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[InfiniteCuts]

Murmillos wrote...

You know.. I would have tolerated the end boss fight more if this was more specificly implied during the fight/revealing.

Shepard: EDI, what the hell am I looking at - this looks nothing like a reaper we've seen.
EDI: Shepard, after scanning the Collectors Database, I've determined that this is the core - the living "soul" in sense, of a reaper.  On completion, a battle shell would then be build around this contruct.


Maybe they do say it.. but my brain goes to to epileptic seizures when ever I get to that point of the game.

Pretty much this.  The whole concept of Terminator baby as the eventual 'core' of a reaper was not one I'd considered until reading that article and would have changed my entire perception of it.  It's a pretty cool concept actually... one I think BioWare should have ellaborated on a little.

Modifié par InfiniteCuts, 27 avril 2011 - 11:55 .

[R3MUS]

didymos1120 wrote...

R3MUS wrote...

Razagon wrote...

Nazara is what he called himself among the Geth. Sovereign was just a name Saren came up with to show his power.

So Nazara is it's real name? What the Reapers call themselves? One name/word from their Reaper language?

No, just Sovereign. As Legion said: "Nazara. That was what the programs within the Reaper called themselves. "

A common speculation is that "Nazara" was the name of the species that was turned into Sovereign.

So if the Human Reaper was not destroyed but instead completed, it's name would had been "Human"? If following  that common speculation.

[Anacronian Stryx]

R3MUS wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

R3MUS wrote...

Razagon wrote...

Nazara is what he called himself among the Geth. Sovereign was just a name Saren came up with to show his power.

So Nazara is it's real name? What the Reapers call themselves? One name/word from their Reaper language?

No, just Sovereign. As Legion said: "Nazara. That was what the programs within the Reaper called themselves. "

A common speculation is that "Nazara" was the name of the species that was turned into Sovereign.

So if the Human Reaper was not destroyed but instead completed, it's name would had been "Human"? If following  that common speculation.

Perhaps "******"

[R3MUS]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

R3MUS wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

R3MUS wrote...

Razagon wrote...

Nazara is what he called himself among the Geth. Sovereign was just a name Saren came up with to show his power.

So Nazara is it's real name? What the Reapers call themselves? One name/word from their Reaper language?

No, just Sovereign. As Legion said: "Nazara. That was what the programs within the Reaper called themselves. "

A common speculation is that "Nazara" was the name of the species that was turned into Sovereign.

So if the Human Reaper was not destroyed but instead completed, it's name would had been "Human"? If following  that common speculation.

Perhaps "******"

Hahaha

[rubyreader]

Razagon wrote...

LOL. Machines don't grow. It's a metaphor. The embryo is the 3rd stage of the new life. It's the first stage where you see beginning of shaping although no organs are shaped. Organs like the skin, bones and muscles if you see what I mean.

Just in case if someone still doesn't get it. No exoskeleton.

Still would be a point of why it looks nothing like Sovereign. I mean sure embryos don't exactly look like a full grown person but that's a far less of a stretch from a nominal humanoid turning into a cuttlefish. I mean maybe Shep is busy I get that, but I would probably have asked that next.

[Razagon]

Shepard asks only important questions like
"How do we kill it?"
"But Shepard it's a ..."
"Who cares what it is, tell me how to kill it."
"Shoot the tubes."
"Thank you."

[Eterna]

I understood exactly what I was killing when I fought the terminator baby, it's really not hard to figure it out.

[Darkhour]

didymos1120 wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Legion said that the consciousnesses within Soveriegn were not AI programs and they fact that a reaper can control the Rachni mentally, without any tech, by yelling over the "astral plane" (i.e higher dimension).

They did use tech on the rachni: indoctrination. The queen just puts things strangely. Also, Legion did say they were programs: "Nazara. That was what the programs within the Reaper called themselves."

Isn't there is a part where he says that the geth, when in communion with Nazara, discovered that their programs were something different than an AI's. Where Reapers are many individual personalities with one unified will, Geth is basically one individual who is perpetually seperating parts of itself and then reconstituting itself. The impression I got was that the geth Dyson Sphere would be to the geth what a reaper is to an organic. Or perhaps my mind is making up false memories. Legion also compares baseline organics to programs stating emotions (and/or personailities) are software.

I could consider Indoctrination mere tech (I do do believe the signal coming from the ship is particial tech) if all it did was scramble brains and make people susceptable to suggestion, but it does alittle more than that. It imparts specific ideals and motivations.  I could be wrong, but based on the scientist in the derelict reaper I'd surmise that even if Saren preached an anti-reaper doctrine to Benezia she would still have turned out to be a reaper thrall. I think the tech in the ship dissolves the veil between "high spaces" and the "low spaces".

The Rachni indoctrination is another situation that place it above mere tech, The Queen says that a tone from space twisted all the other queen's voices without physical proximity. I recall it being mentioned that the queens were deep inside the caverns of their worlds. Seeing as the reaper in question spoke to them in their own language of color in the "high spaces" I have to assume it was no any technology involved.  If it was then why wouldn't the reapers simply indoctrinate every other race from a distance.

Furthermore, how does a mere machine absorb the essence of a species? I can throw as many fish guts into my computer as I want, but it will never absorb the essence of fish no more than me metabolizing fish flesh imparts me any special insight into fishhood. Again, I could be wrong and it could be careless writting, but I think there is a spiritual angle to the Reapers. Otherwise the obsession over organic matter is... well, a nonsesnsical plot device.

[Tripedius]

I'm fine with the ' driver' or 'core' theory. Reapers look like the species they reaped, but then fuse with a big shell to make them the reaper-cuttlefish we always see. it's kind of like EDI who is a processorcore, but also - to some extent - the Normandy. Or you could see Joker as the ' core' of the Normandy. Both different design, but both the Normandy and the exterior doesn't change.
Shame though BW made this up as they went along, cause it would have been great to see the reapercore of different species when you get the chance, like in the derelict reaper.

As to were the reapers come from, they were probably built by some species and took over. Much like the geth - quarani and the quitessons and the transformers. Ofc this also means which story will be next after ME3, we will have destroyed the reapers only to come face to face with the race that built them = new enemy.

[Tripedius]

R3MUS wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

R3MUS wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

R3MUS wrote...

Razagon wrote...

Nazara is what he called himself among the Geth. Sovereign was just a name Saren came up with to show his power.

So Nazara is it's real name? What the Reapers call themselves? One name/word from their Reaper language?

No, just Sovereign. As Legion said: "Nazara. That was what the programs within the Reaper called themselves. "

A common speculation is that "Nazara" was the name of the species that was turned into Sovereign.

So if the Human Reaper was not destroyed but instead completed, it's name would had been "Human"? If following  that common speculation.

Perhaps "******"

Hahaha

In a conversation the species of the universe are being discussed. The intellegent ones are refered to as the 'sapient species'  aka ' the sapiens', meaning ' wise' or ' knowing people'. This makes all humans ' ******'s' as it is we are the ' ****** sapiens'. I found it a good joke.

[NM_Che56]

The Reapers wait millennia to harvest the species which exemplifies superiority and dominance. They use the genetic material gatherd from the harvest to construct the reaper. Then they choose the individual that represents the pinnacle of that species evolution to be the main entity that turns the reaper into a functional and sentient being. The Overlord DLC sheds light into this concept of a master controller serving as the central consciousness of a machine.

[MalcolmM]

Master Che wrote...

The Reapers wait millennia to harvest the species which exemplifies superiority and dominance. They use the genetic material gatherd from the harvest to construct the reaper. Then they choose the individual that represents the pinnacle of that species evolution to be the main entity that turns the reaper into a functional and sentient being. The Overlord DLC sheds light into this concept of a master controller serving as the central consciousness of a machine.

Well, now we know why ME3 is the end of Shepard's story.

[moneycashgeorge]

 So many ridiculous misunderstandings on this thread……

 

First off, any one who still thinks that the end boss of ME2
would have eventually become a space terminator like the maid ship from
Spaceballs is ignoring the completely obvious. Its called a “larva”.  It’s clearly not even close to being in its
final form.

 

Its rather obvious that the Reaper creation process works
somewhat like this;

 

1. A species is selected. In ME2, we hear harbinger dismiss
every other species for various reasons like the Asari’s dependence on other
species and the Krogan’s genophage affliction. The main point of ME2’s reaper
plot is that, because of Shepard’s achievements, the Reapers have selected
Humans as the best candidate for Reaperfication.

 

2. A genetic sample must be taken. This was not explained
very well in the game, but the “human goo” is clearly not a building material
as is commonly understood, but a specimen on which the design can be based.

 

What reapers appear to be “reaping” is the final result of
millions of years of random evolution in organisms. They seek to constantly
perfect themselves by assimilating new designs into their collective, so they
use natural selection as a kind of “inspiration” for their new membership.

 

They want this “human” reaper to represent the collective
properties of the human race, so they are taking a large sample. Similarly to
how a survey will ask, say, 10,000 people their opinions to ascertain the
opinions of a much larger population, the reapers need a large amount of DNA to
replicate the entire genetic diversity of humanity

 

3. They “grow” it. This is what was happening at the end of
ME2. The boss fight took place inside of a giant Reaper womb, against a little
Reaper fetus.

 

4. As the Reaper “matures”, it becomes incased in a larger,
cuttlefish like, “shell” that facilitates its defense, weapons, life support,
and interstellar transportation. Its’ like a quasi-tortoise phenomenon. The
actual pseudo-organism retains the likeness of its derivative species, but it
is also inextricably linked to its shell, and the shell grows out of it, thus
the variations among the shells of the reapers we have seen.