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[sevalaricgirl]

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Babe Mause wrote...

I like Jacob way more than Kaidan. They are very similar in many aspects(alliance soldiers, biotic powers, angsty past, well-adjusted, both won't speak of personal stuff right away etc), but Kaidan is 'by the book' kind of guy who sees loyalty to the Alliance as most important thing in the world, and Jacob has no problem in bending rules if it gets the job done. And I like such characters more that 'good kids', so I hope Jacob is back.

There's no problem with being by the book.  Most military men are trained to live with standards and I appreciate that in real and in games.

That's one of Paragon Shep's main virtues. My Shep is a Paragon.

I role play femShep and choose the choices I'd make myself and I am always top of the Paragon and barely any renegade.

[Pani Mauser]

sevalaricgirl wrote...
There's no problem with being by the book.  Most military men are trained to live with standards and I appreciate that in real and in games.

Good for you. And I'd rather have a guy on a team who is willing to jump into terrorist group with me if it is for the right cause than the one who turns his back  on me just because I'm not loyal to his favourite organization.

Also, you're getting your character back for sure. You can relax and anticiate the game with joy. And I have a confirmation only on Garrus, and all other eleven characters I'd love to see can end up just cameos, so I'm worrying about it a lot. So please deal with the fact that people who happened to like other characters are not happy about the situation. You won already, be happy and don't bother with those who don't share your love to the Kaidan.
 

Modifié par Babe Mause, 29 avril 2011 - 12:04 .

[Pani Mauser]

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

There's no problem with being by the book.  Most military men are trained to live with standards and I appreciate that in real and in games.

That's one of Paragon Shep's main virtues. My Shep is a Paragon.

And how is being by the book equals Paragon?

My Sheps is a full Paragon too, but she is a Spectre who operates on her own, not an Alliance lapdog.

[Mafiaman32693]

I have no problem with Jacob making a return in ME3. Even though he was Cerberus, I never felt like I COULDN'T trust the guy. Heck, he was honest with you right off the bat about who it was he really worked for and what exactly his intentions were for why he joined them. He was a pretty honorable buy, and I respected that. Jacob was without a doubt one of the most down-to-earth characters on the Normandy in ME2, and I think we needed a character like that on board a ship full of battle hardened psychos and murderers (generally speaking, as we all know there's more to the rest of the crew than that). Besides Garrus, I felt like he was one of the only other characters that Shepard could really relate to, in the sense that they both did something pretty heroic, and got swept under the rug by the Council. I think that's why he's a prime candidate to be another buddy character for Shepard, like Garrus is. You just don't get that kind of a connection with the other characters.

[Urdnot Orrad]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Babe Mause wrote...

I like Jacob way more than Kaidan. They are very similar in many aspects(alliance soldiers, biotic powers, angsty past, well-adjusted, both won't speak of personal stuff right away etc), but Kaidan is 'by the book' kind of guy who sees loyalty to the Alliance as most important thing in the world, and Jacob has no problem in bending rules if it gets the job done. And I like such characters more that 'good kids', so I hope Jacob is back.

There's no problem with being by the book.  Most military men are trained to live with standards and I appreciate that in real and in games.

That's one of Paragon Shep's main virtues. My Shep is a Paragon.

I role play femShep and choose the choices I'd make myself and I am always top of the Paragon and barely any renegade.

Same here, actually. Tbh, renegade in ME1 made my stomach turn most of the time.... they did make it a bit more of a smartass-type deal instead of a ******-type in ME2, though, so I found playing Renegade in ME2 had some really funny moments.

[Urdnot Orrad]

Babe Mause wrote...

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

There's no problem with being by the book.  Most military men are trained to live with standards and I appreciate that in real and in games.

That's one of Paragon Shep's main virtues. My Shep is a Paragon.

And how is being by the book equals Paragon?

My Sheps is a full Paragon too, but she is a Spectre who operates on her own, not an Alliance lapdog.

What I meant was in the type of "No civilian casualties", since Paragon options when speaking to Garrus in ME1 emphasis this.

[Pani Mauser]

Urdnot Orrad wrote...


What I meant was in the type of "No civilian casualties", since Paragon options when speaking to Garrus in ME1 emphasis this.

Same here, all NPCs that can be saved are saved in my game. Even mercs get the second chance. But what it has to do with being by the book? Maybe we have different understanding of the term? For me, being by the book means to obey  orders of your superiors even if they are wrong in your opinion. And that's not about my Shep. She will do what is right even if  she ends up being branded as criminal.

[Urdnot Orrad]

Babe Mause wrote...

Urdnot Orrad wrote...


What I meant was in the type of "No civilian casualties", since Paragon options when speaking to Garrus in ME1 emphasis this.

Same here, all NPCs that can be saved are saved in my game. Even mercs get the second chance. But what it has to do with being by the book? Maybe we have different understanding of the term? For me, being by the book means to obey  orders of your superiors even if they are wrong in your opinion. And that's not about my Shep. She will do what is right even if  she ends up being branded as criminal.

Well, same with my Shep... partly because, you know, you steal the Normandy in ME1. No way around it, because at THIS point, even a full Paragon Shep realizes that doing as they are told will be BAD, and thus they are forced to take matters into their own hands, and screw what consequences may come later.

[Canadish]

I always felt bad for Jacob. He had such potential. Normal dude does not = boring.
But Bioware just cant seem to create and interesting, mentally stable human being.
Not to mention Jacob felt forced in. A last minute addition to round out Shepard's "Dirty Dozen".
And he also ties into the whole
You HAVE to work for Cerberus. No choices for you, you dirty Paragon
That probably put him on the wrong footing with half the players already. He started well, his by the book personality was actually a welcome change.
Bioware just chose to never explain his reasoning. W
Why does Jacob think like that? What event snapped Jacob into joining Cerberus?
Perhaps this ties his father in? That could have given more weight to his personal quest.

Sadly poor Jacob never stood a chance.
The "PRIIIIIIIIIIZE" was the nail in the coffin. Who on earth wrote that romance!?

Still, he lives in my game. Hope the guy finds a nice girl and lives a happy life at the end of everything. But I kinda want that for everyone...
Except Miranda. I hope a Reaper falls on her plot armored face.

Modifié par Canadish, 29 avril 2011 - 12:59 .

[Pani Mauser]

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

Well, same with my Shep... partly because, you know, you steal the Normandy in ME1. No way around it, because at THIS point, even a full Paragon Shep realizes that doing as they are told will be BAD, and thus they are forced to take matters into their own hands, and screw what consequences may come later.

I loved that part. Though, in ME3 Alliance get even. *sigh* Hope they won't kill the hamster in the process.

[Urdnot Orrad]

Canadish wrote...

I always felt bad for Jacob. He had such potential. Normal dude does not = boring.
But Bioware just cant seem to create and interesting, mentally stable human being.
Not to mention Jacob felt forced in. A last minute addition to round out Shepard's "Dirty Dozen".
And he also ties into the whole
You HAVE to work for Cerberus. No choices for you, you dirty Paragon
That probably put him on the wrong footing with half the players already. He started well, his by the book personality was actually a welcome change.
Bioware just chose to never explain his reasoning. W
Why does Jacob think like that? What event snapped Jacob into joining Cerberus?
Perhaps this ties his father in? That could have given more weight to his personal quest.

Sadly poor Jacob never stood a chance.
The "PRIIIIIIIIIIZE" was the nail in the coffin. Who on earth wrote that romance!?

Still, he lives in my game. Hope the guy finds a nice girl and lives a happy life at the end of everything. But I kinda want that for everyone...
Except Miranda. I hope a Reaper falls on her plot armored face.

My Shep wants everyone in his squad to live, because I do. Jacob's his best friend at the end of the game, like I said earlier, because he is normal. The closest other squadmates to that were Tali, Garrus, Thane, and Legion. Also Samara, to a lesser extent, though she and my canon Shep got along pretty well once Shep got past the seemingly extreme Justicar Code deal.

[Urdnot Orrad]

Babe Mause wrote...

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

Well, same with my Shep... partly because, you know, you steal the Normandy in ME1. No way around it, because at THIS point, even a full Paragon Shep realizes that doing as they are told will be BAD, and thus they are forced to take matters into their own hands, and screw what consequences may come later.

I loved that part. Though, in ME3 Alliance get even. *sigh* Hope they won't kill the hamster in the process.

Agreed.

[saMoorai]

I could go on and on about why i Love Jacob. but to make a long story short: He's my favorite character in the Series and would love it if he came back as a Squad member.

[Pani Mauser]

Canadish wrote...

Except Miranda. I hope a Reaper falls on her plot armored face.

I don't think she has a plot armor. I got her killed on my first playthrough somehow, and then I had to find the guide, so I could save her next walkthrough. The only characters with plot armors are VS and Liara, they were removed from ME2 so no one kills them.

[Xeranx]

Eiliestl wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

I'd rather not have Jacob back if it means I can avoid seeing "homie" in the same sentence. Kaidan's never someone's homie, but Jacob? That's my homie. *rollseyes*

What's wrong with homie? Kaidan's too soft to be anybody's homie he's more of a buddy or a bro .You call your friends bro don't you?

Of course I call my friends bro, but I'm intrigued by how Kaidan is "too soft to be anybody's homie".  I don't know if you're just joking around, but if not can you see how you just separated the two when I was already discussing that separation in how Kaidan can't be a homie but Jacob can?

[lolwut666]

Jacob is boring because he is... well... boring.

He doesn't need to be troubled, but he should at least have a bit of an attitude to make interacting with him more interesting.

Imagine if he said stuff like this:

"Man, those Collectors looked mean. Meaner than two fat mother****ers wrestling over pork chops and greens, can you dig it?"

"Oh, Shadow Broker, you might be big and bad, but now yo ass is in trouble 'cause you done got me mad!"

That would've been awesomesauce.

Modifié par lolwut666, 29 avril 2011 - 06:10 .

[Saphara]

lolwut666 wrote...

Jacob is boring because he is... well... boring.

He doesn't need to be troubled, but he should at least have a bit of an attitude to make interacting with him more interesting.

Imagine if he said stuff like this:

"Man, those Collectors looked mean. Meaner than two fat mother****ers wrestling over porkshops and greens, can you dig it?"

"Oh, Shadow Broker, you might be big and bad, but now yo ass is in trouble 'cause you done got me mad!"

That would've been awesomesauce.

Which...would turn him into another typical black stereotype. He has a perosnality, it just happens to be completely overshadowed by everyone else's screwed up ones vs his normal one.

Although...Sazh was cool. Throughly enjoyed his character.

[lolwut666]

Better to make him a stereotype than an originally boring character.

[Saphara]

lolwut666 wrote...

Better to make him a stereotype than an originally boring character.

Not really. I find stereotypes incredibly boring and unoriginal. I personally find it a sign of weak writing. Also, what is wrong with being normal and level headed? Keeps one grounded and head in the game.

[Eiliestl]

lolwut666 wrote...

Jacob is boring because he is... well... boring.

He doesn't need to be troubled, but he should at least have a bit of an attitude to make interacting with him more interesting.

Imagine if he said stuff like this:

"Man, those Collectors looked mean. Meaner than two fat mother****ers wrestling over pork chops and greens, can you dig it?"

"Oh, Shadow Broker, you might be big and bad, but now yo ass is in trouble 'cause you done got me mad!"

That would've been awesomesauce.

See what you did there? Why would he need to do any of that , because he's black so he needs to crack jokes all day.And yes I played the race card.

[lolwut666]

Saphara wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

Better to make him a stereotype than an originally boring character.

Not really. I find stereotypes incredibly boring and unoriginal. I personally find it a sign of weak writing. Also, what is wrong with being normal and level headed? Keeps one grounded and head in the game.

The problem is that it's not entertaining.

Modifié par lolwut666, 29 avril 2011 - 06:16 .

[Saphara]

lolwut666 wrote...

Saphara wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

Better to make him a stereotype than an originally boring character.

Not really. I find stereotypes incredibly boring and unoriginal. I personally find it a sign of weak writing. Also, what is wrong with being normal and level headed? Keeps one grounded and head in the game.

The problem is that it's not entertaining.

Depends. I find it refreshing, and from a role playing perspective my Shepard is glad to have someone that is level headed on her team and no possible ulterior motives.

With all the other big personalities, I honestly think he'd blend in more and be even more unmemorable. Everyone else seems to have already taken a personality niche.

[Eiliestl]

Xeranx wrote...

Eiliestl wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

I'd rather not have Jacob back if it means I can avoid seeing "homie" in the same sentence. Kaidan's never someone's homie, but Jacob? That's my homie. *rollseyes*

What's wrong with homie? Kaidan's too soft to be anybody's homie he's more of a buddy or a bro .You call your friends bro don't you?

Of course I call my friends bro, but I'm intrigued by how Kaidan is "too soft to be anybody's homie".  I don't know if you're just joking around, but if not can you see how you just separated the two when I was already discussing that separation in how Kaidan can't be a homie but Jacob can?

No I just find it funny that you have an issue with the phrase homie?But not bro?

[thatbwoyblu]

lolwut666 wrote...

Better to make him a stereotype than an originally boring character.

I couldnt agree more my brother. Jacob was too safe Biobwoys shold of took a risk with my bwoy Jacobs character. I think if they did take that risk nobody would be screaming "Jacob is Boring". Honestly, I liked Jacob more than Garrus.

[flem1]

HealthyGiraffe wrote...

Jacob was boring as hell in Mass Effect 2. He was the worst character, I think most of us can agree with that.

No, emo "I take no responsibility" assassin Thane was the worst.

More useful in combat though.

And what's with the stereotype nonsense?  Funny British guy is much more stereotypical, and, um, Alistair.

Modifié par flem1, 30 avril 2011 - 04:26 .