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[Rurik_Niall]

When it comes to controls, yes. Defences add difficulty to the game and are really only an issue on higher difficulties, if you don't like it you can turn it down. The Mako's crappy controls add fake difficulty to the game, unlike the previous example this is a bad thing and cannot be circumvented by turning down the difficulty. Be it easy or insanity the Mako still controls like a brick on wheels.

[Lunatic LK47]

Rurik_Niall wrote...

When it comes to controls, yes. Defences add difficulty to the game and are really only an issue on higher difficulties, if you don't like it you can turn it down. The Mako's crappy controls add fake difficulty to the game, unlike the previous example this is a bad thing and cannot be circumvented by turning down the difficulty. Be it easy or insanity the Mako still controls like a brick on wheels.

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[Ahglock]

Rurik_Niall wrote...

When it comes to controls, yes. Defences add difficulty to the game and are really only an issue on higher difficulties, if you don't like it you can turn it down. The Mako's crappy controls add fake difficulty to the game, unlike the previous example this is a bad thing and cannot be circumvented by turning down the difficulty. Be it easy or insanity the Mako still controls like a brick on wheels.

Or maybe you just need to learn to play.  Because the Mako controls were not that bad.  

[Lunatic LK47]

Ahglock wrote...

Rurik_Niall wrote...

When it comes to controls, yes. Defences add difficulty to the game and are really only an issue on higher difficulties, if you don't like it you can turn it down. The Mako's crappy controls add fake difficulty to the game, unlike the previous example this is a bad thing and cannot be circumvented by turning down the difficulty. Be it easy or insanity the Mako still controls like a brick on wheels.

Or maybe you just need to learn to play.  Because the Mako controls were not that bad.  

What's next, blaming defective car parts on driver error?

Addendum: Check the platform I own Mass Effect 2 for to give you a clue.

Modifié par Lunatic LK47, 30 avril 2011 - 07:26 .

[Weiser_Cain]

I wonder if the people complaining played on Xbox, because it was fine on PC.

[Lunatic LK47]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

I wonder if the people complaining played on Xbox, because it was fine on PC.

Where else do you think the complaints came from?

[Seboist]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

I wonder if the people complaining played on Xbox, because it was fine on PC.

PC version still suffered from rubber ball physics and not being able to target things at a low elevation.

[JaegerBane]

Rurik_Niall wrote...

When it comes to controls, yes. Defences add difficulty to the game and are really only an issue on higher difficulties, if you don't like it you can turn it down. The Mako's crappy controls add fake difficulty to the game, unlike the previous example this is a bad thing and cannot be circumvented by turning down the difficulty. Be it easy or insanity the Mako still controls like a brick on wheels.

Come on Rurik, I can see the point when claiming the Mako's controls were frustrating for some people, but to claim they actually 'added difficulty' is blatantly silly. The sole enemy on the battlefield that posed any challenge whatsoever were the Threshers, and they were fine once the player got used to them. Whatever 'fake difficulty' was added, it made so little change that it was virtually invisible.

There's no logical difference between this and the addition of defences - claiming that it's different just because you find yourself on the side who didn't like it is pointless. You didn't like it, end of story. It didn't somehow become some sort of objectively-titled problem that everyone must abide by because the 'majority' says so.

[Lunatic LK47]

JaegerBane wrote...


When it comes to controls, yes. Defences add difficulty to the game and are really only an issue on higher difficulties, if you don't like it you can turn it down. The Mako's crappy controls add fake difficulty to the game, unlike the previous example this is a bad thing and cannot be circumvented by turning down the difficulty. Be it easy or insanity the Mako still controls like a brick on wheels.

Uh, did you check the Rurik's HTMLed link. The Mako fit this category in every single way for the 360 (i.e. Bad controls.)

[JaegerBane]

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...


When it comes to controls, yes. Defences add difficulty to the game and are really only an issue on higher difficulties, if you don't like it you can turn it down. The Mako's crappy controls add fake difficulty to the game, unlike the previous example this is a bad thing and cannot be circumvented by turning down the difficulty. Be it easy or insanity the Mako still controls like a brick on wheels.

Uh, did you check the Rurik's HTMLed link. The Mako fit this category in every single way for the 360 (i.e. Bad controls.)

I did, actually. In fact I'd have to question whether you clicked it, as it literally mentions that frustrations don't necessarily make 'fake difficulty'. I mean, if you found jumping over Thresher Maw acid shots to be 'difficult', then the problem certainly wasn't anything to do with the Mako controls, as doing so needed a single button press timed properly. To be honest that article isn't really concerning stuff as straightforward as vehicle controls, as it mentions requiring unrelated skills and making uninformed decisions, none of which are relevant to Mako's control issues.

If your argument was that the 360 controls weren't up to scratch, see my previous comments. I can't comment on them. I can only speak for PC.

Modifié par JaegerBane, 30 avril 2011 - 02:59 .

[Ahglock]

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

Ahglock wrote...

Rurik_Niall wrote...

When it comes to controls, yes. Defences add difficulty to the game and are really only an issue on higher difficulties, if you don't like it you can turn it down. The Mako's crappy controls add fake difficulty to the game, unlike the previous example this is a bad thing and cannot be circumvented by turning down the difficulty. Be it easy or insanity the Mako still controls like a brick on wheels.

Or maybe you just need to learn to play.  Because the Mako controls were not that bad.  

What's next, blaming defective car parts on driver error?

Addendum: Check the platform I own Mass Effect 2 for to give you a clue.

The first place I played ME1 was on the xbox and while it was worse than the PC it was not that bad.  Was it good,no.  Was it horrible, no.  I drove around fine in the Mako and hell just testing it a few minutes ago I still drove around fine with the Xbox controls.  Could it be better hell yeah, should it have been removed hell no.  

[Rurik_Niall]

JaegerBane wrote...

I did, actually. In fact I'd have to question whether you clicked it, as it literally mentions that frustrations don't necessarily make 'fake difficulty'. I mean, if you found jumping over Thresher Maw acid shots to be 'difficult', then the problem certainly wasn't anything to do with the Mako controls, as doing so needed a single button press timed properly. To be honest that article isn't really concerning stuff as straightforward as vehicle controls, as it mentions requiring unrelated skills and making uninformed decisions, none of which are relevant to Mako's control issues.

If your argument was that the 360 controls weren't up to scratch, see my previous comments. I can't comment on them. I can only speak for PC.

And a thresher would be considerably easier with proper controls that allow you to properly strafe it and fire on it at the same time. Something as simple as an auto-targeting turret would have made a considerable difference, I've got two squad mates at any given time surely one of them is smart enough to operate a turret while I'm busy avoiding being killed.

[AlanC9]

Ahglock wrote...

Or maybe you just need to learn to play.  Because the Mako controls were not that bad.  

Says a PC player. It's mostly the XBox players who have control issues, isn't it?

Yeah, you played on an XBox, but you didn't have to live with it.

Modifié par AlanC9, 30 avril 2011 - 05:20 .

[Weiser_Cain]

Seboist wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

I wonder if the people complaining played on Xbox, because it was fine on PC.

PC version still suffered from rubber ball physics and not being able to target things at a low elevation.

Those aren't control issues.

[mcsupersport]

As a PC player I found the Mako controls to be fine. You can strafe, circle shoot, and hit most targets as long as they weren't close and directly below you, just as I would expect a "tank" to be. The only real issue I had was that it drove like a toy remote control car, instead of a "tank". Most of the complaints I have read about "driving over mountains" is because people think too straight line, instead of looking at the map and planning alternate routes to go AROUND those steep sections. I also wished the guns and armor could be upgraded so that late game, it was still more effective than my personal guns, unlike how it is now, when at high levels it is actually faster to get out of the heavy weapon carrying vehicle and fight on foot.

The changes needed to make the Mako a really good vehicle are:
1) Get rid of the bouncy ball physics.
2) Tweek the controls so they are better(for Xbox, pc is fine if physics are fixed).
3) Improve the variety of landscapes to drive through.
4) Allow weapon and armor upgrades through the game to keep it's power balance.
5) Get rid of the XP penalty for killing enemies inside the Mako.
6) Make the jump jets last longer and self stabilize so you can do better jumping.

[Ahglock]

AlanC9 wrote...

Ahglock wrote...

Or maybe you just need to learn to play.  Because the Mako controls were not that bad.  

Says a PC player. It's mostly the XBox players who have control issues, isn't it?

Yeah, you played on an XBox, but you didn't have to live with it.

Until it came out on PC I did, and it isn't like I got it on PC day one.  I got it on PC when I noticed it on steam.  I "lived" with it for probably 2 years and at least 5 playthroughs.  It just wasn't that bad.  About the only times I got frustrated was when I tried to climb an absurd mountain for a gold node or something.  

[JaegerBane]

Rurik_Niall wrote...
And a thresher would be considerably easier with proper controls that allow you to properly strafe it and fire on it at the same time. Something as simple as an auto-targeting turret would have made a considerable difference, I've got two squad mates at any given time surely one of them is smart enough to operate a turret while I'm busy avoiding being killed.

Let's be realistic here, Rurik. A armoured tank that can strafe and fire at the same time with auto-targeting is about as far away from a challenge as you can get without just making it invincible. How many other games offer a vehicle with all this? Really? Your logic here would claim that *all* vehicles in this type of game have 'terrible' controls that 'sucked'.

I mean, what you've just described above is a Hammerhead with Mako-grade armour and shields. Do you honestly think this would have worked with the kind of enemies you see from the Mako in ME1?

[Rurik_Niall]

The Hammerhead with the Mako's armour and shields and seeker missiles that actually seek would be just about ideal. Superior controls, good defences, yes please. Hell I'd settle for half the Mako's defences, as long as I can easily outmaneuver enemies I can get by with a tank made of glass.

[AngelicMachinery]

Rurik_Niall wrote...

The Hammerhead with the Mako's armour and shields and seeker missiles that actually seek would be just about ideal. Superior controls, good defences, yes please. Hell I'd settle for half the Mako's defences, as long as I can easily outmaneuver enemies I can get by with a tank made of glass.

I absolutely agree.

[JigPig]

I had no problem with the Mako's controls (PC) and I don't see how anyone did. The console version, maybe, but I don't play inferior systems.

[Ahglock]

Rurik_Niall wrote...

The Hammerhead with the Mako's armour and shields and seeker missiles that actually seek would be just about ideal. Superior controls, good defences, yes please. Hell I'd settle for half the Mako's defences, as long as I can easily outmaneuver enemies I can get by with a tank made of glass.

That would be a sweet ride.  But I got to say the Xbox did not change my fights much if at all in the mako.  Against threshers I stayed still shooting and then jumped its spit, when it went under ground I'd move around and hope it did not surface under me.   In most other fights I'd set up a long range position shoot with max mag and drive forward/back to dodge the occaisoanl shot.  If ambushed by geth I'd run away first and do the same thing.  

I was never dodging and weaving my way through the fight like I might with the hammerhead, but it is a tank not a jet fighter.  

[Rurik_Niall]

JigPig wrote...

I had no problem with the Mako's controls (PC) and I don't see how anyone did. The console version, maybe, but I don't play inferior systems.

I don't see how graphics affect the gaming experience, as far as I'm concerned great gameplay and an awesome story more than make up for Atari 2600 graphics, doesn't mean that nobody else would though.

[Ahglock]

Rurik_Niall wrote...

JigPig wrote...

I had no problem with the Mako's controls (PC) and I don't see how anyone did. The console version, maybe, but I don't play inferior systems.

I don't see how graphics affect the gaming experience, as far as I'm concerned great gameplay and an awesome story more than make up for Atari 2600 graphics, doesn't mean that nobody else would though.

We might not agree on the mako but we can agree on this.  I'd rather games scimp a bit on graphics to up content and or improve game play if they could.  Too bad voice takes up so much space.  

[Hunter-Wolf]

Frankly people .. all the people complaining about the Mako handling need some more training and practice .. i had some problems and frustration in the first mission only .. once i grasped how to control it efficiently i was cruising with it smoothly .. ramming geth and sending them flying off ledges gloriously .... i demand the Mako back in ME3 .. seriously .. what's wrong with gamers these days ... they just reject anything that requires even the slightest bit of practice (getting used to) ... and if the controls/handling were really that bad overcoming handicaps is an achievement in and of itself.

Besides bringing back the Mako i also want customization options for it ... just like the N7 armor .. turret types .. wheel types .. hovercraft parts instead of wheels ... armor types ... etc etc etc

[Rurik_Niall]

Good controls don't require "getting used to," that's the exact opposite of intuitive. Challenge needs to come from proper sources, strong AI, well designed and balanced levels, not from poorly designed controls.