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[AreleX]

Hearing the general amount of foolishness and misinformation about how 'terrible' Mages are in DA2, I decided to give a Mage playthrough a shot. The results were quite the opposite of what popular opinion would have you believe, as I had an awesome time, was incredibly powerful, and was presented with many different ways to play/things to use/strategies to learn.

Having played all three classes, I can say that I understand why people think Mages aren't good; they take far more work and intuition on the part of the player than a Warrior, and even a Rogue (though to a lesser extent). The burden of failure falls squarely on the shoulders of the player, and if you don't perform or control the battle as you should, things will end badly. With this in mind, I wrote a Mage guide, and created a Mage tutorial video. Though I'm using Force/Elemental/Primal talents, the knowledge within applies to the class as a whole.

Videos are by myself and brazen_nl, to help you take your mage game to the next level!

Teach Me How to Force Mage!
Teach Me How to Force Mage! Lesson 2 - No Tank? No Problem!
Teach Me How to Force Mage! Lesson 3 - Nexus Golem Super Gauntlet (w/ audio commentary!)

by brazen_nl - The son I never had (according to the paternity tests and Maury, at least)

On The Loose - Huon fight (with audio commentary!)
On The Loose - Evelina fight (part 1, with audio commentary!)
On The Loose - Evelina fight (part 2, with audio commentary!)
On The Loose - Evelina fight (part 3, with audio commentary!)
The Last Holdouts (with audio commentary!)

Bonus Warrior Vids (by brazen_nl)

On The Loose - Evelina fight (part 1, with audio commentary!)
On The Loose - Evelina fight (part 2, with audio commentary!)
On The Loose - Evelina fight (part 3, with audio commentary!)

I am playing through the missions/encounters people seem to have the most trouble with. I go through, pausing and providing information on what I'm doing and why, so you can learn ways to turn hard fights into massacres, and conquer things you previously struggled with.

Video 1 clips are from:

Wayward Son (Docks portion)
Tranquility
The Meeran fight in Lowtown
Bait and Switch (Alienage portion)

Video 2 clips are from:

Blackpowder Courtesy
Act of Mercy (Decimus fight)
Act of Mercy (Templar fight)
Shepherding Wolves


Take the video, post it, share it, let people know that Mages in DA2 are incredibly powerful, but only if you use them properly. Help everyone else to stop complaining about the class, and start kicking ass with it! If you find yourself having fun, I've written a guide, which you can reach from the link in my signature. Feel free to ask questions if you need help, or don't understand something.

Hope you enjoy and learn a few things!

Modificata da AreleX, 06 maggio 2011 - 10:53 .

[Kaylord]

Ah very helpful, thanks! I did not know that you had to wait a moment to pull those assassins out of stealth, and I didn´t have any success yet. Now I know why.
Question: How do you do so much damage with that staff, which one is this? I use magister´s scythe. Can you list your equip pls?

Modificata da Kaylord, 27 aprile 2011 - 07:00 .

[AreleX]

Kaylord wrote...

Ah very helpful, thanks! I did not know that you had to wait a moment to pull those assassins out of stealth, and I didn´t have any success yet. Now I know why.
Question: How do you do so much damage with that staff, which one is this? I use magister´s scythe. Can you list your equip pls?

Opposing element. Slavers are weak to Fire, and I was using the Staff of Parlathan.

Magister's Scythe is no good for an elementalist build.

[Jack-Nader]

Sweet job Arelex. Force Mage works well on the Xbox.

I wish it functioned the same way for pc. The only force mage talent that always pulls assassins out of stealth is pull of the abyss. Telekinetic burst is very hit and miss. Fist of the maker never seems to work.

[mr_afk]

fist of the maker is pretty good actually. you just need to time it right - too early and they're invincible, too late and they've run away under stealth and are probably just about to stab you in the back.

Anyhow, nice vid! Good demonstration of how mages aren't underpowered....though tbh I actually haven't heard any complaints about mages before

p.s. the new dlc is aaamazing.

Modificata da mr_afk, 27 aprile 2011 - 07:13 .

[Jack-Nader]

lol mr_afk

[AreleX]

I didn't have Telekinetic Burst at the time I made the vids, but I've tried it since, and it's worked fine for me.

Are you sure you're doing it as early as possible, so you have the lowest chance of screwing up because of their movement? I noticed I was a bit slow the first few times I tried to do it with Fist of the Maker.

Modificata da AreleX, 27 aprile 2011 - 07:31 .

[Heather Cline]

Question for you. How do you get all of your companions to focus fire on the Abomination in your video? I've never been able to get them to focus fire on an enemy I'm firing on unless it's an elite class or higher and it's alone without any other enemies on the field.

[SmokeyNinjas]

mr_afk wrote...

Anyhow, nice vid! Good demonstration of how mages aren't underpowered....though tbh I actually haven't heard any complaints about mages before

It was all the rage when the game first came out seems to of been fully disproven now

[Jack-Nader]

Yep... the only one that functions for me 100% of the time is pull of the abyss.
I have tried fist of the maker:-
a)at the start of their backflip
b)just before they disapear into stealth
c)as soon as they are in stealth
d)a short while after stealth.

Nothing. I can only assume that there is some hidden glitch with XP + PC + dx9 that is causing it. That is, if mr_afk was serious about it functioning fine for him..

[AreleX]

Heather Cline wrote...

Question for you. How do you get all of your companions to focus fire on the Abomination in your video? I've never been able to get them to focus fire on an enemy I'm firing on unless it's an elite class or higher and it's alone without any other enemies on the field.

Are you a console player? If you're playing on 360, you hit LB/RB at the same time, and then your companions will attack the same target as you. PS3, I have no idea (would assume L1/R1 or L2/R2), and PC, I have no idea.

Side note: You can tell when I'm doing it in my videos if you look at the character portraits; when they're all surrounded by the gold glow, I'm having them attack my target.

Alternatively, you can set up 'Enemy: Target of Hawke - X/Attack' in their tactics, but I feel that it's inefficient, and prefer to to let them do as they will (as far as basic attacks), and step in when it's needed.

[Heather Cline]

Yeah playing on 360. Just can't create video's while playing my game on the console. Not sure how you did that. Would love to know how you made a video for your game without being on a computer.

Thanks for telling me how you did that.

[Odysseyalien]

Thanks for this. I learned a couple of things!

[SmokeyNinjas]

Jack-Nader wrote...

Yep... the only one that functions for me 100% of the time is pull of the abyss.
I have tried fist of the maker:-
a)at the start of their backflip
b)just before they disapear into stealth
c)as soon as they are in stealth
d)a short while after stealth.

Nothing. I can only assume that there is some hidden glitch with XP + PC + dx9 that is causing it. That is, if mr_afk was serious about it functioning fine for him..

Their immune for A, B & C got to catch em in D.
Oh and i'm on pc aswell 

[mr_afk]

Jack-Nader wrote...
Nothing. I can only assume that there is some hidden glitch with XP + PC + dx9 that is causing it. That is, if mr_afk was serious about it functioning fine for him..

Would I lie to you about something as important as this?! :innocent:
But yeah, I've done it before- and just did it again a couple minutes ago. Basically you need to wait for that split second where the smoke is disappearing. Haha not really, you've probably got more time than that. 
But yeah, it's like option c) but early into it. So when the smoke is just starting to disappear and the assassins just chilling in the same spot going 'yeh, i'm safe' - That's when you grab him and smash his face into the floor!!

It doesn't really look as amazing as that though. Somehow the animation seems to glitch and you don't pick him up and dump him (or maybe it's fortitude was too high) so he just suddenly appears there looking slightly embarassed.

edit: just checked and I actually video'd that fight. so sometime tmr when I compile a whole bunch of random fights you'll be able to see it for yourself. Though I thought I saw Arelex do it already in that video? meh. mine looks awesome-er.

fine, i will upload mine now then too. just a segment. just for you. hmph

Modificata da mr_afk, 27 aprile 2011 - 07:50 .

[Jack-Nader]

I just did a short clip. I will upload it in a second... but it is pretty safe to say that it does not function the same for me as it does for you guys.



I tried waiting longer to cast it. I did notice something strange. I guess I shouldn't be suprised as I have seen all manner of BS out of the assassin class. Brekker and fellow assassin both go into stealth at the same time. I deliberately waited atleast 2 seconds before hitting them with the fist of the maker. I see blood splatters spurt out thin air as well as little dazed sparkles but no assassins. Brekker stabs Anders first, it has obviously had no effect on him. The 2nd assassins stabs Anders aproximately 2 second later. It looked to me that he had been hit and dazed. However it did not drop him out of stealth. He ended up teleporting instantly from his dazed position to the back of Anders, a good 8m away and killing him.

Modificata da Jack-Nader, 27 aprile 2011 - 08:19 .

[Sabotin]

While there's difference discussion going on - in my game on the PC Varric never and I mean never finds traps that fast, it always takes maybe 5 seconds standing next to it (sometimes he still wouldn't detect them even if I can see with my eyes the translucent outline of a trap button. Anyone has a similar experience?

On another note, the video is a pretty nice presentation of the basic tactics one should employ as a mage, without complicating.

[mr_afk]

Where's that clip you promised?
Here's mine. Hope it helps?

Maker's Fist

edit: I lol'ed at your ending. I really should find a way to record sound properly. But i play with headphones (and am using a dodgy camera) which doesn't help. Plus it's ~4am. On that note, why am I still awake...

Modificata da mr_afk, 27 aprile 2011 - 08:22 .

[Jack-Nader]

Yep, after seeing your video mr_afk, I tried adding a huge delay before casting. I definitely see blood splatters and sparkles but again it does not drop the assassin out of stealh. I will try and record it.

Modificata da Jack-Nader, 27 aprile 2011 - 08:22 .

[SuicidalBaby]

ps3 fist wont break stealth, it will 20% stun normals, lift and knockdown, and damage. just no break of stealth.

tburst works just fine.

Modificata da SuicidialBaby, 27 aprile 2011 - 08:28 .

[nicethugbert]

Good job AreleX. I set my tactics to use Dessicate on elites and bosses. Most of the time, a party member nabs the assasins and rogues at the very start of the battle and through out. And I still have mage Hawke to catch what they miss.

[mr_afk]

Jack-Nader wrote...

Yep, after seeing your video mr_afk, I tried adding a huge delay before casting. I definitely see blood splatters and sparkles but again it does not drop the assassin out of stealh. I will try and record it.

I think I've experienced that before.. when I tried to haemorrhage assassins out of stealth they just bled a little and kept on going. So maybe it's some sort of weird programing difference between platforms?

[Att3r0]

Rage counter +1 for lack of that targeting system on PC ...

When it comes to mage whine - mage is much less forgiving and require more in deepth knowlage then the other classes and my i say DLC items?my first play on NM was fith mage without parthalan dura's and i did not know i should buy fire staff ... wasnt fun you know ? ><
Ah but more "fun"i just checked thsoe forums slightly and saw "best mage tree" and most voted primal... going with 2 primal mages (i had some heals and merrill cc spells) into deep roads ...
Another point is that mage spells does do amount of damage ppl expected - less auto-atack damage more spell damage plox.

as for blowing assasins out of stealth - on PC its quite inconsistent , pull works but i dont use it. telB sobetimes works sometimes dont, fist of maker - tried few times didnt work so skiped trying, fireball works on fire weak and cone on cold weak , if not weak may not work. But i never tried to discover what works when not - if it fails i send in tank with stonewall or have dog eat it.
For sure it doesnt work as well as on the xbox clips...

PS. Am i bad person wishing for all consoles to brun ?? ><

Modificata da Att3r0, 27 aprile 2011 - 08:31 .

[SuicidalBaby]

we are burning, look at Sony's psn

[AreleX]

As self-appointed head of the Console DA2 Federation, I have prepared a statement:

SUCK IT, PC PLAYERS!

That is all.

You guys have ever other concievable thing better than us, let us have this one small victory.

Modificata da AreleX, 27 aprile 2011 - 08:42 .