347 réponses à ce sujet

[neppakyo]

Siansonea II wrote...

neppakyo wrote...

I thought the main complaint was releasing an item DLC before the game was fixed. Since quite a few are still having problems playing it. (DRM etc) Also, with the bad vibes against DA2, one of these DLC packs kinda adds fuel to the fire of negativity.

Just sayin'

Negativity needs no fuel, it feeds on itself. Does BioWare need to fix some things? They sure do. Does an angry mob of villagers with digital pitchforks and binary torches saying "BioWare Sux!" help that process along in any way? I'd say no. If anything, such obvious ire would lead to a belief that such customers are beyond reclaiming, and if anything should be written off entirely from a product planning and review standpoint. BioWare is not going to woo them back to the franchise after this. Better to focus on the people who have a less-then-stellar opinion of the game, but also are fair-minded enough to acknowledge the things about the game that they like. Or people like myself, who mostly liked the game, but can see several areas of improvement (a feeling I also have about the two Mass Effect games). Purely negative and purely positive feedback is almost always useless. But I don't think any of this firestorm is for BioWare's benefit, it is just unhappy people wanting to let everyone around them know that they're Mad And Not Gonna Take It Anymore™.

To the bolded. Ya mean this?

I've added some negativity myself, mostly from frustration. I didn't mind the idea of the story, it was just executed very badly, immersion breakers and plot holes. The combat was horrid in my mind. too anime with the flips and bloody explosions, and could of been slowed down around 25%. Would of preferred DA:O's combat, but fixed up, and a bit faster. The combat animations just look better in DA:O. The wave spawns was just pure laziness on bioware's part, and implimented poorly.

So I am not very fond of this game, not to mention the bugs still out there, and the poorly done DRM.

So in my mind if they waited to release the frivalous DLC's until after the next patch fixes things, would be less negativity.

Just my opinion mind you.

Modifié par neppakyo, 30 avril 2011 - 11:35 .

[Morroian]

PirateT138 wrote...

Spit in the face. This solidifies that I will not ever buy a piece of DA2 DLC.

Releasing this crap and then asking me to PAY for it (when you already released such a mediocre, broken game) is insulting. A little good will (making it stupid cheap or free) would have gone a long way.

Here is that entitlement thing again.

[Morroian]

Robtachi wrote...

Replies like this prove positive you fail to or refuse to glean the purpose of this discussion. Why bother posting at all if you're not going to give your fellow posters the consideration their replies ask for?

ISTM that you're just pushing your own barrow and ignoring all evidence to the contrary just as much as you claim others are. Read Fernando's post referenced above just for example.

[Siansonea]

neppakyo wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

neppakyo wrote...

I thought the main complaint was releasing an item DLC before the game was fixed. Since quite a few are still having problems playing it. (DRM etc) Also, with the bad vibes against DA2, one of these DLC packs kinda adds fuel to the fire of negativity.

Just sayin'

Negativity needs no fuel, it feeds on itself. Does BioWare need to fix some things? They sure do. Does an angry mob of villagers with digital pitchforks and binary torches saying "BioWare Sux!" help that process along in any way? I'd say no. If anything, such obvious ire would lead to a belief that such customers are beyond reclaiming, and if anything should be written off entirely from a product planning and review standpoint. BioWare is not going to woo them back to the franchise after this. Better to focus on the people who have a less-then-stellar opinion of the game, but also are fair-minded enough to acknowledge the things about the game that they like. Or people like myself, who mostly liked the game, but can see several areas of improvement (a feeling I also have about the two Mass Effect games). Purely negative and purely positive feedback is almost always useless. But I don't think any of this firestorm is for BioWare's benefit, it is just unhappy people wanting to let everyone around them know that they're Mad And Not Gonna Take It Anymore™.

To the bolded. Ya mean this?

I've added some negativity myself, mostly from frustration. I didn't mind the idea of the story, it was just executed very badly, immersion breakers and plot holes. The combat was horrid in my mind. too anime with the flips and bloody explosions, and could of been slowed down around 25%. Would of preferred DA:O's combat, but fixed up, and a bit faster. The combat animations just look better in DA:O. The wave spawns was just pure laziness on bioware's part, and implimented poorly.

So I am not very fond of this game, not to mention the bugs still out there, and the poorly done DRM.

So in my mind if they waited to release the frivalous DLC's until after the next patch fixes things, would be less negativity.

Just my opinion mind you.

I'm sure a lot of people share your opinion about the combat, and to be honest it's not my favorite aspect of the game either. But as long as people have bought and kept the game, then BioWare did its job. It sold a unit. Now, that may not be enough to keep the DLC train going, but I doubt that DLC accounts for a huge portion of the company's revenue anyway, or if it does it is because of a significant profit margin built into the cost, so that they can make more profit on fewer units sold. 

The DRM thing is a separate issue, though, since it pertains to something that isn't an intrinsic feature of the game itself, but rather an 'under the hood' issue. Does it need to be fixed? By all means. 

I dont' think the DLCs are frivolous. If anything, these relatively cheap-to-produce DLCs are good to 'test the waters' for BioWare. If they perform poorly, it might signal them to shift some personnel away from developing DA2 DLC, and toward developing content for other titles. After all, they've already sold the game itself, and the DLC is an optional value-added item that not everyone is going to purchase. It may not be worthwhile to continue to develop it. If I was allocating people and computers to developing stuff at BioWare, I would take one look at these forums and declare Dragon Age 2 a dry well. If people hate the game this much, no patch or DLC is going to appease them. So why bother? On to the next property. Those people can be creating meshes and textures for Mass Effect 3 or some other game in the works.

[Kilshrek]

Exzander1 wrote...

I beat portal 2 in about 4 and a half hours. If it took you 8 hours, you must have struggled a lot with some of the puzzles. If you are adding co-op, I don't consider co-op part of the main game. Many, many, many people don't have friends with the same console that also bought portal 2, or many people don't play online, or many people don't even like co-op in general and thus only play the single player game. The meat of any game (unless it's made to be an online game) is the single player expeirence, and the single player experience is about 5 hours long and is far, far, far too short to even consider a purchase from me, especially when it has 0 replay value unless you have alzheimer's and forget how to do the puzzles after beating them.

It took me almost 40 hours my first play, and about 25-30 hours my second in DA2. There definitely are people who have spent 50+ hours on the game easily, and as I said, if you youtube DSPgaming's Dragon Age 2 video walkthrough, he comes in at 70 hours, and I'm sure he's not the only one. You personally might not have spent a lot of time with it, but that does not matter. Just 'casue a small minotiry of people are upset and didn't get a lot of content out of it, doesn't mean you or any of these people in the minority should in any way shape or form get a free DLC, or anything free outside of a patch to fix bugs.

As for them doing it for sales, it's up to them. It's their product, their money, their business model. As you said, it's "their baby". So, what's the purpose of them even considering a free DLC if they don't want to? They don't owe anything to their customers, they put out a product (DA2), if you buy it good, if you don't that's okay too, but just because you buy something doesn't mean you should get free additional content if you're not happy with it. Keep in mind, I'm not saying you are saying Bioware is obligated to give us free DLC or putting words in your mouth or any such thing - I'm making a general statment that everyone here bought a product, many like it/love it, some don't like it/love it, that happens to every game anywhere. The game has bugs, so did Fallout New Vegas and countless other games, and just because it has bugs or isn't as good as one thought, does not mean in any way that they should give out a free DLC unless Bioware feels like it for whatever reason, and if they don't, then they are doing the same thing about 90% of all game devs do, which is not give out free DLC.

No, unless you're going off the Steam in-game timer then that time is wrong. Nobody can really finish it in under 7 hours, unless you got the missing content bug, which apparently cuts out swathes of the game for some people. At any rate check the time between the first and last single player achievement and you get an idea of how much time you actually spent. I didn't struggle through any of the puzzles, I took my time to enjoy the dialogue and smashing test screens actually. I don't see what you stand to gain from trying to imply that I sucked at the puzzles when the vast majority of players did actually take 8 hours to finish the game. It's not a set of impossible challenges, though the DLC may aim to solve that.

And I'm done arguing/discussing the other things, because it's getting nowhere anyway. And, while this is most definitely not the final word in any discussion nor is it admissible as evidence of any sort Dragon Age 2 and Portal 2 are having rather different times on Metacritic, both from the "pro's" and the community. As I've said many times, goodwill gestures to the community. But what do I know? I'm one of those in the minority who don't really like DA 2.

[Robtachi]

Morroian wrote...

Robtachi wrote...

Replies like this prove positive you fail to or refuse to glean the purpose of this discussion. Why bother posting at all if you're not going to give your fellow posters the consideration their replies ask for?

ISTM that you're just pushing your own barrow and ignoring all evidence to the contrary just as much as you claim others are. Read Fernando's post referenced above just for example.

Fernando's post, while informative, did not really address anything that I brought up as a concern. He was simply doing us the courtesy of giving a better glimpse into the process of creating DLC.

[neppakyo]

Siansonea II wrote...

I'm sure a lot of people share your opinion about the combat, and to be honest it's not my favorite aspect of the game either. But as long as people have bought and kept the game, then BioWare did its job. It sold a unit. Now, that may not be enough to keep the DLC train going, but I doubt that DLC accounts for a huge portion of the company's revenue anyway, or if it does it is because of a significant profit margin built into the cost, so that they can make more profit on fewer units sold. 

The DRM thing is a separate issue, though, since it pertains to something that isn't an intrinsic feature of the game itself, but rather an 'under the hood' issue. Does it need to be fixed? By all means. 

I dont' think the DLCs are frivolous. If anything, these relatively cheap-to-produce DLCs are good to 'test the waters' for BioWare. If they perform poorly, it might signal them to shift some personnel away from developing DA2 DLC, and toward developing content for other titles. After all, they've already sold the game itself, and the DLC is an optional value-added item that not everyone is going to purchase. It may not be worthwhile to continue to develop it. If I was allocating people and computers to developing stuff at BioWare, I would take one look at these forums and declare Dragon Age 2 a dry well. If people hate the game this much, no patch or DLC is going to appease them. So why bother? On to the next property. Those people can be creating meshes and textures for Mass Effect 3 or some other game in the works.

I've bought a few DLC's when they were a new experience for me, then the novelty wore off and I shake my head on the money I wasted on them. (well, Overlord was pretty decent, so was kinda worth it.). I'm really disliking this DLC scheme all companies are doing now, I miss the days of the ol' expansion, like for nwn1 and that.

If they make another DA game, and if its anything like DA2, I'm afraid thats it for me for the DA franchise. I am looking forward to ME3 though, and I do hope its as good or better than ME2.

I think they need all the people they can get for TOR. That MMORPG game is a make or break one for BW, with the massive amount of money already flushed into the toilet for it. I personally can't really stand MMORPG's, pay full price for a game, then keep paying monthly for it? No thanks. I may check out Guild Wars 2 when it comes out(no monthly fee), not going to even glance at TOR. 

The monthly fee is a sticking point for me, a reason I don't have xbox live. Not paying for that crap.

[Persephone]

PresidentCowboy wrote...

... so... I bought the item pack and it's pretty alright. Good to have a good armour set other than the Champion's armour.

Oh sorry, I meant ORIGINS ORIGINS ORIGINS

:lol::lol:

Thanks, I needed a good laugh. (No sarcasm)

[The Metalion]

David Gaider wrote...

It's true that some people seem
intent on making the forums pretty toxic. As someone pointed out above,
however, we're pretty much used to filtering out the extremes of
opinion-- for the most part I think it's safe to assume that fans are so
passionate because they care, and that those who engage in gross
hyperbole do so because they either believe this makes their opinion
more convincing or because they think that shouting above everyone else
is the only way to get heard.

That doesn't mean their problems
don't exist. We recognize that. At the same time, it doesn't exactly
make it an environment where we can engage in much discussion-- if
discussion is actually desired, which sadly doesn't seem to always be
the case.

What's good is that there are people who do make a
point of expressing their concerns in a thoughtful and intelligent
manner despite all the static. We are reading them, and while
some folks seem to take anything positive being said about DA2 as a
blanket dismissal of anyone who didn't enjoy it, that's really not the
truth. It's silly to say that no-one has issues just as it's silly to
say everyone did. As always, we'll look at the feedback and take it into
consideration as we move forward-- there's really not much more to say
at this point, other than announcements will be forthcoming from those
who make such things (which is not me).

Very wise words from Mr Gaider.

[Chromie]

You know this makes me laugh....really

Very short

If the Witcher 2 receives post-release DLC it won't "be a sword pack," the game's producer Tomasz Gop has told VG247.

"I can’t say anything specific, I can't promise anything for sure, but what I can say is that if at any point in the future we will be announcing and then releasing DLC for the Witcher 2, it's definitely not going to be a sword pack or anything," said Gop.

[Chromie]

double post

Modifié par Ringo12, 01 mai 2011 - 01:38 .

[Sabiancym]

I hope everyone pirates this DLC.

This is ridiculous that they would do this. EA is destroying Bioware.

[Elhanan]

Ringo12 wrote...

double post

I prefer this edited version.

You have just helped insure that at least one here will never try that other game, if only due to the callous representation shown here, as well as quoting remarks from one company that insult another. And AFAIK, without the Bioware engine, they would have no game. Quite the professionals....

[Chromie]

Elhanan wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

double post

I prefer this edited version.

You have just helped insure that at least one here will never try that other game, if only due to the callous representation shown here, as well as quoting remarks from one company that insult another. And AFAIK, without the Bioware engine, they would have no game. Quite the professionals....

Hmm I don't remember CDPRojekt ever saying anything about Bioware. The only thing I can ever recall they said about DA2 is that Witcher 2 will have better graphics then it. Which is true. Other then that they have never said anything.

And yes they used the Aurora engine and guess what. CDProjekt made a new engine that takes advantage of what a PC can offer.

[Sabiancym]

Where are these items even located in game? They don't seem to be in the same place that all the signature edition rewards were.....

[Kilshrek]

Sabiancym wrote...

Where are these items even located in game? They don't seem to be in the same place that all the signature edition rewards were.....

Unless their journal(most likely to tell you they're there) entries say otherwise you pick them up from that same chest. Maybe you didn't install them? I wouldn't know, never picked it up.

[Plaintiff]

I'm still cracking up over the way people are treating $5 as a princely sum. Has anyone mentioned how many African children I could feed instead of buying the item pack? I haven't had my daily shot of self-righteous indignation yet.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 01 mai 2011 - 03:59 .

[Kilshrek]

Plaintiff wrote...

I'm still cracking up over the way people are treating $5 as a princely sum. Has anyone mentioned how many African children I could feed instead of buying the item pack? I haven't had my daily shot of self-righteous indignation yet.

What's your point then? Have you fed any African children today?

[Plaintiff]

Kilshrek wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I'm still cracking up over the way people are treating $5 as a princely sum. Has anyone mentioned how many African children I could feed instead of buying the item pack? I haven't had my daily shot of self-righteous indignation yet.

What's your point then? Have you fed any African children today?

No, and I don't plan to. My "point" was merely an observation of how posters in this thread and others are grossly exaggerating the value of $5.

[TaHol]

88mphSlayer wrote...

PirateT138 wrote...

Spit in the face. This solidifies that I will not ever buy a piece of DA2 DLC.

Releasing this crap and then asking me to PAY for it (when you already released such a mediocre, broken game) is insulting. A little good will (making it stupid cheap or free) would have gone a long way.

Bioware asked you to buy dlc?

What a hypocryte. Every company who sells something basically asks people to buy their products, they spend heaps of money in marketing. You seen a company who says: we have this thing for sell, but actually you don't have to buy it 'cos in fact,  you don't need it? Every company tries to sell as much as they can, and yes, they are asking people to buy their products.

[Sabriana]

And then $ 5 more for the next one. And then $ 5 more for # 3, and so on, and so on. It's called being nickeled and dimed to death. For the price of DLC item pack # 1 and DLC item pack # 2 I can get a whole game.

True that game would be older, but older games are not automatically bad. The only real thing one could complain about would be older graphics and sprites instead of fully developed people, but those are things that are not really important to me, personally.

Money matters to me. I can't throw it away, and I can't run to Mommy and Daddy to ask for it. I *am* the Mommy that gets run to. That's why DLC is so important to companies. They don't cost "the world" piece by piece, but it adds up in the end. A customer is less likely to shell out 25 euros all at once for inferior products, but they are very likely to pay 5 euros and say "well, what's 5 euros, anyway.".

Then comes the next DLC, spaced a month or so apart. And the next, and the next. Before you know it, you have shelled out 25 euros for 50 pieces of armor and/or weapons and perhaps 4 hours worth of content. No thanks. I'll pass, if you don't mind

That said, I don't care, really, about the DLC. It would have been nice to receive something for free, but I can live without it. I've never bought ANY DLC for any game, and I'm doing quite nicely. Still alive and kicking, and still enjoying the games I purchased. *Without* even a scrap of DLC anywhere in sight.

Perhaps I should add up the money I've saved by not buying any DLC. I bet I can come up with a good sum. Since I've also avoided half-baked Exp Packs, that would be an even higher amount. I might do that later on. Because I've avoided DLC like the pestilence, I've no clue what they did cost, so I'd have to do research.

[TaHol]

Siansonea II wrote...

So wait, 11 pages of b¡tching and moaning over optional content that costs as little as $5? For Pete's sake, kids, get a paper route or something. Babysit. It's $5. And it's optional. Forgo a trip to McDonalds, or forgo the DLC. So much rant for something so minor.

Your self-righteous attitude just won't change. Ever. You are arrogant, and you don't even understand it. "Kids". We are almost same age, you and me, and I never go to forums making clear I'm older than average forum-user, and that makes me superior, because it doesn't. And it does not make you superior either.

Modifié par TaHol, 01 mai 2011 - 05:20 .

[88mphSlayer]

TaHol wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

PirateT138 wrote...

Spit in the face. This solidifies that I will not ever buy a piece of DA2 DLC.

Releasing this crap and then asking me to PAY for it (when you already released such a mediocre, broken game) is insulting. A little good will (making it stupid cheap or free) would have gone a long way.

Bioware asked you to buy dlc?

What a hypocryte. Every company who sells something basically asks people to buy their products, they spend heaps of money in marketing. You seen a company who says: we have this thing for sell, but actually you don't have to buy it 'cos in fact,  you don't need it? Every company tries to sell as much as they can, and yes, they are asking people to buy their products.

uh huh

i have a car for sale

care to yell at me too?

[Plaintiff]

Oh, you know what else is hilarious? People on both sides of the argument parading their "adult" status around as if it a) makes them smarter and is somehow unusual.

The average age of the "gamer" is around thirty. So everyone can get over it.