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[OhoniX]

Seriously guys? It's tired. I get that some people don't like the waves and all, but the "ninjas dropping form the sky" bit is a non-issue. It it were Templars and Ogres, sure, it'd be a problem, but it's not. The enemies that "drop from the sky" are all bandits, and they only do so when in two-story areas, from locations where it's perfectly plausible for ambushing bandits to be lying in wait. So they drop down from above to catch their prey unawares. It makes total sense. The other type is the spiders which drop from cave roofs, which is exactly where spiders in caves would come from. Other than those TWO types of enemy, nothing else does that. Other enemies come out of natural doorways, or are demons summoned from the ground, places that make perfect sense.

Do they "appear out of nowhere" when they spawn like this? Sure, but that happens in almost any game on the market that dynamically spawns opponents, causing them to "appear" near doorways and such, relying on the player's supsension of disbelief to accept that they were actually coming out of that doorway instead. Can you sometimes place yourself into a position where what should be a distant blind alley is actually right next to you, so that instead of appearing out of sight and then rounding the corner they appear right next to you? Sure, but the only way they could have avoided that would be the prevent them spawning at all if you're too near their spawn point, and in such a case it would be too easy to exploit the content by "spawn camping" enemies.

You can faily question the gameplay choice to add reinforcements to the battle, and to extend the duration of the battle beyond the dozen or so enemies they could have active at any given time, but it's just childish whinging to constantly moan about the spawning methods they used to achieve it, when they were perfectly natural to the game world.

[EternalPink]

With the thieves in the city aye its explainable with them travelling along roof tops but dark spawn appearing down the corridor i just came from and have already cleared once ( and if they were still lurking there i'd have killed them before advancing ) is harder to explain.

Also the dog lords and malabri in the city, while i'm willing to accept thieves can climb a dog climbing and travelling along the roof tops strains credibility

[Dubya75]

Agree with OP, and the guys at BioWare like waves of enemies so it's not likely to change.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

OhoniX wrote...

The enemies that "drop from the sky" are all bandits, and they only do so when in two-story areas, from locations where it's perfectly plausible for ambushing bandits to be lying in wait.

So these bandits were clinging to the rafters like Spiderman?

[Sabriana]

@ Shadow of Light Dragon

Absolutely p)

That so totally makes sense.

[AkiKishi]

Dubya75 wrote...

Agree with OP, and the guys at BioWare like waves of enemies so it's not likely to change.

Of course they do, waves are cheap padding.

[Louis deGuerre]

No, we can't stop while outside spiders descend from threads that are tethered to clouds apparently.

[ToJKa1]

Maybe they can fly? Or perhaps they are Warp Spiders form D&D? Of course according to lore magical telportation is impossible, but DA2 dismissed those claims

(But seriously, the mages don't teleport, they just turn invisible and run).

[AkiKishi]

It's funny really.Dungeon Alliance a very cheap PSN game uses waves, but they either crawl out of grates,emerge from forests, climb up the sides of things, or drop down from rope and chain points hanging from ceilings or trees.

The only time they just sort of pop up is during boss battles.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 27 avril 2011 - 12:00 .

[Sabriana]

Louis deGuerre wrote...

No, we can't stop while outside spiders descend from threads that are tethered to clouds apparently.

that happened in my game too. I was so startled that I let Hawke and her whole party wipe. I was just sitting there staring. I panned up, and there was nothing. No cliff, no hill, not even the tiniest tree. Just clear blue sky.

[mousestalker]

Poem for y'all:


When I fight and they poke me in the chest
Gonna defeat the boss and all the rest
When I get down to the last guy
Down come all those ninjas from the sky
Down come all those ninjas from the sky
That's when I know gonna I'm die
When I fight and they poke me in the chest
Gonna defeat the boss and all the rest

Prepare yourself you know it's a must
Gotta have companions you trust
So you know that when you die
They're gonna protect us
from those ninjas in the sky
Down come all those ninjas from the sky
That's when I know gonna I'm die
When I fight and they poke me in the chest
Gonna defeat the boss and all the rest

Never been a quitter I never quit
I got companions I trust
So you know that when I fight
They're gonna protect us
from those ninjas in the sky
Oh set me up with the ninjas in the sky
Down come all those ninjas from the sky
That's when I know gonna I'm die
When I fight and they poke me in the chest
Gonna defeat the boss and all the rest

Inspiration from here

[Tommy6860]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

OhoniX wrote...

The enemies that "drop from the sky" are all bandits, and they only do so when in two-story areas, from locations where it's perfectly plausible for ambushing bandits to be lying in wait.

So these bandits were clinging to the rafters like Spiderman?

Wow, that enemy in the middle, with blood splatter coming out of his backside, did he cut himself with his blade as he materialized through the ceiling?

They should have put a sound bite in those scenes like the one from Mass Effect, when the allies get flanked, "Enemies everywhere!".

[Sabriana]

I like that, Mousestalker. I even knew it was set to "Spirit in the Sky" before clicking your link.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Tommy6860 wrote...

Wow, that enemy in the middle, with blood splatter coming out of his backside, did he cut himself with his blade as he materialized through the ceiling?

I think Bianca might have got him where the sun shineth not.

@mouse - Awesome! XD

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 27 avril 2011 - 12:18 .

[Crunchyinmilk]

I liked the Dog Lords chucking their dogs out of 2nd or 3rd story windows.

Best thing about that pic is that Varric has already nailed one in the head on the way down. The element of surprise wasn't just lost on the player, long ago. Your AI controlled team mates found the system old hat too.

[MagpieZ]

I remember in some older RPGs games it was no problem to have enemies waiting behind doors. They would come all over the place, either in stealth or in the open, they would open doors and come down the stairs.

In my opinion waves are perfectly fine, Dragon Age II would not be the first one to offer that style of combat. Even in Borderlands enemies came out of doors, doors which a player could not open himself but the NPCs could. Basically that's the idea, you could have areas blocked by doors and gates which a player cannot open but are accessible to these NPCs. Or they could not be accessible *unless* opened by spawned NPCs. Coming from above just does not make sense and even if the location would add temporary sense to them they are still very irritating.

[Viyu]

Can we please stop complaining about "ninjas dropping from the sky?"

"NO!"

Modifié par Viyu, 27 avril 2011 - 12:32 .

[doloreg]

In DA:O, many darkspawn appeared out of thin air without animation, making a fuss about either is silly, but it's da2, you must hate it to be trendy.

[Khayness]

OhoniX wrote...

Seriously guys? It's tired. I get that some people don't like the waves and all, but the "ninjas dropping form the sky" bit is a non-issue. It it were Templars and Ogres, sure, it'd be a problem, but it's not.

Every humanoid foe drop from the sky.

OhoniX wrote...

So they drop down from above to catch their prey unawares. It makes total sense.

You won't make a great Evil Overlord.

"If my weakest troops fail to eliminate a hero, I will send out my best troops instead of wasting time with progressively stronger ones as he gets closer and closer to my fortress."

Zerg 'em all at once, don't wait until they cut you all down for an ambush.

Modifié par Khayness, 27 avril 2011 - 12:34 .

[LyndseyCousland]

Stop complaining about people complaining about things. Gawd.

[elearon1]

It really never bothered me ... where do monsters ever come from by the horde in video games? It's like that old cliche, "a dozen orcs in a 10x10 room with no furniture" ... it is one thing to get past this in PnP games, but we just have to accept some things with computer games, and mysteriously appearing enemies is one of them.

[AkiKishi]

doloreg wrote...

In DA:O, many darkspawn appeared out of thin air without animation, making a fuss about either is silly, but it's da2, you must hate it to be trendy.

Not really, it's just this time they have gone so over the top that anyone with eyes will notice it. It's like the reused stuff, many games do it in moderation, DA2 does it in a cynical and obvious manner.

[Viyu]

Maybe there should just be monsters that vomit more monsters. Or dissects itself into segments as you fight it.

[Cyberarmy]

Quick alert Sten and Arishok!

[AngryFrozenWater]

Deleted. Better reply on the next page.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 27 avril 2011 - 02:46 .