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[brazen_nl]

The best fix is to go with what the environment has given us. Now that it's clear how to do it, work with it and use it to your best advantage. You can bet that if you had the opportunity to stealth like that you'd use it, and laugh your ass off every single time an enemy was too early or too late. 

Сообщение изменено: brazen_nl, 28 Апрель 2011 - 07:08 .

[brazen_nl]

Crocodiles wrote...

Why not use a glyph of paralysis or combustion grenade, when they go into stealth? You can also use cone of cold to break stealth.

If you've seen any of the vids, you would have known those are being used all the time. This is just about Fist because it seems people had trouble with it to pull assassin's out of stealth.

[mr_afk]

 and by people we mean Jack-Nader 

[brazen_nl]

And here I was thinking you were one of the nice guys. You've changed, man! 

[mr_afk]

but nice guys finish last!

Haha plus I just got eaten by giant spiders twice in a row. I'm allowed to be mean now! 

[Jack-Nader]

Here you go ladies..

[mr_afk]

Jack-Nader wrote...

Here you go ladies..

hmm. tbh that didn't really show anything. Both times they appeared and stabbed someone just as you cast it
edit: because I think they have some invulnerability period as they stab. don't know why but i think i've seem them stab someone before deciding to obey the laws of physics/magic and get pulled of abyssed. That sort of delay/invulnerability may mean be the reason it didn't work then

poor Jack-Nader

p.s. I just ate the spiders by microing fenris (normally I just use hawke) so now am feeling happy and nice again!

Сообщение изменено: mr_afk, 28 Апрель 2011 - 07:26 .

[Jack-Nader]

Oh for crying out loud.

[brazen_nl]

FAIL. There's two assassin's at work. I should have Brekker somewhere, not sure if it's on my mage play ...

[brazen_nl]

Jack-Nader wrote...

Here you go ladies..

Second one was too early, first one I'd say you did it exactly right. Not sure what to say about this.

[AreleX]

Jack-Nader wrote...

Oh for crying out loud.

tell me  where you live and I'll come give you a hug

[mr_afk]

brazen_nl wrote...

Jack-Nader wrote...

Here you go ladies..

Second one was too early, first one I'd say you did it exactly right. Not sure what to say about this.

I think it was half-way stabbing the companion in stealth - during that period they have a slight invulnerability as far as I can tell. e.g. I've pulled of abyssed and they've still managed to stab my dog - and then suddenly get dragged away after a delay.

Сообщение изменено: mr_afk, 28 Апрель 2011 - 07:29 .

[Jack-Nader]

brazen_nl wrote...

Jack-Nader wrote...

Here you go ladies..

Second one was too early, first one I'd say you did it exactly right. Not sure what to say about this.

simple...  It doesn't function as intended for a lot of people! 

It doesn't matter..  i'll just do this to assassins and be done with it

[brazen_nl]

Crap, time for play is over. Jack's too smart for words, go and find a save of Brekker and prove it (your theory). Anything less will just be BS. Not trying to yank your chain or something, but you might just be right. And since you have no problems pulling them out of stealth, you have a sure fire way to prove it.

I'll be back in a couple of hours.

[rumination888]

mr_afk wrote...

Hmm.. maybe it's something to do with the rank of the stealthed enemy. I just fought bartrand and maker's fist didn't work on him (but pull of the abyss did).
So I think that maybe only the more generic assassins (e.g. street thugs) can be maker's fisted out of stealth. Perhaps it's something to do with a fortitude check or something..

This.

If an enemy doesn't flinch, then they won't be knocked out of stealth.

FotM + Force Mage spec gives you ~2.25 times your base damage in force checks. Thats pretty low. Compare that to Cone of Cold which has ~7.5x the amount of force.

Jack Nader's build and playstyle is similar to mine(load up on constitution, yeeeaaaaaaa /high five), so I assume his magic is "low" compared to other vids I've seen. And thats where the descrepency lies.

[mr_afk]

Jack-Nader wrote...

simple...  It doesn't function as intended for a lot of people! 

It doesn't matter..  i'll just do this to assassins and be done with it

Haha is that your new play-through?! How did you level up so fast?!!
But I guess you didn't spend two days trying to figure out how to get the friggin rival romance with fenris to work (still doesn't, I just gave up. I think i must have missed some key triggers in act 1). I wanted him to get a new outfit!

Pretty nice stuff though. did you mod your weapons to look awesome?

Сообщение изменено: mr_afk, 28 Апрель 2011 - 07:33 .

[brazen_nl]

Jack-Nader wrote...

brazen_nl wrote...

Jack-Nader wrote...

Here you go ladies..

Second one was too early, first one I'd say you did it exactly right. Not sure what to say about this.

simple...  It doesn't function as intended for a lot of people! 

It doesn't matter..  i'll just do this to assassins and be done with it

That would be a neat trick for a mage, Jack. :innocent:

[Att3r0]

from what i have seen on xbox based vids there is differance how destealthing is checked between PC and console.
Simple question do you have situations when you did hit in right time but sin didnt get discovered? (i dont mean boss assasins ) i do.
And fist of maker simply doesnt work. my magic is high (i maybe spent 10 points to wear ~10 lv gear while im on 17 lv or smth rest is in magic. And fist just doesnt work. Pull works always it seems, blast - most of the time . Cone of cold and fireball - depands on fortitude check clearly - if thing has high hp and is not weak chances are good nothing will happen

Сообщение изменено: Att3r0, 28 Апрель 2011 - 08:08 .

[Sabotin]

Yeah but I thought that they destealth when they get hit, not when they would be knocked down or something.

*goes rummaging arround for video software*


Edit: I really tried extensively now with force spells and it appears that Fist of the maker doesn't work at all for it, while the others are reliable used correctly. Never brought them out of stealth with Fist, only got the invisible bleeding/stun like Jack-Nader. Unstealthed rogues also didn't flinch so I guess it really has something to do with force. Maybe that's a difference between pc/console?

Сообщение изменено: Sabotin, 28 Апрель 2011 - 09:43 .

[mr_afk]

What do you mean by a difference between pc/console? Do you think that they have different mechanisms regarding the way that the physical force of spells work? That would sort of suck. :/

Сообщение изменено: mr_afk, 28 Апрель 2011 - 09:52 .

[Sabotin]

Well in the video he brings a rogue out of stealth with fist and suggests it as an early game skill to do so. Now it might be also some level difference as I tried endgame, but I never managed to unstealth them with it. I tried waiting even longer than the video shows so it's not the invulnerability (one time when the rogue had that blue circle from the commander I specifically ran away and waited like 5 seconds more before trying.

Fireball worked 100%, Abyss 100%, CoC 100%, ...
Fist never.

The spells that worked also worked without weapon (well, with the unequipable one) and like this they didn't flinch any (still got revealed).

[Att3r0]

thats what i mean.
i did even test difficulty and here it how it is.
Fist of maker - checked on every difficulty - works only on casual Q_Q
Fireball - got it once to work on normal/casual
Fireball with UP worked fine on normal .. didnt test higher
Cone of cold - works fine on casual and normal - doesnt work on NM (or ocasionally).
Telekinetic Burst - works well on every difficulty
Test subject Brekker rogues.

I even developed a 100% way to get well timed unstealth (my stat might be relavent here so its 18 lv 60 magic 23 will 11 con rock armor)
I let the rogue backflip of me causing me to stragger - as soon as i can i cast a spell and then pause and cast another as soon as i can
Tests on Nightmare ofc
If first is telekinetic burst ( TB) - destealth
If fist of maker -> fist does nothing -> TB -> unstealth
If TB (aimed somehwere else) -> Fist -> nothing
If Fireball -> nothing -> followed TB doesnt work here as FB takes more then usual animation time
If Cone of cold - > Nothing -> TB -> unstealth
If TB(aimed somewhere else) / Fist -> nothing -> Cone -> nothing

NOTE : Cone of Cold works well on frost weak targets (templarz) or some weaker rogues.

Сообщение изменено: Att3r0, 28 Апрель 2011 - 11:20 .

[frustratemyself]

Nice vid Arelex, always good to check out other peoples play style for ideas to poach.
But is all the beeping cause you're playing on console? Must get annoying.

[AreleX]

frustratemyself wrote...

Nice vid Arelex, always good to check out other peoples play style for ideas to poach.
But is all the beeping cause you're playing on console? Must get annoying.

Beeping? You mean that high-pitched noise you hear in the video sometimes?

It's likely because with the capture device, I have the audio cables (from the Xbox), and the RCA to Stereo adapter (to get decent quality game sound) plugged into a splitter, with the audio cables ALSO being plugged in through my Turtle Beach headset's audio adapter, which makes it a gigantic clusterf**k. I hear it in the headphones when I'm recording and there's little to no audio coming from the game, but I don't really hear it when the action starts (thank god).

[brazen_nl]

Sabotin wrote...

Well in the video he brings a rogue out of stealth with fist and suggests it as an early game skill to do so. Now it might be also some level difference as I tried endgame, but I never managed to unstealth them with it. I tried waiting even longer than the video shows so it's not the invulnerability (one time when the rogue had that blue circle from the commander I specifically ran away and waited like 5 seconds more before trying.

Fireball worked 100%, Abyss 100%, CoC 100%, ...
Fist never.

The spells that worked also worked without weapon (well, with the unequipable one) and like this they didn't flinch any (still got revealed).

As posted earlier, it also works on PC: 

EDIT: I only play nightmare. So I'm not sure why Att3ro can only get it to work on casual. The video I posted was thus on nightmare.

Сообщение изменено: brazen_nl, 28 Апрель 2011 - 12:47 .