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[Lycidas]

Ariella wrote...
...So, if my five bucks for some nice equipment (especially on the rogue end which was sparce in my opinion), also contributes to Bioware's a revenue stream, thus giving them a chance to do more patches, my five bucks are well spent. And if ,hopefully, more story DLC and even expansions come down the pipe, I'll see what they are and see about putting up cash for them to. Anything that expands or extends the life of a game I enjoy is a good thing in my eyes.

God thats so wrong on so many levels. If you feel like being charitable better give your money to people that actually need it. If you think 5$ for things that don't have any value and the chance of continued patch support is well spent something is seriously wrong.

Modifié par Lycidas, 28 avril 2011 - 06:28 .

[lobi]

I think people need to see this

neon kitty wrote..
I got the Mage and Rogue packs fine, but the DLC link for the Warrior pack delivered the Mage pack again - exact same file name and size.

Tried again just now, and it's been fixed.

Now, all we need is high-res versions of the textures...!

What no HI Res?????????????????????????/

[Robtachi]

savagesparrow wrote...

Neverwinter 1 was regarded as a terrible game until they capitalized on scenarios developed by the modding community for the expansion packs, and because of those expansion packs, it's held in super high regard. So maybe we'll get a Hoards of the Underdark for DA 2. But that stuff takes time.

Personally, I found my experience with DA 2 enjoyable, though perhaps not as fulfilling storywise as DA:O. So I'm looking forward to storybased DLC, and hope that they devote the time necessary to deliver something really cool instead of being pressured into releasing something buggy and half-assed before it's ready. While an armor pack isn't for me, like someone said above, there're people into that sorta thing.

And in any event, like all DLC it's optional. Voice opinions with (or without) your dollar ;x

NWN1 is simply not an analogous example because that was a game that was intended from the start to rely heavily on the creative efforts of the modding community. Heck, it shipped with a gigantic toolset.

If Dragon Age shipped with a hugely in-depth modding toolset, most of people's complaints about technical problems and lacking content would be totally moot and fixed by now. But it didn't, and here we are, being asked to pay for extraneous content for a still-broken game.

[Maria Caliban]

Robtachi wrote...

Ariella wrote...

So, if my five bucks for some nice equipment (especially on the rogue end which was sparce in my opinion), also contributes to Bioware's a revenue stream, thus giving them a chance to do more patches, my five bucks are well spent.

Then what was the $60 spent on the game itself for? Shouldn't that have been "money well spent" towards a product that did not contain issues that prevent players from playing the game?

The vast majority of people who bought the game were able to play the game.

If you can't play the game, BioWare provides tech support forums and patches. The idea that you should get free DLC in compensation for a game you can't play is odd. You can't play the game. What use would the DLC be?

Edit: Actually, according to your profile, you've played the game from start to finish at least once. So... your complaint about the game being unplayable seems slightly disingenuous.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 28 avril 2011 - 06:37 .

[snfonseka]

Just don't buy it if you don't want that. For me, I am not going to buy it because I don't enjoy DA2 like other BW titles. So spending money on this is worthless.

[astrallite]

It beats spending $6 for some prank items.

[Elhanan]

In my thinking, squeaky wheels do not get greae; they get replaced....

[Ariella]

Robtachi wrote...

Ariella wrote...

So, if my five bucks for some nice equipment (especially on the rogue end which was sparce in my opinion), also contributes to Bioware's a revenue stream, thus giving them a chance to do more patches, my five bucks are well spent.

Then what was the $60 spent on the game itself for? Shouldn't that have been "money well spent" towards a product that did not contain issues that prevent players from playing the game?  I don't disagree with you that money paid for DLC in turn helps the development of further content, but to be expected to pay additional money on top of what's already been spent for a game that is still not fixed is not a fair thing to ask of your consumer.

I've played the game several times, and didn't have any issues that prevented this on either PC or Xbox. Considering they just patched up a huge amount of the problems many people experienced (without asking for compensation), complaining about a five dollar DLC, which is an option, makes no sense, except as a platform to complain. If you want to contribute usefully, go to the tech forums and let them know what is stopping you from being able to use the game, rather than complaing about DLC you aren't forced to buy,

[marshalleck]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Robtachi wrote...

Ariella wrote...

So, if my five bucks for some nice equipment (especially on the rogue end which was sparce in my opinion), also contributes to Bioware's a revenue stream, thus giving them a chance to do more patches, my five bucks are well spent.

Then what was the $60 spent on the game itself for? Shouldn't that have been "money well spent" towards a product that did not contain issues that prevent players from playing the game?

The vast majority of people who bought the game were able to play the game.

If you can't play the game, BioWare provides tech support forums and patches. The idea that you should get free DLC in compensation for a game you can't play is odd. You can't play the game. What use would the DLC be?

Edit: Actually, according to your profile, you've played the game from start to finish at least once. So... your complaint about the game being unplayable seems slightly disingenuous.

He's just taking up the cause of the downtrodden...of course I am sure getting free story DLC out of it for himself doesn't factor into this at all. No, his intentions here are purely noble! He's just looking out for the little guy!

[Edge2177]

Okay, I bought the DLC per your advice Robtachi. Now what?

[Everwarden]

Maria Caliban wrote...
Suspending all DLC and expansion work for an EE would be poor business.

Making poor products and then pushing item packs out is poor business.

Or maybe not, but I know that I've gone from very dubious towards Bioware to never buying a product (even Mass Effect 3 and TOR) with their logo again. From the reviews we've seen, I'm obviously not the only one annoyed. I hope the appeal to the CoD crowd pays off for them, because they've lost my business.

Modifié par Everwarden, 28 avril 2011 - 07:14 .

[Ariella]

Lycidas wrote...

Ariella wrote...
...So, if my five bucks for some nice equipment (especially on the rogue end which was sparce in my opinion), also contributes to Bioware's a revenue stream, thus giving them a chance to do more patches, my five bucks are well spent. And if ,hopefully, more story DLC and even expansions come down the pipe, I'll see what they are and see about putting up cash for them to. Anything that expands or extends the life of a game I enjoy is a good thing in my eyes.

God thats so wrong on so many levels. If you feel like being charitable better give your money to people that actually need it. If you think 5$ for things that don't have any value and the chance of continued patch support is well spent something is seriously wrong.

I also consider the 7 bucks I spent going to see Tron: Legacy well spent. Or the three bucks picking up the episode Subject 13 of Fringe from Itunes. The value is in the enjoyment one gets from the purchase, and I'm enjoying myself a great deal. That's the point of the entertainment industry. They are pixels or memories with no intrinsic value but to me.

Oh, those pieces of paper with numbers on them you keep in your wallet to pay for things, have no true "value" either, except that they're backed by the faith and credit of the government who issues them. Value fluxes based on perception. Don't believe me, watch the oil prices on the stock market.

I'm not feeling charitable, but I know the wheel of consumerism when I see it. And I'd rather spend 5 bucks on a DLC from a company who's product I've enjoyed in the past and continue to than spend it on companies' who have policies I disagree with. At least here I know where my money is going,

[BulletArray]

I think, that you should all be silent and vote with your wallet.

1) Not buying any dlc for DA2 (I have bought all but 2 on DA:O (later bought the ultimate edition), and all on ME2)

2) I am worried that the DA franchise will continue the road of DA2, thus I will most likely not buy DA3 unless they make that one at least unique in something or in other ways awesome compared to DA2.

I know that I am but one, but at least that is about 100$+ that Bioware won't get from me.

Ohhh.. I also find this discussion stupid as you are not entiteld to anything, not even bugfixes. Be happy and appreciate the ones you get... or vote with your wallet

[Froswald]

Even if only one guy worked on the DLC and finished it in 3-4 hours (exaggeration I know) it still would look bad to release something like that after the opinions expressed. I may have bought this DLC but I probably won't for awhile (Mainly because I burnt myself out of DA2) but hopefully this was an attempt at a 'tide over' until they have the big hit.

[Robtachi]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Edit: Actually, according to your profile, you've played the game from start to finish at least once. So... your complaint about the game being unplayable seems slightly disingenuous.

marshalleck wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Robtachi wrote...

Ariella wrote...

So, if my five bucks for some nice equipment (especially on the rogue end which was sparce in my opinion), also contributes to Bioware's a revenue stream, thus giving them a chance to do more patches, my five bucks are well spent.

Then what was the $60 spent on the game itself for? Shouldn't that have been "money well spent" towards a product that did not contain issues that prevent players from playing the game?

The vast majority of people who bought the game were able to play the game.

If you can't play the game, BioWare provides tech support forums and patches. The idea that you should get free DLC in compensation for a game you can't play is odd. You can't play the game. What use would the DLC be?

Edit: Actually, according to your profile, you've played the game from start to finish at least once. So... your complaint about the game being unplayable seems slightly disingenuous.

He's just taking up the cause of the downtrodden...of course I am sure getting free story DLC out of it for himself doesn't factor into this at all. No, his intentions here are purely noble! He's just looking out for the little guy!

Um, excuse me, but I don't recall ever claiming that I couldn't complete the game as a ploy to get free DLC. However, ther ARE several bugs still existing that I feel severely hamper my enjoyment of the game whether I am able to complete it or not, so that in itself gives me just as much right to voice my distress over this situation as anyone else. Frankly, that you woul presume to know my motivations and use that as a platform from which to lampoon me is just, well, jack-ass forum troll behavior.

And if my game DID work perfectly but I decided I wanted to be one more voice supporting those who's game DOESN'T work, how does that make this situation any less true? Honestly I am shocked at anyone who is simply willing to accept a technologically inferior or incomplete product with a "lay back and accept it" attitude simply because developers are able to get away with it.  That is precisely the attitude that ALLOWS developers to do that. The fact is, the game is still broken and bugged for many, hampering and/or eliminating their ability to enjoy it as it was intended and marketed to us, and that. Is. WRONG. Period. Exclamation point.

Any commentary on my personal motivations is irrelevant, misinformed and pigheaded.

Modifié par Robtachi, 28 avril 2011 - 07:08 .

[seraphymon]

Robtachi wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Edit: Actually, according to your profile, you've played the game from start to finish at least once. So... your complaint about the game being unplayable seems slightly disingenuous.

marshalleck wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Robtachi wrote...

Ariella wrote...

So, if my five bucks for some nice equipment (especially on the rogue end which was sparce in my opinion), also contributes to Bioware's a revenue stream, thus giving them a chance to do more patches, my five bucks are well spent.

Then what was the $60 spent on the game itself for? Shouldn't that have been "money well spent" towards a product that did not contain issues that prevent players from playing the game?

The vast majority of people who bought the game were able to play the game.

If you can't play the game, BioWare provides tech support forums and patches. The idea that you should get free DLC in compensation for a game you can't play is odd. You can't play the game. What use would the DLC be?

Edit: Actually, according to your profile, you've played the game from start to finish at least once. So... your complaint about the game being unplayable seems slightly disingenuous.

He's just taking up the cause of the downtrodden...of course I am sure getting free story DLC out of it for himself doesn't factor into this at all. No, his intentions here are purely noble! He's just looking out for the little guy!

Um, excuse me, but I don't recall ever claiming that I couldn't complete the game as a ploy to get free DLC. However, ther ARE several bugs still existing that I feel severely hamper my enjoyment of the game whether I am able to complete it or not, so that in itself gives me just as much right to voice my distress over this situation as anyone else. Frankly, that you woul presume to know my motivations and use that as a platform from which to lampoon me is just, well, jack-ass forum troll behavior.

And if my game DID work perfectly but I decided I wanted to be one more voice supporting those who's game DOESN'T work, how does that make this situation any less true? Honestly I am shocked at anyone who is simply willing to accept a technologically inferior or incomplete product with a "lay back and accept it" attitude simply because developers are able to get away with it.  That is precisely the attitude that ALLOWS developers to do that. The fact is, the game is still broken and bugged for many, hampering and/or eliminating their ability to enjoy it as it was intended and marketed to us, and that. Is. WRONG. Period. Exclamation point.

Any commentary on my personal motivations is irrelevant, misinformed and pigheaded.

Fully agree. You made your point quite clear, so I can't fathom why others have put words into your mouth and put forth what your intentions are.

[Robtachi]

seraphymon wrote...

Fully agree. You made your point quite clear, so I can't fathom why others have put words into your mouth and put forth what your intentions are.

My only guess is that they just didn't read my original thought, or didn't care to absorb its meaning. I tried to craft this in the most objective way a consumer opnion can be, independent of my own thoughts on the game itself and addressing technical issues only as they relate to what would be fair treatment of Bioware's fans and players. For some reason, some seem to want to act as if I were attacking them when I am bringing up something on their behalf and my own.

EDIT: I want to say, I am not trying to martyr myself or be melodramatic. I hate that crap. By this thread and hopefully the discussion it produces, I just want an open forum to analyze concerns I and others may have with the message that Bioware is sending to its customers. A great man once said "It's nothing personal. Strictly business."

Modifié par Robtachi, 28 avril 2011 - 07:18 .

[KBomb]

Robtachi wrote...

seraphymon wrote...

Fully agree. You made your point quite clear, so I can't fathom why others have put words into your mouth and put forth what your intentions are.

My only guess is that they just didn't read my original thought, or didn't care to absorb its meaning. I tried to craft this in the most objective way a consumer opnion can be, independent of my own thoughts on the game itself and addressing technical issues only as they relate to what would be fair treatment of Bioware's fans and players. For some reason, some seem to want to act as if I were attacking them when I am bringing up something on their behalf and my own.

EDIT: I want to say, I am not trying to martyr myself or be melodramatic. I hate that crap. By this thread and hopefully the discussion it produces, I just want an open forum to analyze concerns I and others may have with the message that Bioware is sending to its customers. A great man once said "It's nothing personal. Strictly business."

Odd you didn’t just post this in the other threads about this very same thing. You know, if you wanted to discuss it with other people who feel the same way instead of making an entirely new topic about it. Just saying.

[Steingrimur Steingrimsson]

Right, new items. There is an ocean of DLC items in the first place! Paying money for more seems to be a great idea! Well deserved I must say!
...
I would be more kind to this sort of thing, if it were for a game that actually were good. The only thing I want from DAII right now is some good DLC.

[borelocin]

Yes, really

Modifié par borelocin, 28 avril 2011 - 08:04 .

[Cralle35]

OP: 
I am not sure I get what it is you want?

You are clearly not experiencing game stopping bugs, as you have completed the game. You say that you are experiencing bugs that are limiting your enjoyment of the game.

So you want something for free from Bioware, because you don't enjoy the game as much as you had expected you would???

And by the way - we all got a free copy of Mass Effect 2, which is a game still worth $20.

Modifié par Cralle35, 28 avril 2011 - 09:18 .

[Maderek]

Robtachi wrote...

Three item packs, each of which include one set of armor and a weapon, for $3 each, a la Mass Effect.*

More like a la Dead Space 2.

[Johnny20]

Shocking. Only in the video game industry can companies get away with this kind of travesty.