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[Tony_Knightcrawler]

You asymptote. ;-)

Modifié par Tony_Knightcrawler, 29 avril 2011 - 01:34 .

[element eater]

when ever i see these weapon packs it reminds me how characters in ME2 joke about how in ME1 Shepard had to buy his own equipment. Personally, I preferred buying weapons with in game money then having to buy dlc weapons with real money.

really though they only do it because people buy it so its not really like u can be annoyed by it too much just don't buy it. I know i wont be

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

Nah, people bought it for ME2 at a slightly better value. They're betting people will buy them for DA2.

[ZombiePowered]

Honestly, I'd prefer equipment DLCs to be rolled into questing content DLC. It just feels wrong paying money and straight up receiving items. It's like I bought it from Chinese gold farmers or something. I feel guilty if my gear isn't stripped from the corpses of enemies with real names (and hopefully families).

[Robtachi]

Master Shiori wrote...

Everwarden wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...
They don't owe you any free gifts.

Nope,
they don't. Though if they had any integrity (they don't) left they would be tossing them out as apologies left right and center hoping to retain the fanbase they just risked losing.

Apologies for what exactly? Not making the game you imagined in your mind?

There was plenty of information, gameplay videos, previews and even a demo out there before DA2 was released, so you knew full well what you're getting. If you're not happy with the game then I'm sorry, but that's not Bioware's problem.

They gave you free items before the launch, 7 of which were available to everyone regardless of whether they
pre-ordered or not. They released 2 patches so far to address the bugs and other issues within the game and are working on the third as we speak.

Sorry, but Bioware has been more than fair to their fanbase despite constant flaming and occasional insults directed at them from the so called "fans" on these forums.

Lordy, how many times can people completely miss the mark?  No one is saying that they are entitled to something free because they didn't like DA2 as a game.  We are saying it would send a good message consistent with what Bioware has been claiming about their concern for their fans if they threw us a friggin' bone for a game that for so many DOES. NOT. WORK.

My god. I think I'm going blue in the fingertips from repeating myself for people who just don't listen or imbue my and other's thoughts with their own agendas.

Reinveil wrote...
Indeed, yet time and again the game's defenders want to throw out accusations of "elitism", "entitlement", "hating", and basically anything that doesn't require the consideration that maybe, just maybe, the game has some issues.  You don't even have to believe that yourself, but I'd say at this point it's pretty damn clear the reaction has been overwhelmingly mixed, and there's probably some reasons for that.

"You don't like it because you're doing it wrong" doesn't explain the backlash.  Sorry, but it's a weak, childish excuse.

Edit: Marionetten is absolutely right.  I'm still willing to give Bioware the benefit of the doubt because of the enjoyment they've provided in the past, but releasing this kind of DLC amidst all the problems DAII's release has been plagued with (and before honoring promises) is a seriously tacky move.

Thank. You. Sir. Couldn't have put it better myself.

Modifié par Robtachi, 29 avril 2011 - 04:01 .

[Master Shiori]

Robtachi wrote...

Lordy, how many times can people completely miss the mark?  No one is saying that they are entitled to something free because they didn't like DA2 as a game.  We are saying it would send a good message consistent with what Bioware has been claiming about their concern for their fans if they threw us a friggin' bone for a game that for so many DOES. NOT. WORK.

My god. I think I'm going blue in the fingertips from repeating myself for people who just don't listen or imbue my and other's thoughts with their own agendas.

The game works fine.

Yes, it has bugs, but none of them are game breaking since a vast majority of people on these forums, myself included, finished DA2 at least once with no major issues. If your copy doesn't work, as you keep drumming on about, then it's a problem with that particular copy and not Bioware or DA2 in general. 
I'd suggest you spend your time better by posting your problem in technical support forums, as people already suggested, or turn in your copy for a new one.

And I don't see a massive "MY GAME DOESN'T WORK!!" thread here or on the technical support forum and neither do I see anyone complaining about it but you.

As for your free goodies, you already had a chance to get the 7 free DLC before the launch, as well as Black Emporium in every copy of DA2. Hell, they even gave us all a free copy of Mass Effect 2. If that isn't enough for you than I doubt anything else will be..

Modifié par Master Shiori, 29 avril 2011 - 06:01 .

[Master Shiori]

Reinveil wrote...

Ah.  These arguments again.  So the bugs, repeated environments, lessened character interaction, thin and disjointed "story", excessive fetch quests, waves in close quarters, etc were all documented prior to release?

Bugs are getting fixed. We got 2 patches in less than a month and a third one on the way. Everything else is game design for which they don't own an apology to anyone. Whether or not you'd consider any of it "bad" is subjective. Complaining about it is like complaining about rpg elements in Fallout 3 or about click-to-auto-attack in The Witcher.

If you don't like how something works in a game, but it works properly, than it's not the developers problem. Best you can do it post feedback on it in the relevant thread (as I and others here have done) and hope Bioware takes that info into account when designing their next game. 

[ChickenDownUnder]

I dunno what the big deal is. As long as they are fixing the game and working on more expansion pack DLC, tossing a smaller armor/weapon DLC our way in the mean time isn't anything to get upset about.

[Skyblade012]

What is so special about DA2? The original Dragon Age had plenty of bugs, including game-breakers. So did Mass Effect and ME2. The ones that prevented playability were, to my knowledge, all fixed, but there have been tons of problems with bugs in BioWare products in the past. So why is DA2 suddenly the game that you feel needs BioWare's intervention to prove they are on the side of the fans?

I would think that simply spending time and effort fixing the bugs is enough to show that they care. After all, they've already gotten most of their sales, why don't they just quit now and stick you with a game that you can't complete, and write it off as system or user errors (which they could do, since there are plenty of people who have completed the game multiple times)? If you aren't willing to pay for the bonuses you are demanding (you are demanding them politely, but you are demanding them nonetheless), you certainly wouldn't dream of paying for a patch, so why should they bother to provide one?

You phrase everything so nicely and politely, but that doesn't change the message you are putting across. You feel that BioWare should make reparations for the errors in their game. Whether an "entitlement" or an "olive branch", it doesn't matter, the result is the same. Nevermind that the devs already put in so much time and effort beyond their standard jobs listening to fan feedback, searching out these errors and fixing them.

Have you never done anything late or incomplete? If so, how many weeks did you take out of your life specifically to make it up to those you offended, beyond simply fixing the problems?

I'm just thrilled that they are fixing the errors. Plenty of developers don't. Heck, even BioWare doesn't sometimes. There are still plenty of obvious glitches and errors for DA:O, DA:A, ME, and ME2 that remain completely unresolved to this day, with no signs of ever being fixed.

[Sabariel]

If it were possible to just buy that fantastic helm for the warrior, I would

[Esbatty]

Maybe Hipsters can rally around Dragon Age 2 and just buy the DLC ironically.

[lobi]

Esbatty wrote...

Maybe Hipsters can rally around Dragon Age 2 and just buy the DLC ironically.

With the money they set aside for DA2 DLC?

[MorrigansLove]

They'll just keep milking all the idiots who are willing to buy this crap.

[Persephone]

Lusitanum wrote...

Unless you were a true fan and pre-ordered the game, in which case you pretty much only had Bioware's word that they wouldn't screw this game up and that they were working hard to make it good.

And they lied to us. Big time.

So "true fans" are defined by pre-ordering blindly? Eh?

As for "us" being "lied to...big time"....speak for yourself!

[88mphSlayer]

Robtachi wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

Everwarden wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...
They don't owe you any free gifts.

Nope,
they don't. Though if they had any integrity (they don't) left they would be tossing them out as apologies left right and center hoping to retain the fanbase they just risked losing.

Apologies for what exactly? Not making the game you imagined in your mind?

There was plenty of information, gameplay videos, previews and even a demo out there before DA2 was released, so you knew full well what you're getting. If you're not happy with the game then I'm sorry, but that's not Bioware's problem.

They gave you free items before the launch, 7 of which were available to everyone regardless of whether they
pre-ordered or not. They released 2 patches so far to address the bugs and other issues within the game and are working on the third as we speak.

Sorry, but Bioware has been more than fair to their fanbase despite constant flaming and occasional insults directed at them from the so called "fans" on these forums.

Lordy, how many times can people completely miss the mark?  No one is saying that they are entitled to something free because they didn't like DA2 as a game.  We are saying it would send a good message consistent with what Bioware has been claiming about their concern for their fans if they threw us a friggin' bone for a game that for so many DOES. NOT. WORK.

My god. I think I'm going blue in the fingertips from repeating myself for people who just don't listen or imbue my and other's thoughts with their own agendas.

Reinveil wrote...
Indeed, yet time and again the game's defenders want to throw out accusations of "elitism", "entitlement", "hating", and basically anything that doesn't require the consideration that maybe, just maybe, the game has some issues.  You don't even have to believe that yourself, but I'd say at this point it's pretty damn clear the reaction has been overwhelmingly mixed, and there's probably some reasons for that.

"You don't like it because you're doing it wrong" doesn't explain the backlash.  Sorry, but it's a weak, childish excuse.

Edit: Marionetten is absolutely right.  I'm still willing to give Bioware the benefit of the doubt because of the enjoyment they've provided in the past, but releasing this kind of DLC amidst all the problems DAII's release has been plagued with (and before honoring promises) is a seriously tacky move.

Thank. You. Sir. Couldn't have put it better myself.

i fail to see how free weapons would make people feel better about a game they dislike because of character/story/combat/whatever

[Persephone]

mousestalker wrote...

How do post game freebies equate to integrity? I love free stuff as much as the next pony and will gladly scarf up anything offered, but no one owes us that.

They do not equate to integrity at all. Instead of "They are robbing us" the accusation would have been "Now they're trying to bribe us, as IF!" instead.

[Cutlass Jack]

Persephone wrote...

They do not equate to integrity at all. Instead of "They are robbing us" the accusation would have been "Now they're trying to bribe us, as IF!" instead.

Stop. You're spoiling the surprise.

[Skyblade012]

88mphSlayer wrote...

i fail to see how free weapons would make people feel better about a game they dislike because of character/story/combat/whatever

True, and it is even better since he is saying people need this because of bugs that prevent people from playing.

"Hey, guys, you know that game that you can't currently get to work? We're sorry about that.  Here, have these items for that game!"

We could make the unlock condition for the free stuff be getting past whatever part is most likely to glitch out.  It'd be just cruel.  I like it.

[88mphSlayer]

Lusitanum wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

i think you're taking the darkspawn chronicles way too seriously...

besides all bioware games fail if you look at them from the perspective of the villians [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

I'm taking it too seriously because when they mentioned "an alternate version of the game where you play as a Darkspawn after the Warden died in the Joining" I imagined all the things that would have changed. Ferelden would have been crushed without the army you had to gather, Loghain had free reign to do whatever he wanted and most of your party members would never have been involved with the war in any way because they never met you, all of this probably ending with some epic final moment where you just crushed the last pocket of resistants (probably led by Alistair) like bugs beneath your heel.

Instead... no, none of that happened. Alistair still gathered the army and his party, just like you did, and somehow managed to fortify Denerim in a way that you never managed to.

That's why I say it makes me feel irrelevant on the original game.

riiiiiiiiiiight, did you have issues with Awakenings too since you can complete that without using the Hero of Ferelden?

[oldmansavage]

If bioware can get away with milking 6 bucks out of a few drones for items that should of been in the game anyway, more power to em.  I would do the same thing until they caught on.

[Lestatman]

MorrigansLove wrote...

They'll just keep milking all the idiots who are willing to buy this crap.

Agree they release a sub standard game with some many probs and then release this simply as a money grabber.

[neppakyo]

Persephone wrote...

Lusitanum wrote...

Unless you were a true fan and pre-ordered the game, in which case you pretty much only had Bioware's word that they wouldn't screw this game up and that they were working hard to make it good.

And they lied to us. Big time.

So "true fans" are defined by pre-ordering blindly? Eh?

As for "us" being "lied to...big time"....speak for yourself!

They did lie pepsi! Didn't you know hawke killed dozens of puppies in lothering? And he had "relations" with several "she-goats" Those dastardly liars!!

But seriously, with emotions quite high about the problems with the game itself, it was kind of the wrong time to release an item DLC for what, $5, $10? Quite a few people are still waiting for patches to play their copy. (DRM issues, etc)

It's just adding gas to an already raging bonfire imho.

[XFemShepX]

I like how the dev pops in to talk patches and toolsets, but doesn't make mention of anything about the impassioned "speech" of the OP. Where was QA when you guys were doing test runs of the game--didn't ANYONE say, "Hey man...I've seen this cave like ten times now, it's kind of repetitive and boring." QA should be working on patches for this game day and night, considering the embarrassment that this is to the company.

I haven't been to these boards since DA2 came out. I loved DA, it was wonderful, but DA2 was obviously rushed--one of my biggest letdowns in gaming, due to *bugs* alone.

I decided to pop in here just to take a peek if new DLC was out to maybe revive my interest in continuing my DA2 game--since I don't even have the WANT to do more than one playthrough--and find it tremendously funny that all they've put out is a pack of armor and weapons. Love ME2, but I didn't buy any of the alternate appearance packs for it...so if they're "stealing ideas" from ME, they're stealing the worst ones.

OP, I feel your pain. David Gaider is awesomely talented, but I feel as if (and this is obviously only my opinion) he's obligated to just say things like what you quoted. He's not going to say, "Geez, we messed up and didn't realize how buggy and awful this was until we got it out to the public!". Mike Laidlaw, in his defense of DA2 has been, again in my opinion, no less than offensive in the fact that he makes statements along the lines of us (forumites) being "resistant to change".

This game was CRAP, and I expect better.

I'll buy a story-DLC, maybe. But any future DA main titles will be on the back burner--I will not pre-order any until I read reviews. I know they're not even the same development team, but I refuse to order ME3 until I start reading reviews.

I just wish I knew why this happened--is it the influence of the fabled EA takeover? Is Bioware just getting sloppy? Were they not able to make the deadlines? Is Mr. Laidlaw failing in some capacity as the head honcho? I don't know. I don't know how they can make a game like DA, and then slop together an utter failure like DA2.

Just my opinion, folks. See you when I peek back in here in a few months.

[xCirdanx]

Lestatman wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

They'll just keep milking all the idiots who are willing to buy this crap.

Agree they release a sub standard game with some many probs and then release this simply as a money grabber.

Well, from a financial standpoint it´s comprehensible, isn´t it? As long as there are enough people buying it, it´s a good deal for them.

I might add i also have every other Bioware DLC, however i didn´t need to pay for it myself. (and i wouldn´t)

It speaks volumes about the playerbase. But who really cares, i get a good laugh out of it and of every single fool buying that stuff

[Rockpopple]

Wow. There's enough Righteous Indignation around here to christian a spaceship.

I guess that's the pitfalls of being popular. Wow. 

Modifié par Rockpopple, 29 avril 2011 - 04:50 .