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[KBomb]

Cutlass Jack wrote...



Challenging their beliefs is not quite the same thing as putting them down. The rivalry romance path can be very engaging in some cases because its the route that lets you challenge them on something that you feel they are just being wrong about.

For example you're romancing Alistair. He is firmly convinced to the core of his being that swooping is bad. But you know he's wrong. There are many times when swooping is quite good. Eventually the tension gets so thick you throw him down on the ground and swoop the heck out of him. Alistair is later forced to admit that maybe swooping wasn't so bad after all.


More seriously, the rivalry romance really wasn't all that different than challenging Leliana's faith in her visions, Zevran's casualness towards murder, hardening Alistair, or teaching Morrigan that being close to others isn't all bad. In all those cases you can take some dislike hits but still romance them.

Besides, half eaten cake heals all wounds.

This whole reply was full of lulz, but this one especially made me laugh. May I steal it?

[_Aine_]

Cutlass Jack wrote...
For example you're romancing Alistair. He is firmly convinced to the core of his being that swooping is bad. But you know he's wrong. There are many times when swooping is quite good. Eventually the tension gets so thick you throw him down on the ground and swoop the heck out of him. Alistair is later forced to admit that maybe swooping wasn't so bad after all.

Well, I will never be able to hear that quote in DAO again in quite the same way.... thanks for that. 



I kind of considered the rivalmances like....hmmm... you have an enormous crush on someone, but they drive you crazy because they disagree with some basic things that mean something to you.  And they are loud and proud about it.  So, you get into it frequently, arguing in a way that it almost becomes a battle of wits to see who can "win" the conversation, while everyone around you rolls their eyes quietly and wonders when the two of you would just admit you want each other.   Not that such a thing has ever happened to me.  Ever.  Several times. EVER!    Still, it can be quite satisfying, in its own way.  It is emotionally charged already, after all.    That behaviour isn't the relationship, it is just part of the communication style when you haven't quite mastered the art of speaking the obvious...yet.  Or maybe, just choose not to.  You both do like each other, respect even, you are just the sort to call people on their %^&^ I suppose instead of let it slide... 

Great, now I *have* to rivalmance someone in the game to see how well it is done....and hope I don't run into Alistair.   At least my character can keep a straight face.  

Crafting:  I miss having it have some thought to it and wish it had more meat.   I do not miss the crap hogging my bag space.  

Modifié par shantisands, 28 avril 2011 - 07:48 .

[Nodscouter]

Right, just dropping by to note that I loved DA2 far more than Origins. And it is true, the people who hate something are usually far louder than the people who loved it. As the people who loved it are too busy playing it.

[Cutlass Jack]

erynnar wrote...

You forgot the cake was half eaten and slobbery. The slobber is what wins them over. The special ingredient, if you will.

I told my wife something similar the time I fell asleep against her forehead and drooled. I'm not sure she bought it.

KBomb wrote...
This whole reply was full of lulz, but this one especially made me laugh. May I steal it?

Please do!

shantisands wrote...

Great, now I *have* to rivalmance someone in the game to see how well it is done....and hope I don't run into Alistair. At least my character can keep a straight face.

The Rivalmance was the only way I could bring myself to romance Anders on a playthrough after I knew how the story turns out. It makes for the better romance in my mind since it makes him admit he is wrong and less of a willing participant in what happens.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 28 avril 2011 - 07:50 .

[_Aine_]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

shantisands wrote...

Great, now I *have* to rivalmance someone in the game to see how well it is done....and hope I don't run into Alistair. At least my character can keep a straight face.

The Rivalmance was the only way I could bring myself to romance Anders on a playthrough after I knew how the story turns out. It makes for the better romance in my mind since it makes him admit he is wrong and less of a willing participant in what happens.

Ok, THAT I can work with.   Warrior playthrough, coming up.  And I can picture rivalry working easier with Anders than many of them because he is so...sure he is right.  Ok, thanks for the hint!  

[Cutlass Jack]

shantisands wrote...
Ok, THAT I can work with.   Warrior playthrough, coming up.  And I can picture rivalry working easier with Anders than many of them because he is so...sure he is right.  Ok, thanks for the hint!  

This was the scene  that convinced me to try that route. I thought it was really powerful and reminded me there was a guy from Awakening I liked somewhere deep down inside. (Spoilers obviously, so dont click if you like surprises)

[RPGamer13]

Game's awesome, I just bored myself already doing some throwaway saves to check things out and now I don't feel like playing my real character.

It's not the game it's me, I just did the same thing with ME2 trying to get the Insanity and Paramour achievements after deciding to do full playthrough doing everything to transfer into the sequel. Maybe when the date for ME3 comes closer I'll get around to doing it. The achievements I have left are for just playing through the game.

There's a lot of other games I haven't finished and should.

[MorrigansLove]

Glad you can look past the dozen flaws this game has, mate.

[Darth Death]

Its a good game, but isn't worth full price.

[Catlana]

I really liked the story (Act I & II) and improved combat system (faster paced), but the reuse of areas, rushed Act III, every fight having waves detract from the game. I would state that I liked the game despite the flaws.

[MJRick]

I thought DA2 was greatly better then DA:O

[Melca36]

Addai67 wrote...

I enjoyed the game. I was on the verge of drugging the spouse to get access to the PC to finish it. lol

I just didn't love it. It didn't have a lot of staying power for me. If you liked it, that's great. I have high hopes for the DLC and the next one.

This!

Its a good game with a great many problems

1) Fetch and Delivery Quests

2) A trip to the FADE that last 15 minutes

3) Cartoony Darkspawn

4) Recycled Areas


The story is good but pandering to one segment of the fans diminished the game.

Heres hoping we get some great story based DLC and a DA:3 that appeals to all fan bases

[Iakus]

It's a decent game. Not a great game. Certainly not a DAO. But not bad.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Roxlimn wrote...
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Why must you see things in absolutes?

For you it's either, you must have character breaking expository info dumps all the time, or you must never talk to companions outside quests.

There is of course, ground inbewteen.

Besides, you might not like characters to talk outside of pre-determined settings where they need or want something from you (quest dispensaries), but I, and many others, do. What's the absolute sin in talking to companions just to talk? It adds depth, imo.

Also, if you didn't abuse the poorly implemented gift system, he wouldn't be yakking to a total stranger. You would be able to access the conversations as you moved forward in your travels with him over time, whether that time is represented in gameplay or narrative. But it feels like, to the player, that it happens over time organically. As opposed to the stop start feeling you got in Dragon Age 2.

Considering the context, it fits the character of Alistair. Now, whether you like the character is another matter entirely.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 29 avril 2011 - 12:17 .

[Wye]

Lesdeth wrote...

The Metalion wrote...

Lots of people love the game.

It's just that the complainers are louder than the fans.

Um, just the complainers?  If you can't see some of the glaring flaws in DA2, then you are the "target" fanbase that Bioware was trying to reach.

I could list the ways Bioware screwed up, but you can just read the majority of threads to understand why it is a horrible game.  If you liked it good for you.  But don't say that it is just "complainers" who are vocal.

So, looking past the flaws makes us clueless? I'm a pessimist, and that didn't seem right to me.

[nekhbet]

DA2 reeeeaally doesn't deserve the lambasting it gets. I get the feeling the haters get off on hating it or something.

Anyway, the more hate I see the more sympathy I have for you guys in the DA dev team. I'd send you a ton of yummy cookies and soft, fluffy kittens to cheer you up if it was possible to mail kittens. Imaginary ones will have to do now. For the forum mods, too, since you guys have to waddle through the bullcrap spewed from every direction.

[astrallite]

Just because you enjoy something doesn't mean it's good. I "enjoy" playing QWOP too and it isn't a good game.

Modifié par astrallite, 29 avril 2011 - 12:43 .

[Fieryeel]

astrallite wrote...

Just because you enjoy something doesn't mean it's good. I "enjoy" playing QWOP too and it isn't a good game.

No offense mate, but that made no sense.

Bioware made a game. A game is meant to be enjoyed. If DA2 has fulfilled that purpose, then why would it not be a good game for people who like it?

[LobselVith8]

Roxlimn wrote...

As boring and monotonous as most of DAO dialogue is, if you let it get that way, I actually went through nearly all the expository dialogue in it.

Really? I didn't find the dialogue in Origins boring. I got a better sense for who the companions were than I did in Dragon Age 2, and I liked seeing the character development all of the companions. Every one of the companions went through change with The Warden.

Roxlimn wrote...

Read the Codex entries as well. One of the things that I thought was a massive improvement in DA2 was that your companions were no longer walking tourist guides who waxed eloquent about anything and everything at the slightly provocation. Character dialogue was greatly shortened, but it was kept coherent and it characterized the companions better.

Tourist guides? I never got that impression. I don't think the shortened dialogue characterized the characters better. I'm hoping that we get to learn more about the companions in DLC or an expansion, because I enjoyed what I learned about them so far.

[Boiny Bunny]

The Metalion wrote...

Lots of people love the game.

It's just that the complainers are louder than the fans.

Yet another sad soul in utter denial...

[astrallite]

Fieryeel wrote...

astrallite wrote...

Just because you enjoy something doesn't mean it's good. I "enjoy" playing QWOP too and it isn't a good game.

No offense mate, but that made no sense.

Bioware made a game. A game is meant to be enjoyed. If DA2 has fulfilled that purpose, then why would it not be a good game for people who like it?

Your logic makes sense. Greasy food is enjoyable. Therefore it is good high quality food.

Modifié par astrallite, 29 avril 2011 - 05:11 .

[Realmzmaster]

Do not worry OP you are not alone. I am on my fifth playthrough. I am enjoying the game.. Complaints have been aimed at every game Bioware has made. When DA:O came out everyone was complaining it was not the successor to BG or BG II. When Neverwinter Nights came out everyone complained about the OC.
When DA:O came out many were complaining that it was not based on the D & D ruleset and that Bioware was making a mistake going with their own IP.
Every one is entitled to their opinion. You like the game. Good for you. I play on a PC. Yes the game has flaws and I still enjoy it. YMMV.

[DOYOURLABS]

I loved the game. The only thing that bothered me was the recycled areas. I liked the story a lot better, it was much more original than origin's. I've done 3 playthroughs already, and I plan to do more. If BioWare was given another year, this would be a perfect game.

[Fieryeel]

astrallite wrote...

Fieryeel wrote...

astrallite wrote...

Just because you enjoy something doesn't mean it's good. I "enjoy" playing QWOP too and it isn't a good game.

No offense mate, but that made no sense.

Bioware made a game. A game is meant to be enjoyed. If DA2 has fulfilled that purpose, then why would it not be a good game for people who like it?

Your logic makes sense. Greasy food is enjoyable. Therefore it is good high quality food.

Since when did I say DA2 was a quality game? Don't mistake goodness with quality.

Greasy food is enjoyable, but that does not mean I would call it good high quality food, merely good food.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

So...I should put a DA 2 dvd on a cheesburger and eat it because greasy is good, right? Ah-ha! Tis a breakthrough, now I can enjoy DA 2 for what it is!