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[Elhanan]

Rockpopple wrote...

Wow. There's enough Righteous Indignation around here to christian a spaceship.

I guess that's the pitfalls of being popular. Wow. 

And illustrates a main reason to avoid MMO's. From my POV, many sound like the kids that cry in malls and public places because; just because....

Modifié par Elhanan, 29 avril 2011 - 05:04 .

[Sabriana]

neppakyo wrote...

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But seriously, with emotions quite high about the problems with the game itself, it was kind of the wrong time to release an item DLC for what, $5, $10? Quite a few people are still waiting for patches to play their copy. (DRM issues, etc)

It's just adding gas to an already raging bonfire imho.

True enough. I still can't play my legally bought game, with legal money, from a legal merchant, that is (or was) legally installed, the "proper" way. For the first time in my entire life I had to resort to .... odd measures. It's now been what? Almost 2 month?

I know that DLC item people don't work on patches. And I love Luke to pieces. But this... well, it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

P.S. I also have a legal sales receipt, by the way.


Edited because punctuation needs some lovin' too

Modifié par Sabriana, 29 avril 2011 - 06:15 .

[Reinveil]

Master Shiori wrote...

Reinveil wrote...

Ah.  These arguments again.  So the bugs, repeated environments, lessened character interaction, thin and disjointed "story", excessive fetch quests, waves in close quarters, etc were all documented prior to release?

Bugs are getting fixed. We got 2 patches in less than a month and a third one on the way. Everything else is game design for which they don't own an apology to anyone. Whether or not you'd consider any of it "bad" is subjective. Complaining about it is like complaining about rpg elements in Fallout 3 or about click-to-auto-attack in The Witcher.

1.) Who said I was asking for an apology?  I've already stated that I don't feel I'm owed anything for being disappointed and that I don't agree with OP.

2.) You made the tired argument that people are disappointed because the "game is not what they wanted", and that they had every chance to find out what it was like prior to release.  My point, which you quoted, is that every major grievance people have with the game (and it's not a tiny minority - take a look at the size of that constructive criticism thread) was NOT addressed in the demo or any pre-release discussion/documentation.

3.) You thinking the game is good is no more or less subjective than my own opinion.  Shall I throw out a blanket statement that you like the game because your taste in games sucks, or that you're a company shill, or a "fanboy", or something equally obnoxious?  You're doing the exact same thing when you infer I didn't like DAII because I'm some traditionalist zealot that wanted Origins Redux.  As I and many others have stated before: the problem isn't the idea, it's how it was executed.  No need to get pissy about it.

[Teh Blasta]

[Sabriana]

Yes. I bought a Bioware game.

And I'm entitled to play the game the "proper" way.

Dammit, I am getting so tired of this crap. It's been 2 month, and the only way I can play my legally purchased, legally installed game through means that I've never, ever had to resort to before.

I paid 56 euros. I can't play the game AT ALL right out of the box.

I'm getting a tad irked here!

[Reinveil]

You ARE entitled to a working game for your money, that is certainly true.

56 euros...ouch.

[Sabriana]

Reinveil wrote...

You ARE entitled to a working game for your money, that is certainly true.

56 euros...ouch.

Thanks, I appreciate it.

I was actually reacting to the silly picture. I'm so tired of people telling me that I'm not entitled to anything simply because I bought the game.

I so dislike sweeping generalizations. So hell, yes. I DID buy a Bioware game. And I'm damn well entitled to play it the proper way.

It's very hard to make me fly off the handle. But that post was simply too much for me.

[Rockpopple]

Sab, what's the issue with your game anyway? Not a dig, I'm just curious. How come it's not working for you?

[88mphSlayer]

MorrigansLove wrote...

They'll just keep milking all the idiots who are willing to buy this crap.

i blame mass effect fans 

[Reinveil]

Rockpopple wrote...

Sab, what's the issue with your game anyway? Not a dig, I'm just curious. How come it's not working for you?

I'm curious about this, too.

[Marionetten]

I bought a BioWare game. I expected a BioWare game. I got Dragon Age II.

You got to love the anti-intellectualism going on in this thread and society in general. If you have any form of critique against the game or BioWare you're clearly just a self-entitled ****wad incapable of functioning in society. Cue crying baby pictures and baseless generalizations because that adds so much to the discussion and totally isn't blatant flaming. Bravo, BSN.

Modifié par Marionetten, 29 avril 2011 - 07:04 .

[Reinveil]

Marionetten wrote...

I bought a BioWare game. I expected a BioWare game. I got Dragon Age II.

God, you're so entitled.

[Sabriana]

@ Rock and Rein

The DRM is finding something that it doesn't like on my computer. All my programs are legal ones, but it nestled itself into the admin slot, and messes up DA 2 launching.

I click on 'play', and I get "Dragon Age 2 has encountered a problem and needs to close".

I used the patches and the SecuRom removal tool. It doesn't work, the removal tool can't see the left-over strings, and neither can my computer. I can see them plain as day. I'm looking at a complete reformat of my C-drive. My computer is also a tool, and stores a lot of work-related files. I have a lot of work ahead of me.

So not only did I pay 56 euros for a game I can't play the proper way, I'm also looking at a lot of time spent on fixing what was broken by installing the game. And then I'm being told to stop feeling "entitled".

Oh well, I had my very first exposure to a certain segment of the internet, ever. Believe it or not, but a small alteration of the .exe file (the one that was legally installed, a 7mb file) made all the difference. Yes, I did play the legal copy. Only one small file was altered. But it wasn't altered by the proper channels.

[Reinveil]

Sabriana wrote...

@ Rock and Rein

The DRM is finding something that it doesn't like on my computer. All my programs are legal ones, but it nestled itself into the admin slot, and messes up DA 2 launching.

I click on 'play', and I get "Dragon Age 2 has encountered a problem and needs to close".

I used the patches and the SecuRom removal tool. It doesn't work, the removal tool can't see the left-over strings, and neither can my computer. I can see them plain as day. I'm looking at a complete reformat of my C-drive. My computer is also a tool, and stores a lot of work-related files. I have a lot of work ahead of me.

So not only did I pay 56 euros for a game I can't play the proper way, I'm also looking at a lot of time spent on fixing what was broken by installing the game. And then I'm being told to stop feeling "entitled".

Oh well, I had my very first exposure to a certain segment of the internet, ever. Believe it or not, but a small alteration of the .exe file (the one that was legally installed, a 7mb file) made all the difference. Yes, I did play the legal copy. Only one small file was altered. But it wasn't altered by the proper channels.

Argh, so it's having an impact on your computer beyond the game itself.  What a mess.  I assume this has been brought up over in the tech support forum?

Modifié par Reinveil, 29 avril 2011 - 07:16 .

[Sabriana]

Oh Rein, you have no idea. Just try the "unable to launch" thread in the tech support. It's a scary place, I tell you.

I know that the DLC crew has naught to do with the patch crew. But it still gives me a bad feeling to see that an item pack DLC is out, but a huge problem is lagging behind. I know it's irrational. But then again, I've never claimed to be more than a human being with irrational reactions.... sometimes

I also know that Luke is trying his best. Even now he and his crew are trying to patch DA:O and DA:A. But still, bitterness can make one a bit unfair now and then. It will only take one silly put-down to make the bitterness flow up and over. Like being told that I'm not entitled to anything.

[Robtachi]

So perhaps all the detractors in this thread would like to demand that every single person who agreed with me must specifically post the precise technical problem they are having with their copy and how it is preventing them from playing the game properly, along with annotated details and system specifications, including their receipt of purchase and the last four digits of the credit card they used?

This is ridiculous. It's irrelevant who exactly is having what problems.  How does that change the fact that many, including myself, feel this DLC release, in every way it was done, is a terrible public relations move?  What we have been trying to say this whole time is that our opinion is that this action leaves a pretty sour taste in the mouths of Biowares fans and customers who frankly deserve better treatment for their time and money already spent.

Again, the people who say that the game released as it was with its bugs and problems was totally fine astound me.  And those of you who did not experience any problems and claim it must be a problem with specific copies of the game are either so fiercely in denial or have simply been living under a rock for the past 2 months since this game's release.  The developers have long since acknowledged the game breaking nature of some of these bugs; I am just waiting for a reasonable compromise with their fans.

Modifié par Robtachi, 29 avril 2011 - 07:36 .

[Sabriana]

@ Robtachi

Neither Rein nor Rock demanded anything. They asked me very nicely what was wrong with my game, and I answered.

If your post was addressed to the general tone of the thread, I apologize. But I will state that neither one demanded anything from me, personally. I like them both and I do not wish them attacked because they showed sympathy and concern.

But other than that, you are right. The game does have problems in the technical department, and I resent being told that it's "totally my fault/my system sucks/etc".

[Rockpopple]

@ Sabriana - That DRM is a damned mess. I'm glad I don't have to deal with it as I'm not a pc gamer, but it's a shame that in order to punish pirates, they go and punish people who purchase their games nice and legally. It's.... absolutely...

... well I'd use the "R word", but since that's a faux-pas nowadays, I'll just call it completely baffling. What a mess.

Edit: I just realised the word "mess" is being thrown around here a lot. lol. I guess it's easier to say that then to risk a 24-hour ban by calling it a Galactic-sized cluster****.

Modifié par Rockpopple, 29 avril 2011 - 07:57 .

[Cutlass Jack]

Sabriana wrote...

@ Robtachi

Neither Rein nor Rock demanded anything. They asked me very nicely what was wrong with my game, and I answered.

If your post was addressed to the general tone of the thread, I apologize. But I will state that neither one demanded anything from me, personally. I like them both and I do not wish them attacked because they showed sympathy and concern.

But other than that, you are right. The game does have problems in the technical department, and I resent being told that it's "totally my fault/my system sucks/etc".

Its completely rediculous to say its your fault based on that! Your system has nothing to do with it. 
...Everyone knows its your purple hair causing the problem.


(but seriously that is sucky. Hope someone can figure it out for you. Far from my area of expertise.)

[Sabriana]

Rockpopple wrote...

@ Sabriana - That DRM is a damned mess. I'm glad I don't have to deal with it as I'm not a pc gamer, but it's a shame that in order to punish pirates, they go and punish people who purchase their games nice and legally. It's.... absolutely...

... well I'd use the "R word", but since that's a faux-pas nowadays, I'll just call it completely baffling. What a mess.

Edit: I just realised the word "mess" is being thrown around here a lot. lol. I guess it's easier to say that then to risk a 24-hour ban by calling it a Galactic-sized cluster****.

Thank you, I feel better now

You're right, the DRM is a bad mess, and it severely punishes the honest customer. The pirates are laughing their butts off and showing everyone the stinky finger.
I did have to look up the cluster... ah.. thing. That was funny. I've never heard that expression before.

[Reinveil]

Sabriana wrote...

Oh Rein, you have no idea. Just try the "unable to launch" thread in the tech support. It's a scary place, I tell you.

I know that the DLC crew has naught to do with the patch crew. But it still gives me a bad feeling to see that an item pack DLC is out, but a huge problem is lagging behind. I know it's irrational. But then again, I've never claimed to be more than a human being with irrational reactions.... sometimes

I also know that Luke is trying his best. Even now he and his crew are trying to patch DA:O and DA:A. But still, bitterness can make one a bit unfair now and then. It will only take one silly put-down to make the bitterness flow up and over. Like being told that I'm not entitled to anything.

I hope your patience is eventually rewarded, especially since your issue is a lot more severe than what most are having to deal with.  I can't say I'd be as understanding were I in the same position.

And honestly, I don't think your feelings regarding the DLC are irrational at all.  There are other issues that need to be addressed before they start nickel and diming the more gullible consumers to death with overpriced horse armor.

Modifié par Reinveil, 29 avril 2011 - 08:53 .

[NedPepper]

I've gotten halfway through this thread, but I want to make a few points.

1) You bought the game. You have no entitlement to ANYTHING. If you don't like the DLC...here's a concept...don't buy it.

2) The PC elitism. You all want a toolset. I find this argument interesting. The cost of a computer that can play games like Witcher and Dragon Age is a heck of a lot more than what you paid for the game or five dollar DLC. It's back to that entitlement. Why should YOU get more than console players who can't afford a computer to play the game on? Why do you get special treatment over us X-Box and Playstation users. Patching our game is important and it takes time.

3). I started a thread a while back that said said "Bioware give us a sign you still have plans for DA2". Story based DLC takes TIME. Why would you want to them to RUSH IT again? Let them come up with new areas and caves and dungeons and cool new concepts. Let them take in our loves and complaints and find a way to create a happy medium. This item DLC wasn't hyped. It was that sign I think some of us wanted. To know that despite all of the toxic opinions, they are still involved and excited about enriching this game. If you really hate this game...why does any of this even matter to you? Just don't buy it. Move on.

I understand if you're disappointed in Bioware for not making a game that lived up to YOUR PERSONAL standards. It's a rapidly changing business, these video games. There's a learning curve, here for the devs. I'm not sure there is ever going to be anything released that will change your opinion on the combat style and the story. Maybe I'm wrong. But this whole argument to me seems to be a hell of a lot about nothing. It's the same angry people saying the same bitter arguments.

I bought the pack..not because I was really excited. I bought it because I enjoy the game, I accept its flaws, and I want to see some really cool story driven DLC in future months. I asked for a sign, they gave me some items to play with for five bucks. If there's anyone else like me...it's a sign that for those who love this series that we will get to continue to enjoy it.

[Reinveil]

nedpepper wrote...

I've gotten halfway through this thread, but I want to make a few points.

1) You bought the game. You have no entitlement to ANYTHING. If you don't like the DLC...here's a concept...don't buy it.

2) The PC elitism. You all want a toolset. I find this argument interesting. The cost of a computer that can play games like Witcher and Dragon Age is a heck of a lot more than what you paid for the game or five dollar DLC. It's back to that entitlement. Why should YOU get more than console players who can't afford a computer to play the game on? Why do you get special treatment over us X-Box and Playstation users. Patching our game is important and it takes time.

3). I started a thread a while back that said said "Bioware give us a sign you still have plans for DA2". Story based DLC takes TIME. Why would you want to them to RUSH IT again? Let them come up with new areas and caves and dungeons and cool new concepts. Let them take in our loves and complaints and find a way to create a happy medium. This item DLC wasn't hyped. It was that sign I think some of us wanted. To know that despite all of the toxic opinions, they are still involved and excited about enriching this game. If you really hate this game...why does any of this even matter to you? Just don't buy it. Move on.

I understand if you're disappointed in Bioware for not making a game that lived up to YOUR PERSONAL standards. It's a rapidly changing business, these video games. There's a learning curve, here for the devs. I'm not sure there is ever going to be anything released that will change your opinion on the combat style and the story. Maybe I'm wrong. But this whole argument to me seems to be a hell of a lot about nothing. It's the same angry people saying the same bitter arguments.

I bought the pack..not because I was really excited. I bought it because I enjoy the game, I accept its flaws, and I want to see some really cool story driven DLC in future months. I asked for a sign, they gave me some items to play with for five bucks. If there's anyone else like me...it's a sign that for those who love this series that we will get to continue to enjoy it.

You might want to read the second half of the thread where we talk about people making the above arguments aren't contributing to anything other than anti-intellectualism and ignorant consumerism, then.  Like what you just said also hasn't been said a thousand times before.

Why you take criticism of a product so personally is baffling to me.

Edit: Seriously, I had no idea there were so many people out there that find the concept of being critical of something you paid for like everyone else so difficult to comprehend.

Modifié par Reinveil, 29 avril 2011 - 09:56 .

[Ariella]

On the DRM, wasn't it just a check on the date this time around. I swear they said they weren't using SecureRom or anything like it this time. I need to find that thread again.

Sabriana, sorry about your situation. It sucks, and you have my sympathies.

[Reinveil]

That's what they said, yes. And that it would occasionally require you to log into your EA account (assuming it's a physical copy, anyway). For whatever reason, it seems to be conflicting with something else that's already on her computer despite nothing suspect actually be present. Weird, to say the least.