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[Pacifien]

Kajan451 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
I am aware that the development team is working on patches, which need to be tested and approved for all three platforms before release.

*snipping and stuff*
But, as i spend my easter holiday with reading up on how to edit my savegame and using the mod to fix the Import problem... i have to say... no it doesn't take 2 MONTHS for the creator, who should be more familiar with the game, to fix something i, without any previous knowledge, could Fix within an afternoon, with instructions written by other players.

And you try to make it point it takes this long to produce a patch?

I think the vital part of my sentence is "approved for all three platforms." Because one thing I do know has to happen in the patching process is that BioWare needs to send those patches for approval by both Sony and Microsoft. Perhaps if the developers have a patch ready to go for the PC version, it should head out the door immediately.

But however you feel about patches, I still don't think you deserve compensation just to make you feel better about it all. If you felt you bought a game so buggy that it ruins your enjoyment of the game, chalk that up to a poor purchasing decision on your part. Wait for the bugs to be fixed.

But telling the company that they either should have released this DLC for free while you wait for your bugs to be fixed or tell the company they shouldn't have sold it at all because the bugs need to be fixed? For the former, you're asking for something for free that still isn't going to address what apparently *needs* to be done to instill some enjoyment in the game. Shiny armor makes it all better? For the latter, no one's forcing you to buy it. For the people who are enjoying the game right now, and I know since you're not, this might be a little hard to understand, it provides them with something they can purchase to increase their enjoyment of the game. If they like that sort of thing. And I highly doubt that releasing an armor/weapons pack took massive resources away from the developers debugging the game.

The DLC and the patching of the game simply seem like totally separate issues to me aside from seeing people feel they deserve something for free because the game disappointed them. They deserve a patch. Not this DLC.

And that said, I'm not entirely sure a patch is going to make it all better. For instance, I saw someone upset the released a DLC that provides new armor versus addressing the issue of repeating dungeon layouts. Now, I'm sorry, no patch is ever going to address a person's issue with dungeon layouts. That's really just a ridiculous expectation. Perhaps they're waiting for a DLC that adds a new quest with a different dungeon layout. In which case, maybe their point is they deserve to have that DLC for free because it addresses their concern that the game had repeating dungeon layouts. I... can't say anything polite about that.

[Eurypterid]

Pacifien wrote...

Kajan451 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
I am aware that the development team is working on patches, which need to be tested and approved for all three platforms before release.

*snipping and stuff*
But, as i spend my easter holiday with reading up on how to edit my savegame and using the mod to fix the Import problem... i have to say... no it doesn't take 2 MONTHS for the creator, who should be more familiar with the game, to fix something i, without any previous knowledge, could Fix within an afternoon, with instructions written by other players.

And you try to make it point it takes this long to produce a patch?

I think the vital part of my sentence is "approved for all three platforms." Because one thing I do know has to happen in the patching process is that BioWare needs to send those patches for approval by both Sony and Microsoft. Perhaps if the developers have a patch ready to go for the PC version, it should head out the door immediately.

Just a note on this: the devs have explained in other threads that due to QA concerns it's much easier and quicker for community members to throw a fix together for issues than it is for BioWare to get them out in a patch. This is due in part to the fact they have to test extensively to be sure the fix doesn't end up breaking something else, as well as waiting for approval to put the patches out the door. This process takes far longer than it does for a community member to throw a fix together.

[mousestalker]

Eurypterid wrote...
Just a note on this: the devs have explained in other threads that due to QA concerns it's much easier and quicker for community members to throw a fix together for issues than it is for BioWare to get them out in a patch. This is due in part to the fact they have to test extensively to be sure the fix doesn't end up breaking something else, as well as waiting for approval to put the patches out the door. This process takes far longer than it does for a community member to throw a fix together.

Which is the main reason my preference is, to the extent that resources are allocated between toolset release and dlcs, the toolset release be given priority. It puts the tools to remedy bugs in the hands of the many and speeds up the process.

On the meta note, as a PC player, mods extend the life of a game for me. They make me happier with a game. I loathed most Oblivion games on release. That I like them now is due entirely to the modding community. I'm probably an outlier as for as the typical gamer, but my early DA2 purchase was very much an anomaly for me and is not likely to reoccur.

tl/dnr version: The greater the ability to mod a game, the more likely mousestalker buys it. DLC's do not factor into the equation at all.

[Merced652]

yo pacifien why you not a mod anymore bro?

[AngryFrozenWater]

You can hide a bomb in one of the BW points used to pay for this DLC. If the next DLC doesn't have a story you can always detonate it.

[Dominator24]

I'm at least could call myself lucky that I got DA2 on pc thanks to that I could mod or use console to fix myself some things like the Iabela friendship bug or start/finish some buged quest like the Demon books quest or Merill last quest.

[Biotic Budah]

As long as the next playable DLC is better than Exiled Prince I'll be happy.

[Zjarcal]

Kajan451 wrote...
Damn well i am feeling entitled to something. Not DLCs though. An Enhanced Edition? Maybe, depends on my mood... but Patches? I feel entitled to them.

And you are getting them. Two patches have already been released (granted one was PC only), and a third one is being worked on.

You can complain that it's taking them too long to release the patches, but you can't complain that they aren't working on that and that they are not addressing the issues, because they are.

mousestalker wrote...
Which is the main reason my preference is, to the extent that resources are allocated between toolset release and dlcs, the toolset release be given priority. It puts the tools to remedy bugs in the hands of the many and speeds up the process.

You do have to remember that the Toolset fixes nothing for console users, so it's not really fair to ask them to give the toolset priority over patches.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 28 avril 2011 - 05:58 .

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

I think that my duty as a consumer is to be patient with the devs, because they are working in an industry that is still somewhat in its infancy, and I would hope that they can, with time, fix the things they believe should be fixed. I am by no means an expert or a critic, since I wouldn't know much about the actual technical process of creating a game beyond simple modding or coding.

[Sabriana]

Zjarcal wrote...

mousestalker wrote...
Which is the main reason my preference is, to the extent that resources are allocated between toolset release and dlcs, the toolset release be given priority. It puts the tools to remedy bugs in the hands of the many and speeds up the process.

You do have to remember that the Toolset fixes nothing for console users, so it's not really fair to ask them to give the toolset priority over patches.

She isn't. She wants the toolset to have priority over DLC.

[Mad-Max90]

Oooh yay for me a free copy of mass effect 2, another team's work by the way, is just floating around uselessly in cyberspace because I don't have the money for a pc powerful enough to run it, that and the fact I own both mass effect games on my xbox, there peace offering was utterly useless to me, how can I enjoy it? And no I'm not going to waste money on a pc just to play a game I already own on a machine that is capable of playing it. I think it's a broader audience they should have apologised to with a copy of mass effect 2, not just pc players, and I'm not going to lie, I didn't even want another copy of mass effect 2, I did want something, it could be tiny and very inexpensive, but something to say "hey, stick with us, and here is something for your troubles" but no, I did get a useless copy of a game I already own, and they shovel out generic dlc item pack #1 and expect people to pay 5 dollars for. That's why I'm mad, not because they shoveled out the item pack but because of everything that happened before this, I feel this should have waited or have been free.

[Zjarcal]

Sabriana wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

mousestalker wrote...
Which is the main reason my preference is, to the extent that resources are allocated between toolset release and dlcs, the toolset release be given priority. It puts the tools to remedy bugs in the hands of the many and speeds up the process.

You do have to remember that the Toolset fixes nothing for console users, so it's not really fair to ask them to give the toolset priority over patches.

She isn't. She wants the toolset to have priority over DLC.

Looks I misread that. My apologies to mousestalker.

[88mphSlayer]

Lycidas wrote...

Wait... 400BW Points for some items? That's it - just 3 item sets? The stuff the community did hundeds of for free for Origins for the price of Return to Ostagar which added 45 min worth of content including VO? Wow BioWare thats an all time low.

Return to Ostagar kinda blew... 45min of yawnfest

now a Darkspawn Chronicles version for DA2? who doesn't want to kill everybody in Kirkwall?

i actually downloaded the item pack, for what it's worth it's a helluva lot better than any of the appearance packs for ME2 which all suck and add absolutely nothing to that game (huge rip offs)... you get 24 armor items in total, i think like a dozen weapons, and a unique ring/amulet for each of your companions... it's basically like paying money for a god item set that you would've downloaded for free for DAO, just more effort put into art design which is to be expected

Modifié par 88mphSlayer, 28 avril 2011 - 06:37 .

[Lusitanum]

88mphSlayer wrote...

Return to Ostagar kinda blew... 45min of yawnfest

So the answer to that is to keep lowering the quality and amount of content of the DLC... but keep the price? WTH?!

88mphSlayer wrote...now a Darkspawn Chronicles version for DA2? who doesn't want to kill everybody in Kirkwall?

Those that realize that that thing was just the final portion of the original game with a new paint job (i.e. just replace the Darkspawn with another race while craping on the whole story)?

[Mad-Max90]

I like how mike laidlow said that dlc for DA2 will be more robust than the dlc for origins, then produces an item pack, way to go and put your foot in your mouth again

[88mphSlayer]

Lusitanum wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

Return to Ostagar kinda blew... 45min of yawnfest

So the answer to that is to keep lowering the quality and amount of content of the DLC... but keep the price? WTH?!

88mphSlayer wrote...now a Darkspawn Chronicles version for DA2? who doesn't want to kill everybody in Kirkwall?

Those that realize that that thing was just the final portion of the original game with a new paint job (i.e. just replace the Darkspawn with another race while craping on the whole story)?

Darkspawn Chronicles was a final portion of what? it was "alternative universe" dlc dude you played as the darkspawn invading Denerim, you got to kill Alistair, Morrigan, Leliana, etc. while defending the archdemon, it was a ton of fun and way more satisfying than most of the crap released for DAO, fun concept > boring concept

Modifié par 88mphSlayer, 28 avril 2011 - 07:19 .

[Mr.House]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

I like how mike laidlow said that dlc for DA2 will be more robust than the dlc for origins, then produces an item pack, way to go and put your foot in your mouth again

Yes because said item pack is the only dlc that DA2 will have.

[Mad-Max90]

Actually , I preferred the rest of the "better", not crap, dlcs origins had. To me darkspawn and Laliana were the worst, but hey, I'm just some random dude that likes to throw out my 2 cents, but hey my 2 cents is free

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Robtachi wrote...

Seriously? After the tremendous outcry from the fanbase for some sort of compensation for the (now) months of waiting on patches to fix game breaking bugs, glitches and freezes, we get...

Specious bolded. 

Here's how it's going to work:  If enough people get all upset and grouchy and refuse to buy the DLC, there won't be anymore DLC.  Then you can say many people were upset.  If there was plenty of support for the the DLC, BioWare will keep making more.  Then you can't say there was any backlash of grumpyness.

:)

[Mad-Max90]

The item pack is most likely the same quality dlc we will receive for a good while so I think my post is pretty accurate considering we had return to ostagar at this point but hey, if you like it I don't care, I don't like it so why do you care?

[88mphSlayer]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

The item pack is most likely the same quality dlc we will receive for a good while so I think my post is pretty accurate considering we had return to ostagar at this point but hey, if you like it I don't care, I don't like it so why do you care?

i dunno, why does anybody care about anything regarding DA2?

[Mr.House]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

The item pack is most likely the same quality dlc we will receive for a good while so I think my post is pretty accurate considering we had return to ostagar at this point but hey, if you like it I don't care, I don't like it so why do you care?

Say that to LotSB for ME2, which was very high quality and the best dlc Bioware has ever done, and one the best dlc ever made.

Modifié par Mr.House, 28 avril 2011 - 07:32 .