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[jamesp81]

HealthyGiraffe wrote...

Get rid of Earth. If it is anything like it is now then it's gone. Full of ****s!

The loss of Earth means humanity exists only as slaves or, best case scenario, a client race to someone else.  I'm not willing to do that because some humans aren't worth killing.

For that matter, any criticism you can legitimately make about humans can be legitimately made about any other species.  So this doesn't really hold water for me.  It boils down to who can tolerate the loss the best.  That's the Salarians.

[MrFob]

Don't the salarians keep their females and offspring hidden away on their homeworld and only the males go out into the galaxy? sounds like the reapers could hit them where it hurts.

I think I'd go for Palaven. It's full of radiation anyway and the turians are well spread out with lot's of well established colonies. They can shrug it off.

[jamesp81]

Hepzi3 wrote...

Its tough but I gotta go with the Asari.

Humans (Ashley, Jacob,Miranda,Anderson,Joker,Chakwas,Udina,Kaidan,Kelly and even TIM! All compelling characters! Too many good people on our side.) Not only that but this whole story is about Shepard representing and defending Humanity from the ultimate threat.
Turians (Dude I love Garrus)
Salarians got Mordin, and they must have the best minds in the galaxy if they engineered the genophage. Maybe they will be able to create Mass Relays of their own. Sorry Asari but yall gotta go.

A well crafted argument for sticking it to the blue space babes.

Just realized something.  Letting the Asari have it will greatly increase the power of the Turians.  The Volus are a Turian client race, adept at economic pursuits.  The Asari are also good at economic type stuff.  Knocking the Asari back leaves the Volus as the undisputed economic  powerhouse in the galaxy, which directly benefits the Turians.  Something to consider.

[jamesp81]

lovgreno wrote...

All the council races have been colonising for centuries so they are not that vunerable when it comes to losing the home planets. In fact rebuilding them in a new and better way may strengthen them in the long run.

Humanity however is still very bound to Earth in many ways. Losing Earth will certanly cripple them for a long time. Then again this necesarily not that bad in the long run either as the humans aren't very used to the galaxy and vice versa. Give them a century or two to mature with the help of some kind of alien Marshal plan perhaps and they will be ready to play with the big boys in the galaxy eventual.

We're ready now.  If we weren't, Sovereign would've won in ME1.  Simple as that.

And what's this "mature" bull****?  The other races aren't more "mature" than humanity.  They seem to exhibit most of the same flaws we do.

[Dracotamer]

Earth. Humans are the most robust and would adjust the easiest to a new homeworld.

[jamesp81]

gosimmons wrote...

Aw, can't we give them the Vorcha's homeworld?

I'd rather give them the Batarians  After all, Vorcha can be trained to do useful things

[jamesp81]

Dracotamer wrote...

Earth. Humans are the most robust and would adjust the easiest to a new homeworld.

Please read my OP.  If you think sacrificing Earth is the best choice, that's fine, but don't do it under the guise that we would recover from it the easiest.  The loss of Earth would end any independent human worlds, as the colonies simply don't have the ability to defend themselves without Earth.  At best we end up slaves to the Batarians or a client race of the Turians.  At worst, we go extinct.

Assuming we evacuate the females from the Salarian homeworld, they could have their world repopulated within a couple of Salarian generations.  If Earth is lost, it will never be repopulated.  At least not by humans.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Can we evacuate part of Earth's population as Shepard sees fit?

[jamesp81]

Manic Sheep wrote...

I wouldn’t pick Sur'Kesh for who would recover the best. Most of their females are on their home planet. Even if they managed to repopulate from the few females that are left it would screw them over genetically I would think.  
Hmm Thessia maybe? all of the Asari can reproduce and they can do so with every race. They already lack huge amount of genetic variation (since they don’t take DNA from their partner) and again can reproduce with anyone so that doesn’t seem like it would be an issue. They also seem to have a huge presence all around the galaxy. Slow breeding tho.

 Also I don’t like them as a race. *ahem*

Evacuate the females from Sur'Kesh.  That was one of the things I mentioned in the OP.  Even if you only evacuated a very few, however, we're talking about the people who created the genophage.  I doubt they'd be "screwed genetically" even if the females weren't evacuated.  They could test tube grow females if they needed to.

[jamesp81]

ReconTeam wrote...

Can we evacuate part of Earth's population as Shepard sees fit?

I don't think it would change much.  There are 11.4 billion people on earth in ME.  Where are you going to get the lift capacity to evacuate even a small percentage?

It's also worth noting that Earth is about more than just the people.  Most of humanity's heavy industry is in the Sol system itself.  Losing Earth means losing the Sol system and all that industry.  Even if you lifted out a few hundred million to other colonies, I don't know if it would make a lot of difference in the long run.  The colonies have plenty of natural resources, but they lack the industry to turn those resources into military equipment.

[Elite Midget]

I thought the general census was that Virmire was hated due to the forced decision.

[Sajuro]

Elite Midget wrote...

I thought the general census was that Virmire was hated due to the forced decision.

because we weren't able to kill them both.

[Big stupid jellyfish]

I find the readiness of some of you to get rid of this or that planet/race disgusting.

[Nashiktal]

jamesp81 wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

I wouldn’t pick Sur'Kesh for who would recover the best. Most of their females are on their home planet. Even if they managed to repopulate from the few females that are left it would screw them over genetically I would think.  
Hmm Thessia maybe? all of the Asari can reproduce and they can do so with every race. They already lack huge amount of genetic variation (since they don’t take DNA from their partner) and again can reproduce with anyone so that doesn’t seem like it would be an issue. They also seem to have a huge presence all around the galaxy. Slow breeding tho.

 Also I don’t like them as a race. *ahem*

Evacuate the females from Sur'Kesh.  That was one of the things I mentioned in the OP.  Even if you only evacuated a very few, however, we're talking about the people who created the genophage.  I doubt they'd be "screwed genetically" even if the females weren't evacuated.  They could test tube grow females if they needed to.

Salarian females arn't all hoarded at Sur'kesh. They are just kept in Salarian colonies. Salarian culture and government would be quite different if all the females were kept in one place.

In any case I doubt we will have a virmire esque decision regarding homeworlds. Remember that there will be games beyond ME3, and letting the play screw with the galactic balance will make future games even harder to implement. We arn't talking squadmate variables here, we are talking about full on Mass Effect lore. 

No if we are going to lose any worlds, it will probably be at least partially scripted, and if we do get to choose, it won't count in future games.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 28 avril 2011 - 05:28 .

[Labrev]

While I really like the Turians, Palaven is oh so tempting. If for no other reason than to hear the turian councilor's reaction.

But yeah, I never really liked those crazy asari, so I'd go Thessia. Stupid space babes, stupid "oh goddess!" crap, stupid 1000-year old race...

[Labrev]

Big stupid jellyfish wrote...

I find the readiness of some of you to get rid of this or that planet/race disgusting.

... mind you, I'm treating this topic EXTREMELY lightly.

[jamesp81]

Nashiktal wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

I wouldn’t pick Sur'Kesh for who would recover the best. Most of their females are on their home planet. Even if they managed to repopulate from the few females that are left it would screw them over genetically I would think.  
Hmm Thessia maybe? all of the Asari can reproduce and they can do so with every race. They already lack huge amount of genetic variation (since they don’t take DNA from their partner) and again can reproduce with anyone so that doesn’t seem like it would be an issue. They also seem to have a huge presence all around the galaxy. Slow breeding tho.

 Also I don’t like them as a race. *ahem*

Evacuate the females from Sur'Kesh.  That was one of the things I mentioned in the OP.  Even if you only evacuated a very few, however, we're talking about the people who created the genophage.  I doubt they'd be "screwed genetically" even if the females weren't evacuated.  They could test tube grow females if they needed to.

Salarian females arn't all hoarded at Sur'kesh. They are just kept in Salarian colonies. Salarian culture and government would be quite different if all the females were kept in one place.

In any case I doubt we will have a virmire esque decision regarding homeworlds. Remember that there will be games beyond ME3, and letting the play screw with the galactic balance will make future games even harder to implement. We arn't talking squadmate variables here, we are talking about full on Mass Effect lore. 

No if we are going to lose any worlds, it will probably be at least partially scripted, and if we do get to choose, it won't count in future games.

You do make a good point here about the lore.  I, personally, would not be interested in any future ME spinoffs if one of the major races (especially humanity) was reduced to near nothing.

[Nashiktal]

jamesp81 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

I wouldn’t pick Sur'Kesh for who would recover the best. Most of their females are on their home planet. Even if they managed to repopulate from the few females that are left it would screw them over genetically I would think.  
Hmm Thessia maybe? all of the Asari can reproduce and they can do so with every race. They already lack huge amount of genetic variation (since they don’t take DNA from their partner) and again can reproduce with anyone so that doesn’t seem like it would be an issue. They also seem to have a huge presence all around the galaxy. Slow breeding tho.

 Also I don’t like them as a race. *ahem*

Evacuate the females from Sur'Kesh.  That was one of the things I mentioned in the OP.  Even if you only evacuated a very few, however, we're talking about the people who created the genophage.  I doubt they'd be "screwed genetically" even if the females weren't evacuated.  They could test tube grow females if they needed to.

Salarian females arn't all hoarded at Sur'kesh. They are just kept in Salarian colonies. Salarian culture and government would be quite different if all the females were kept in one place.

In any case I doubt we will have a virmire esque decision regarding homeworlds. Remember that there will be games beyond ME3, and letting the play screw with the galactic balance will make future games even harder to implement. We arn't talking squadmate variables here, we are talking about full on Mass Effect lore. 

No if we are going to lose any worlds, it will probably be at least partially scripted, and if we do get to choose, it won't count in future games.

You do make a good point here about the lore.  I, personally, would not be interested in any future ME spinoffs if one of the major races (especially humanity) was reduced to near nothing.

Or if your choice to say... Blow up the Quarian migrant fleet prevented future titles from being concieved, or to just blatantly have your choice ignored.

[Elite Midget]

Sajuro wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

I thought the general census was that Virmire was hated due to the forced decision.

because we weren't able to kill them both.

By both you mean Tali and Garrus? If so than I agree. Really wished I could have left one of them behind instead of VS.

[Niddy']

Earth.  Goodbye.

Modifié par Niddy', 28 avril 2011 - 07:32 .

[Barquiel]

Palaven

Turians are annoying.

[Leonia]

Earth and Thessia are very low on my priority list.

In a war against the Reapers, it's probably a good idea to have the one species that has a culture revolving around miltiary service and going to war on your team. You'll want those turian dreadnoughts on your side, trust me. Ditto goes for the salarians and their STG, plus you're going to need some sciency types to help out. Ideally, I'd like to have the krogan onboard but if I have to choose between them and the salarians, then I'd much rather go with the salarians. Definitely going to try and help the quarians (to add to my big ass fleet) as well. While it would be nice to have the System Alliance on board (for more ships) I won't be too upset if Earth has to be sacrificed. The asari aren't coordinated enough to be effective on the battlefield, though their biotics would be useful if they could some how rally together. These are all choices based on tactical value more than anything else (though it's no secret which species are my favourites).

Modifié par leonia42, 28 avril 2011 - 08:19 .

[Asari_Party]

Thessia must be saved.

Palaven - destroyed

[Kaiser Shepard]

Elite Midget wrote...

I thought the general census was that Virmire was hated due to the forced decision.

On the contrary, I thought people appreciated how it was set up to be a decision with no black or white choices.

ReconTeam wrote...

Can we evacuate part of Earth's population as Shepard sees fit?

Nope, that's Revan #101: If we suddenly have lots of people moving out (per Normandy class ships?), the Reapers would notice that something big is going to happen soon.

[TobyHasEyes]

Elite Midget wrote...

I thought the general census was that Virmire was hated due to the forced decision.

 A lot of people do seem to think that, but I liked having a decision which didn't have an opt-out Charm/Intimidate response