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[mr_afk]

but with 3 ranged characters where are the staggers going to come from?
I think that without assassinate a DW rogue is pretty useless in an all-ranged party

[AreleX]

So I bought all the companion armor upgrades from shops at the beginning of Act II.

I go to give Isabela a Fire resist rune, and the game is telling me that I didn't purchase the upgrade...when it isn't available in the shop that sells it (Robes by Jean Luc).

What.

It's like the game is discouraging me even more from the terrible idea that is using Isabela.

[brazen_nl]

SuicidialBaby wrote...

enemy: STAGGER: use current condition for next tactic
enemy: elite or higher: Explosive Strike

works quite well.

the isabela build in the compendium works very well.  you should give it a shot.

But which party member is going to stagger? The guy wanted an all ranged party with Izzy.

[mr_afk]

AreleX wrote...

So I bought all the companion armor upgrades from shops at the beginning of Act II.

I go to give Isabela a Fire resist rune, and the game is telling me that I didn't purchase the upgrade...when it isn't available in the shop that sells it (Robes by Jean Luc).

What.

It's like the game is discouraging me even more from the terrible idea that is using Isabela.

Haha did you buy the upgrade before romancing her?
The only bug I know that does that is the one where her change in outfit removes the runeslot

[brazen_nl]

Jack-Nader wrote...

brazen_nl wrote...

No CCC fun with an all ranged team and Izzy.

That's basically the party I just used, except I subbed Hawke rogue for izzy.  It's probably the strongest party in the game.

That's different. You have Assassinate/Vendetta, and you can capitalize on the brittles from the mages. Plus, I'm assuming you are controlling Hawke.

[mr_afk]

brazen_nl wrote...

But which party member is going to stagger? The guy wanted an all ranged party with Izzy.

I suppose you could always just use a fenris with allure's crook.
Claymore should do the trick.

[AreleX]

screw this, i'm going to play the gears 3 beta

[mr_afk]

screw this, i'm going to go back to attempting to listen to my lecturer

Modifié par mr_afk, 04 mai 2011 - 12:31 .

[SuicidalBaby]

brazen_nl wrote...

SuicidialBaby wrote...

enemy: STAGGER: use current condition for next tactic
enemy: elite or higher: Explosive Strike

works quite well.

the isabela build in the compendium works very well.  you should give it a shot.

But which party member is going to stagger? The guy wanted an all ranged party with Izzy.

you missed my edit'orial


Im going to go play Diablo 2, peace bizzos

Modifié par SuicidialBaby, 04 mai 2011 - 01:21 .

[brazen_nl]

SuicidialBaby wrote...

brazen_nl wrote...

SuicidialBaby wrote...

enemy: STAGGER: use current condition for next tactic
enemy: elite or higher: Explosive Strike

works quite well.

the isabela build in the compendium works very well.  you should give it a shot.

But which party member is going to stagger? The guy wanted an all ranged party with Izzy.

you missed my edit'orial

Just now read it, and very much agreed upon. Like I said in my first reply to the poster, there is no synergy and it has no purpose. She can do one thing only in that group, and that's a solo thing.

And for the record, I did try your Izzy tactics. Quite fun and works well.

[Jack-Nader]

mr_afk wrote...

but with 3 ranged characters where are the staggers going to come from?
I think that without assassinate a DW rogue is pretty useless in an all-ranged party

You're way off the mark there.  Hawke rogue brings massive single target DPS.  Mages bring massive AOE DPS.  The two classes synergy very well.   Walking bomb + Hawke rogue as the trigger = absolute domination.  Thanks to the DLC you can pick up this combo early in act II.  In act II you can use fire spells as Hawke can be made extermely fire resistant/ immune to spirit.  Towards the end of act III you end up having to choose between fire spells and walking bomb.  It's a no brainer choice really. 

@Brazen_NL

No, I do not pick anything from the duelist class.  It's a rubbish class. 

My build is very melee orientated.  I don't use stealth or decoy. 
*I take take everything from the duel weapon tree except merciless strike, murder and lacerate. 
*I take the entire assassin line except for relentless strike.  I absolutely loathe small duration buff talents.  It's the sole reason why I keep quiting warrior playthroughs.  Having to buff yourself every 15 seconds really sucks.
*I take pinpoint precision from the shadow tree
*Harmony, energizing speed, lightning speed from the specialist line.
*Fully upgraded rush.  Rush is an absolutely kickass talent which doesn't get much attention because it doesn't do much damage.  I use it to knock assassins out of stealth, knock them on their asses, pile drive lone walking bomb infected enemies into mobs so that they all explode, etc.  This talent makes rogues fun.

[brazen_nl]

Jack-Nader wrote...

mr_afk wrote...

but with 3 ranged characters where are the staggers going to come from?
I think that without assassinate a DW rogue is pretty useless in an all-ranged party

You're way off the mark there.  Hawke rogue brings massive single target DPS.

Hawke rogue, yes, but the discussion was about Izzy with three ranged.

And don't take away my Vendetta!

[mr_afk]

nooo.. you missed my point. I was talking about isabela - not hawke (because I assume all hawke rogues will have assassinate). Isabela can get to pretty nice damage levels but no way near in comparison to hawke, and more importantly her max hp and ability to get immune to elements is really limited.

I was experimenting with a three mage - isabela party but it really sucked as despite knockback rings isabela is just too fragile to be able to tank/be the main enemy focus and was sent flying every single arrow. she also has really crappy spike damage abilities - only explosive strike and twin fangs.

I think she could potentially be used to disorientating fog enemies (setup walking bomb CCCs) but she'll probably just be killed by the explosion anyway, So yeah, isabela and three mages doesn't work that well. Unless I was just using her wrong

DW rogue is starting to sound pretty good though. Might give it a shot next

Modifié par mr_afk, 04 mai 2011 - 01:05 .

[Jack-Nader]

@mr_afk, ahh sorry.

@brazen, hmmm you've given me an idea. I'm going to crunch some numbers and see if I can't get the duelist class to end up with better damage output than my build. It would probably mean i'd have to sacrifice rush tho.

edit* Nah, My current build is much better

Modifié par Jack-Nader, 04 mai 2011 - 01:49 .

[brazen_nl]

On The Loose: Evelina (part 1, part 2, part 3).

Part 2 is very messy. If someone has a way to do it the same way consistently I think it would be better to publish that. I don't care much for micro-managing, but had to do it for that fight.

Also, commenting while recording isn't the easiest thing to do. 

EDIT: Fixed the links.

Modifié par brazen_nl, 04 mai 2011 - 01:20 .

[Jack-Nader]

Nice work brazen

[brazen_nl]

Thanks.

Still, they're not the best pieces of work, but when you know how the fight is going to progress, you pretty much don't care about your health anymore, since you know exactly whether you have enough left just to survive the spawn. 

Modifié par brazen_nl, 04 mai 2011 - 01:58 .

[mr_afk]

Wow. That's pretty intense. I don't think I'd be able to do a live voice-over. I'd be too busy going "Zomg! there's a stagger - quick zap it!" to be able to calmly discuss what strategies I'm doing. That's probably half the problem with no-pause play, half of it becomes instinct/reflex so it would be really strange to try and explain why or what i'm doing. And not to mention the horrible number of re-voice overs i'd have to make when it all goes wrong and everyone suffers a little bit of death.
On that note I find it really amusing/awesome the way you circle things with your mouse while explaining things - it's as if you're giving a speech/lecture. haha

Btw, I had forgotten how annoying merrill was. Ive been playing without sound (listening to music instead) because I'd heard everything so many times before and can't record sound properly anyway. No wonder hawke gets the urge to stick a staff through the chest every so often.

Maybe for my next upload I'll attempt to explain what I'm doing (post-recording voice-over)...
Nah, my voice will pale in comparison to yours and it would be really awkward for everyone involved (mainly me) - i'll stick to the music.

Modifié par mr_afk, 04 mai 2011 - 03:46 .

[brazen_nl]

The last holdouts


I hope the audio is better this time and that the game sounds don't overshadow the commentary. I also didn't forget to show the gear and stats for once ...

[brazen_nl]

@mr_afk: Thanks for the kind words. 
The commenting is because we're posting in the Tutorial thread, so I'm hoping someone benefits from it and comes to realize how awesome the DA2 combat really is. So yes, in a way I am giving a lecture as probably one of the worst players in this thread. 

[Jack-Nader]

Good job mentioning stone fist. A lot of people don't use it because it deals physical damage. It is a very good mage / assassin disabler just as it was in dragon age origins.

[mr_afk]

@brazen yeah, I suppose maybe some people who watch it will realise there are actually tactics involved in this game (other than that stupid 'awesome button' they always rant about). Or learn from it. That would be good too.
I've never seen that fight you just showed! Maybe this time i'll support the templars! Would have to appreciate the hypocrisy in fighting against bloodmages with a bloodmage. haha
And very doubtful that you're the worst player on this thread. Won't tell you the number of times I Xebenkeck killed me before I gave up. I will now admit that using a compelety glass cannon setup with no cold staves or spells os a bad idea when fighting hordes of rage demons.<_<

@Jack-Nader In origins stonefist = shatter. Don't think I used it for anything else haha
But yeah, atm I'm using stonefist as a fun method for popping disoriented enemies. Makes for a great party trick.

(btw, out of interest, around about what time did you get for the Varnell (offered and lost) fight? I'm trying to figure out if ~1:25 is good. Arelex's video of it was around 2:11 but I'm pretty sure he was using a cold staff (which they were all immune to) and wasn't trying to speed run it (though I wasn't either really). Trying to figure out if my build/party setup is actually really good or my old one was just crappy.
edit: Actually seems he was using cold spells not staves. Memory must have lied to me.

Modifié par mr_afk, 04 mai 2011 - 04:28 .

[Jack-Nader]

I've never done a disorient combo, infact I don't think i've ever disoriented anything period. 

* varnell's quest..  No idea.. not long.  I assassinated varnell right at the start and then killed his minions.  I don't know if I have a save from around that timeframe.  I will check.

*I need more footage anyway for this video.  Trying to scrape together 4 and a half minutes of footage to match this song is tough.  I've been redoing act III to see if I can scrape out more fights.

Modifié par Jack-Nader, 04 mai 2011 - 04:40 .

[mr_afk]

Well you're missing out! The disorient status is one of the easiest to inflict - and especially easy to inflict it on groups. This makes it great for my current party setup which focuses on a mix of disorient and stagger combos.
I'm going to get a brittle CCC running soon but need to level up a little bit more first.

Yeahh I know what you mean. I'm running around seeing what I can chuck my new setup against. I preferably want ones with large numbers of enemies because that's where my setup really shines. It's good against smaller numbers as well but it's just so much more boring (not video worthy).

Modifié par mr_afk, 04 mai 2011 - 04:41 .

[brazen_nl]

Yeah, Huon got stonefisted on disorient when I ran up to him to brittle him again. You can hear my surprise when I wanted to run into the corner for the shades to surround me so I could CoC them all at the same time.

It does nice damage. Whenever I have Aveline in my party, my rogue always uses it on being attacked by melee. Scatter and Assault are so much nicer than Scythe, as it's easier to stay out of it's way.