. That explains a lot. the rest of it is to be expected and well within the big bell curve of like and don't like.

I bought the game without reading reviews and without playing demos. I did it just because I liked DA:O.

I was disappointed in it too, despite having only positive preconceptions. And there are many on these forums like me. I think you should rethink the confirmation bias theory. Its possible he didn't like the game because, for him, it wasn't very good.

I'm also not sure where you get your bell curve of like/don't like from as well. Its pretty clear that it was not as well liked as most of the better Bioware games so you should probably rethink your statistical analysis. I would be genuinely interested if you have some data that gives a 'how much you liked it' distribution. I think it would be horrendously skewed for a start, with extreme negative reactions and more moderate positive reactions. And if you did have a curve it would be more constructive to compare it to another Bioware title as a benchmark. I don't think your statement in itself means very much.

Confirmation bias can work both ways, especially when it comes to interpretation of statistical data to justify your own product. 

[LyndseyCousland]

Khayness wrote...

Even the 7 gigs=shorter flamewar is justified now.

It isn't shorter, it just looks the same.

Stanley Woo wrote...

See confirmation bias. That explains a lot. the rest of it is to be expected and well within the big bell curve of like and don't like.

Nice double-edged sword there.

Play it on Hard or suck it up Princess.

LordPaul256 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

See confirmation bias. That explains a lot. the rest of it is to be expected and well within the big bell curve of like and don't like.

Wow. 
Please don't toss around psychological ideas like that to dismiss
someone's arguments.  The opinion of psychology is already pretty low in
North America due to a number of social and political factors, but
using terms you've passingly acquired as a unreproachable conclusive
argument only lends credence to the idea that people are using
psychological method as a means to their own ends. 

Thank you. 

TheRaj wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

See confirmation bias. That explains a lot. the rest of it is to be expected and well within the big bell curve of like and don't like.

I bought the game without reading reviews and without playing demos. I did it just because I liked DA:O.

I
was disappointed in it too, despite having only positive
preconceptions. And there are many on these forums like me. I think you
should rethink the confirmation bias theory. Its possible he didn't like
the game because, for him, it wasn't very good.

I'm also not
sure where you get your bell curve of like/don't like from as well. Its
pretty clear that it was not as well liked as most of the better Bioware
games so you should probably rethink your statistical analysis. I would
be genuinely interested if you have some data that gives a 'how much
you liked it' distribution. I think it would be horrendously skewed for a
start, with extreme negative reactions and more moderate positive
reactions. And if you did have a curve it would be more constructive to
compare it to another Bioware title as a benchmark. I don't think your
statement in itself means very much.

Confirmation bias can work
both ways, especially when it comes to interpretation of statistical
data to justify your own product. 

Exactly x 3

Especially on the double-edged sword sentiments. I also agree it was a rather cheeky way to put across his point.

[FedericoV]

Stanley Woo wrote...

See confirmation bias. That explains a lot. the rest of it is to be expected and well within the big bell curve of like and don't like.

Well, maybe I don't get it but it would be very wrong for you to dismiss all the criticism as some form of confirmation bias. I defended Bioware during the development of DA2. I supported your view. I fight on those forums because I thought you were saying the truth about the short dev cycle and the overall quality of DA2. But having played the game, I'm not so enthusiast about the final result, I have fun with DA2 but it's not your best game and honestly I would not advise the game to a friend if not on a 50% discount.

So, it appears to me that the people who were saying that you were rushing the release were right while I was wrong. I was wrong to believe you. It seems very wrong to me to adress anything as confirmation bias or like/dislike. DA2 has some serious flaws.

[Russalka]

Some did, a lot didn't. But that's just me.

[Merchant2006]

[aftohsix]

Pathetic. Many of you bash Stanley for being "cheeky." What term would you use to describe the general tone of many of your posts in any number of the 8,000 "I hat diz game" threads?

I suppose "cheeky" is the most polite term I can think of... Though it's not what I'd use to describe you.

[MonkeyLungs]

aftohsix wrote...

Pathetic. Many of you bash Stanley for being "cheeky." What term would you use to describe the general tone of many of your posts in any number of the 8,000 "I hat diz game" threads?

I suppose "cheeky" is the most polite term I can think of... Though it's not what I'd use to describe you.

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