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[jamesp81]

In ME3, there are four Council races: Humans, Turians, Asari, and Salarians.  Let's assume in ME3 you are faced with Virmire-like choice with respect to each of the four homeworlds.  That choice being that one homeworld gets completely de-populated and will have to be recolonized after the war is over.

Which do you choose to get the shaft:

Earth
Palaven
Thessia
Sur'Kesh


I made this decision based on who could most easily and quickly recover from it.  If faced with this choice, Sur'Kesh (Salarian homeworld) gets the shaft.

The Salarians are amphibian egg layers.  Each female lays dozens of eggs each year.  They reproduce prolifically as a species.  Though some artifical assistance may be needed to completely repopulate their homeworld in a short period, they can do it much easier than the other three races.

Palaven would be a hard loss for the Turians, as their lifespans are similar to that of Humans.  They are also not as adept economically as humans, relying on their client race, the Volus, to take care of those matters.  Recolonizing Palaven would be a slow and painful process for them.  The Turians also have the largest fleet of the Citadel races, and they'd likely expend all of it standing in defense of Palaven.  Preserving Palaven might very well preserve your largest fleet.

The Asari most likely do not reproduce prolifically.  This is likely an artifact of their very long lifespans.  Ilium, for example, was colonized in 1617 making it 570 years old, and the population is only 85 million.  Unfortunately, this is the only hard data I can find on an Asari world in the Wiki or the Codex, so a more complete picture of their population growth is impossible to create.  However, I think it's a pretty strong indicator that Asari populations grow very slowly.  Thessia also houses some of their most important industrial concerns.  The loss of Thessia would be a massive blow from which the Asari might not recover from for millenia.

Humanity's mindset probably makes it the most able to re-populate it's homeworld after a total loss of the population than other races, however, Humans have only been expanding into space for a few decades.  Literally 99% of the Human race still lives on Earth, and most of Humanity's industrial capacity resides in the Sol system.  Humanity's single largest source of He3 fuel is also in the Sol system, as well as abundant natural resources harvested from the asteroid belt and the various lifeless moons of the gas giant planets.  Humanity, as a species, would not survive the total loss of Earth at this juncture, as it's small colony worlds would not have the people or the heavy industry to mount a credible defense against anyone, much less Reapers.

So, if I have to make this choice, we're loading up all the Salarian females with a notion towards repopulating Sur'Kesh after the war is over.

Edit:

The Paragon/Renegade "I win button" for this choice is to sacrifice the Batarians, which would be doing everyone a favor

Modifié par jamesp81, 28 avril 2011 - 01:36 .

[Vez04]

jamesp81 wrote...

In ME3, there are four Council races: Humans, Turians, Asari, and Salarians.  Let's assume in ME3 you are faced with Virmire-like choice with respect to each of the four homeworlds.  That choice being that one homeworld gets completely de-populated and will have to be recolonized after the war is over.

Which do you choose to get the shaft:

Earth
Palaven
Thessia
Sur'Kesh
Rannoch (Quarian' HW)


I made this decision based on who could most easily and quickly recover from it.  If faced with this choice, Sur'Kesh (Salarian homeworld) gets the shaft.

The Salarians are amphibian egg layers.  Each female lays dozens of eggs each year.  They reproduce prolifically as a species.  Though some artifical assistance may be needed to completely repopulate their homeworld in a short period, they can do it much easier than the other three races.

Palaven would be a hard loss for the Turians, as their lifespans are similar to that of Humans.  They are also not as adept economically as humans relying on their client race, the Volus, to take care of those matters.  Recolonizing Palaven would be a slow and painful process for them.  The Turians also have the largest fleet of the Citadel races, and they'd likely expend all of it standing in defense of Palaven.  Preserving Palaven might very well preserve your largest fleet.

The Asari most likely do not reproduce prolifically.  This is likely an artifact of their very long lifespans.  Ilium, for example, was colonized in 1617 making 570 years old, and the population is only 85 million.  Unfortunately, this is the only hard data I can find on an Asari world in the Wiki or the Codex, so a more complete picture of their population growth is impossible to create.  However, I think it's a pretty strong indicator that Asari populations grow very slowly.  Thessia also houses some of their most important industrial concerns.  The loss of Thessia would be a massive blow from which the Asari might not recover from for millenia.

Humanity's mindset probably makes it the most able to re-populate it's homeworld after a total loss of the population than other races, however, Humans have only been expanding into space for a few decades.  Literally 99% of the Human race still lives on Earth, and most of Humanity's industrial capacity resides in the Sol system.  Humanity's single largest source of He3 fuel is also in the Sol system, as well as abundant natural resources harvested from the asteroid belt and the various lifeless moons of the gas giant planets.  Humanity, as a species, would not survive the total loss of Earth at this juncture, as it's small colony worlds would not have the people or the heavy industry to mount a credible defense against anyone, much less Reapers.

So, if I have to make this choice, we're loading up all the Salarian females with a notion towards repopulating Sur'Kesh after the war is over.

[ohbobsagetpiss]

 Goodbye Palaven. A little revenge for the First Contact War.

[AdmiralCheez]

Save Palaven/other turian colonies at all costs.

Mass Effect is not Mass Effect without turians.

Thessia can kiss my ass.

[PMC65]

This is a hard choice and to be honest my decision isn't really an eco decision but personal. Which probably means it is a good thing this is only a game!

Palaven - "Shaft" I might like Garrus but when I think TURIAN (with airquotes) ... I think council T! "Who did you say destroyed your planet? I'm sorry could you say that word a little louder?" Reapers!


Earth - "Safe" Sorry but since Shepard is human this planet is home
Thessia - "Safe" My Shepard's LI is Liara so this planet is also off-limits
Sur'Kesh - "Safe" My buddy is Mordin and I really liked Morlan the Salarian shop keeper in ME1 
Rannoch - "Safe" I just feel sorry for both the Quarians & Geth
Tuchanka - "Safe" Best pal is Wrex, and I also don't think it would be a good idea to have the krogan off Tuchanka.

[Splinter Cell 108]

I just hope I don't have to choose between Turians and Krogan OR Krogan and Salarians. That would be bad, I like all three species too much. However I would choose Palaven over any of them, Turians are my favorite species. 

Modifié par Splinter Cell 108, 28 avril 2011 - 01:58 .

[Dean_the_Young]

If this is a Virmire-esque, choice, I reserve the right to say what I did at Virmire:

Why only one?

[Sajuro]

Earth probably because humans are very good at reproducing.

[Kaiser Shepard]

If we're making decisions simply based on which race can recover the fastest, I certainly wouldn't go for Sur'kesh: the mere 10% female salarian population is almost fully contained to their homeworld, I can't see them survive such a blow.

When push comes to shove, I think I'm with Cheez on this one. The asari can reproduce with every other species, anyway.

[HealthyGiraffe]

Get rid of Earth. If it is anything like it is now then it's gone. Full of ****s!

[Dean_the_Young]

The Asari breeding cycle is incredibly slow, however. Their growth rates aren't great by any means, though they have plenty of sizable colony worlds.


Pavlon probably would be least devastating for the Turian race compared to other races, though the Salarian ability for exponential breeding puts them on a faster recovery track.


If we're balacning all things and presume that one planet must die...

Knock out humanity to return to the status quo ante Council that, for all its faults, is largely stable.

Give the Asari a kick in the non-existent vagina if you think they've been holding the galaxy back too much in addressing problems. With them gone, a Human-Turian-Salarian axis will dominate the galaxy militarily with no question.

If you don't want to risk a stab in the back, let the Salarians take it. The rest of the powers, Asari and Turian, have closer concepts to 'rule of law' in war and peace to us than the Salarians do. They're conservative, but 'safe.'

Pavlon is the choice if you want to secure Humanity's place as the military top dog in the galaxy, by removing it's main challenger/rival. This goes triple in the case of a Renegade Council, in which the Turian military buildup makes them the most likely foe in any Alliance war other than the Batarians. Otherwise, a Human-Asari-Salarian axis is more active, if a bit weaker, than the old Council.

[Conquerthecity]

Bye bye blue space babes.

[ExtremeOne]

The Blue aliens will die

[Hepzi3]

Its tough but I gotta go with the Asari.

Humans (Ashley, Jacob,Miranda,Anderson,Joker,Chakwas,Udina,Kaidan,Kelly and even TIM! All compelling characters! Too many good people on our side.) Not only that but this whole story is about Shepard representing and defending Humanity from the ultimate threat.
Turians (Dude I love Garrus)
Salarians got Mordin, and they must have the best minds in the galaxy if they engineered the genophage. Maybe they will be able to create Mass Relays of their own. Sorry Asari but yall gotta go.

[lovgreno]

All the council races have been colonising for centuries so they are not that vunerable when it comes to losing the home planets. In fact rebuilding them in a new and better way may strengthen them in the long run.

Humanity however is still very bound to Earth in many ways. Losing Earth will certanly cripple them for a long time. Then again this necesarily not that bad in the long run either as the humans aren't very used to the galaxy and vice versa. Give them a century or two to mature with the help of some kind of alien Marshal plan perhaps and they will be ready to play with the big boys in the galaxy eventual.

[MajesticJazz]

Thessia must survive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Manic Sheep]

I wouldn’t pick Sur'Kesh for who would recover the best. Most of their females are on their home planet. Even if they managed to repopulate from the few females that are left it would screw them over genetically I would think.  
Hmm Thessia maybe? all of the Asari can reproduce and they can do so with every race. They already lack huge amount of genetic variation (since they don’t take DNA from their partner) and again can reproduce with anyone so that doesn’t seem like it would be an issue. They also seem to have a huge presence all around the galaxy. Slow breeding tho.

 Also I don’t like them as a race. *ahem*

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 28 avril 2011 - 03:27 .

[TheRealIncarnal]

Sorry Turians! Maybe if someone had my back prior to the absolute last second despite having had 1st had experience with them I could have saved the Turian home world.

That said, if I had the choice I would probably give up the Salarian homeworld, as they would be the most able to absorb the loss. They don't mope, they have short lives, and if they do not artificially control their population they will be able to repopulate in the shortest amount of time of the council species. That or I'll just give the world to the Krogan and call it a day. 

Modifié par TheRealIncarnal, 28 avril 2011 - 03:23 .

[Someone With Mass]

Sorry, Liara, but I like Garrus just a tad better.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Sorry Salarians, but you repopulate fast, right?

[gosimmons]

Aw, can't we give them the Vorcha's homeworld?

[Orion1836]

Is there an option to turn Omega into a kinetic weapon and hurl it at the Reapers?

[jamesp81]

Sajuro wrote...

Earth probably because humans are very good at reproducing.

Salarians are better at it.  The Salarian race can also survive the loss or temporary loss of their homeworld since most of their race doesn't live there.  Most of humanity (around 99%) does live on Earth.  Humanity would not survive the loss of Earth.  The best case scenario is that the Reapers are stopped after Earth is lost, but Humanity's other colonies would be unable to defend themselves.  They'd all get conquered by slavers and pirates.  The Turian Councilor would again regret that the Council could not get involved in purely human affairs, and have a good laugh as we get enslaved by the Batarians.

[jamesp81]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

If we're making decisions simply based on which race can recover the fastest, I certainly wouldn't go for Sur'kesh: the mere 10% female salarian population is almost fully contained to their homeworld, I can't see them survive such a blow.

When push comes to shove, I think I'm with Cheez on this one. The asari can reproduce with every other species, anyway.

That's why 1) I said evacuate the females from Sur'Kesh and 2) the Asari obviously do not have high birth rates.  They live for 1000 years, if they reproduced like humans or Turians they'd have overrun the whole damned galaxy by now.  It takes a newly found Asari colony over 500 years to reach a measely population of 85 million.  It would take millenia for them to recover from the loss of Thessia.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Orion1836 wrote...

Is there an option to turn Omega into a kinetic weapon and hurl it at the Reapers?

I'm still of the opinion that Omega might very well be the Klendagon Weapon, but I seem to be the only one of my kind...

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 28 avril 2011 - 04:24 .