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[NedPepper]

Reinveil wrote...

nedpepper wrote...

I've gotten halfway through this thread, but I want to make a few points.

1) You bought the game. You have no entitlement to ANYTHING. If you don't like the DLC...here's a concept...don't buy it.

2) The PC elitism. You all want a toolset. I find this argument interesting. The cost of a computer that can play games like Witcher and Dragon Age is a heck of a lot more than what you paid for the game or five dollar DLC. It's back to that entitlement. Why should YOU get more than console players who can't afford a computer to play the game on? Why do you get special treatment over us X-Box and Playstation users. Patching our game is important and it takes time.

3). I started a thread a while back that said said "Bioware give us a sign you still have plans for DA2". Story based DLC takes TIME. Why would you want to them to RUSH IT again? Let them come up with new areas and caves and dungeons and cool new concepts. Let them take in our loves and complaints and find a way to create a happy medium. This item DLC wasn't hyped. It was that sign I think some of us wanted. To know that despite all of the toxic opinions, they are still involved and excited about enriching this game. If you really hate this game...why does any of this even matter to you? Just don't buy it. Move on.

I understand if you're disappointed in Bioware for not making a game that lived up to YOUR PERSONAL standards. It's a rapidly changing business, these video games. There's a learning curve, here for the devs. I'm not sure there is ever going to be anything released that will change your opinion on the combat style and the story. Maybe I'm wrong. But this whole argument to me seems to be a hell of a lot about nothing. It's the same angry people saying the same bitter arguments.

I bought the pack..not because I was really excited. I bought it because I enjoy the game, I accept its flaws, and I want to see some really cool story driven DLC in future months. I asked for a sign, they gave me some items to play with for five bucks. If there's anyone else like me...it's a sign that for those who love this series that we will get to continue to enjoy it.

You might want to read the second half of the thread where we talk about people making the above arguments aren't contributing to anything other than anti-intellectualism and ignorant consumerism, then.  Like what you just said also hasn't been said a thousand times before.

Why you take criticism of a product so personally is baffling to me.

Edit: Seriously, I had no idea there were so many people out there that find the concept of being critical of something you paid for like everyone else so difficult to comprehend.

In other words, because I enjoy the game, I'm ignorant and dumb?  Heh.  Ah, been down this road on these boards.

You can be as unhappy as you want to be about this item DLC.  It's insulting to you.  YOU deserve MORE.  No matter how you spin it, you continue to come across like an entitled child.  

I have no issue with you not enjoying the game.  None at all.  Join the herd. 

But if you truly dislike Dragon Age 2 THAT much, why are even interested in the downloaded content?  For nearly two months now, people have been posting their disdain for this game.  I think the Bioware has gotten the point.  What I don't understand is the obsessive need to come to a website every day to make that point known.  After a while...what exactly are you trying to accomplish?  What is your goal, here?  Free stuff?  An apology?  To call those of us who enjoy the game ignorant consumers or people without any taste?

Because if that's the reason, you've just exposed yourself as a petty, shallow man.

So, I ask again, what is your goal?

[Ariella]

Reinveil wrote...

That's what they said, yes. And that it would occasionally require you to log into your EA account (assuming it's a physical copy, anyway). For whatever reason, it seems to be conflicting with something else that's already on her computer despite nothing suspect actually be present. Weird, to say the least.

That is weird, and goes beyond just a bug, I'd think.

Sabriana, I'm going to assume you checked your virus scan/firewall? I know I'm having problems with SONAR acting up on certain legit game patches.  Other than that, the fault may lie somewhere in the system.

I wish there was more that could be done to help at the moment.

[Cralle35]

Robtachi wrote...

Cralle35 wrote...

OP: 
I am not sure I get what it is you want?

You
are clearly not experiencing game stopping bugs, as you have completed
the game. You say that you are experiencing bugs that are limiting your
enjoyment of the game.

So you want something for free from Bioware, because you don't enjoy the game as much as you had expected you would???

And by the way - we all got a free copy of Mass Effect 2, which is a game still worth $20. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/unsure.png

Your logic for all those points is totally flawed. You assume (never a good idea) that A) just because I finished the game means I never ran into game stopping bugs. There are well known complex workarounds for many of them. What if I had to totally avoid using and experiencing certain characters and their relationships simply to progress? Giving away Mass Effect 2, while great and all, assumes (again, bad) that everyone who bought DA2 would have interest in ME2, has a PC that can play ME2, or doesn't already own ME2. That was not a gift, that was a marketing tactic, and certainly a good one. You can't just assume that applies to everyone, however.

I'll say again, please stop assuming to know what my gameplay experience was. I have no clue as to why my personal playthrough is being put on trial here with all the hundreds of possibilities it could have had that led to me forming this discussion.



Let me state the facts here:

Bioware released DA2, bugged and glitched so that it was not playable in the way they themselves admitted they intended it.  As of yet, they are not done patching it so that people may play it properly.  In addition, they have released DLC as if business were being conducted as normal. How am I the crazy one for feeling that is a poor message to send to your customers particularly after being so adamant that they are listening to our concerns with this franchise and weighing their options carefully?

I am not complaining about DLC as an idea. I'm not complaining about the item set itself.  What I am saying is that the correct move would have been to make such a small DLC like this complimentary for those of us who have not been able to have the full DA2 experience as intended despite our purchase.  Or, an alternative would have been to create a more in-depth DLC, or just something meant to be a little bonus, a nod to all of us that we and our opinions matter.  All of this speculation on personal motivations for not wanting to buy this DLC is totally irrelevant.  It is also just speculation, which every one of us is ill-equipped to level upon any fellow poster.

If this DLC was so quick and easy for Bioware to churn out, why not just make it a free gift? That would certainly have said so much more to the notion that "Bioware is the company that cares" ™ than "by the way we're still working so that some of you can pick the game off the shelf but here's $9 worth of extraneous stuff if you want it"

OK - there are alot of assumptions and putting meanings into what I wrote here, that is just plain wrong.

1. If you had experienced game stopping bugs you would not have been able to finish the game. By definition a game stopping bug prevents you from continuing and finishing the game. You said yourself that you have completed the game - ie. you have not experience a bug that you could not work around to finish the game.

2. I am not assuming anything regarding the giveaway of ME2. I just stated the fact that we got it for free, and it is still (at least in my part of the world) a game that you would have to spend $20 to get. I said, or assumed absolutely nothing whether you want it, need it can play it etc. - stop putting meaning into what I wrote that is not there.

Please make sure not to assume too much yourself. The fact is that you are experiencing a game that has bugs, and that you find the game unplayable. I will not try to assume anything, but judging by the number of people writing on the forums that they have completed the game multiple times, compared to the people writing that they cannot play the game because of bugs, indicates that there are more people able to play (and complete) the game than there are people experiencing bugs. So why should Bioware give the players anything for free?

Granted, the game itself leaves a lot to wish for with the non-coherent story, exploding monsters, enemies appearing out of the blue and a story that is dull, at best. But these are design decisions, that were made by Bioware and although I can blame them for taking these decisions, it gives me no right to anything.

[Reinveil]

nedpepper wrote...

Reinveil wrote...

nedpepper wrote...

I've gotten halfway through this thread, but I want to make a few points.

1) You bought the game. You have no entitlement to ANYTHING. If you don't like the DLC...here's a concept...don't buy it.

2) The PC elitism. You all want a toolset. I find this argument interesting. The cost of a computer that can play games like Witcher and Dragon Age is a heck of a lot more than what you paid for the game or five dollar DLC. It's back to that entitlement. Why should YOU get more than console players who can't afford a computer to play the game on? Why do you get special treatment over us X-Box and Playstation users. Patching our game is important and it takes time.

3). I started a thread a while back that said said "Bioware give us a sign you still have plans for DA2". Story based DLC takes TIME. Why would you want to them to RUSH IT again? Let them come up with new areas and caves and dungeons and cool new concepts. Let them take in our loves and complaints and find a way to create a happy medium. This item DLC wasn't hyped. It was that sign I think some of us wanted. To know that despite all of the toxic opinions, they are still involved and excited about enriching this game. If you really hate this game...why does any of this even matter to you? Just don't buy it. Move on.

I understand if you're disappointed in Bioware for not making a game that lived up to YOUR PERSONAL standards. It's a rapidly changing business, these video games. There's a learning curve, here for the devs. I'm not sure there is ever going to be anything released that will change your opinion on the combat style and the story. Maybe I'm wrong. But this whole argument to me seems to be a hell of a lot about nothing. It's the same angry people saying the same bitter arguments.

I bought the pack..not because I was really excited. I bought it because I enjoy the game, I accept its flaws, and I want to see some really cool story driven DLC in future months. I asked for a sign, they gave me some items to play with for five bucks. If there's anyone else like me...it's a sign that for those who love this series that we will get to continue to enjoy it.

You might want to read the second half of the thread where we talk about people making the above arguments aren't contributing to anything other than anti-intellectualism and ignorant consumerism, then.  Like what you just said also hasn't been said a thousand times before.

Why you take criticism of a product so personally is baffling to me.

Edit: Seriously, I had no idea there were so many people out there that find the concept of being critical of something you paid for like everyone else so difficult to comprehend.

In other words, because I enjoy the game, I'm ignorant and dumb?  Heh.  Ah, been down this road on these boards.

You can be as unhappy as you want to be about this item DLC.  It's insulting to you.  YOU deserve MORE.  No matter how you spin it, you continue to come across like an entitled child.  

I have no issue with you not enjoying the game.  None at all.  Join the herd. 

But if you truly dislike Dragon Age 2 THAT much, why are even interested in the downloaded content?  For nearly two months now, people have been posting their disdain for this game.  I think the Bioware has gotten the point.  What I don't understand is the obsessive need to come to a website every day to make that point known.  After a while...what exactly are you trying to accomplish?  What is your goal, here?  Free stuff?  An apology?  To call those of us who enjoy the game ignorant consumers or people without any taste?

Because if that's the reason, you've just exposed yourself as a petty, shallow man.

So, I ask again, what is your goal?

Actually, if you were to read the entire thread, you'd note that I've repeatedly disagreed with the OP despite being disappointed with the game.  I don't feel that I'm owed something merely because I didn't like what I paid for.  If the game didn't work (like what Sab's dealing with), that would be one thing, but I don't expect handouts every time I'm unhappy with something.  Nice try, though.

If you think Bioware's gotten "the point", that's fine.  Comments made recently on websites and in gaming publications indicate a disconnect with the fanbase that implies otherwise.  That may or may not be the case, but either way it generates discussion.  I think the fact that people are still talking about this after two months says more about the quality of the game than the "obsessive" nature of the critics.

And to turn the mirror on you for a moment, what is your "obsessive" need to come into threads you haven't even fully read and play white knight like you have a personal stake in a video game developer's affairs?  That's fine if you don't see or understand the ethical implications of releasing cash-grab DLC when other problems have yet to be resolved, but some of us are wondering what's going on with a company we used to hold in very high esteem and wish to talk about it.  We have just as much right to do so as you do to come in here and freak out like your mother is being insulted.  We paid for the game, too.

Nothing changes if everyone's attitude is "if you don't like it, leave".  It sends an irresponsible message (much like spending 5 dollars on what amounts to Barbie Dress-Up when some people still can't even play the game), and stifles discussion and debate.

So, I answered your question, and now I ask: what are you trying to accomplish with these rants?

Modifié par Reinveil, 29 avril 2011 - 10:28 .

[Ariella]

Reinveil wrote...
 
Nothing changes if everyone's attitude is "if you don't like it, leave".  It sends an irresponsible message (much like spending 5 dollars on what amounts to Barbie Dress-Up when some people still can't even play the game), and stifles discussion and debate.

So, I answered your question, and now I ask: what are you trying to accomplish with these rants?

Reinveil, calling everyone who chose to buy the DLC irresponsible, is just as bad as the "don't like it, leave." line. It's insulting to those people who are enjoying the DLC, and it's been pointed out that DLC and Patch resources don't collide all that much, plus there have been two patches for PC and one title update for consoles (not counting PSN's problems), and they are working on the next patch.

I think both you guys need to step back and breath.

[NvVanity]

Can't we all just get along?

[Ariella]

NvVanity wrote...

Can't we all just get along?

I wish,

[Reinveil]

Ariella wrote...

Reinveil wrote...
 
Nothing changes if everyone's attitude is "if you don't like it, leave".  It sends an irresponsible message (much like spending 5 dollars on what amounts to Barbie Dress-Up when some people still can't even play the game), and stifles discussion and debate.

So, I answered your question, and now I ask: what are you trying to accomplish with these rants?

Reinveil, calling everyone who chose to buy the DLC irresponsible, is just as bad as the "don't like it, leave." line. It's insulting to those people who are enjoying the DLC, and it's been pointed out that DLC and Patch resources don't collide all that much, plus there have been two patches for PC and one title update for consoles (not counting PSN's problems), and they are working on the next patch.

I think both you guys need to step back and breath.

Fair enough.  I will forever curse Bethesda for kicking off the horse armor model of DLC, but I guess they knew what they were doing, as people continue to buy it.  You're right, I suppose it all depends on perspective.  I apologize if I offended.  I normally don't get that riled up posting here, but when I read the "you're entitled" defense enough times, especially after I've repeatedly said otherwise, it grates on my nerves.

Modifié par Reinveil, 29 avril 2011 - 10:50 .

[Robtachi]

Cralle35 wrote...

OK - there are alot of assumptions and putting meanings into what I wrote here, that is just plain wrong.

1. If you had experienced game stopping bugs you would not have been able to finish the game. By definition a game stopping bug prevents you from continuing and finishing the game. You said yourself that you have completed the game - ie. you have not experience a bug that you could not work around to finish the game.

Sure, it is possible to work around the game stopping bugs in order to finish the game.  But those workarounds are simply ridiculous and in many cases eliminate the possibility to romance and/or develop a relationship with certain characters or have them in your active party. That is absurd and is no way to reasonably expect your customers to play a game, to completion or not.

Cralle35

Granted, the game itself leaves a lot to wish for with the non-coherent story, exploding monsters, enemies appearing out of the blue and a story that is dull, at best. But these are design decisions, that were made by Bioware and although I can blame them for taking these decisions, it gives me no right to anything.

You're right, and I never said I was entitled to anything for those reasons either. Something I have repeated ad nauseum, in fact.

Sabriana wrote...

@ Robtachi

Neither Rein nor Rock demanded anything. They asked me very nicely what was wrong with my game, and I answered.

If
your post was addressed to the general tone of the thread, I apologize.
But I will state that neither one demanded anything from me,
personally. I like them both and I do not wish them attacked because
they showed sympathy and concern.

But other than that, you are
right. The game does have problems in the technical department, and I
resent being told that it's "totally my fault/my system
sucks/etc".

No no, no attack intended, for sure. I am doing my best to steer discussion completely away from personal attacks despite other poster's seeming enthusiasm for them [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angel.png[/smilie]

Modifié par Robtachi, 29 avril 2011 - 10:56 .

[Ariella]

Reinveil wrote...

Ariella wrote...

Reinveil wrote...
 
Nothing changes if everyone's attitude is "if you don't like it, leave".  It sends an irresponsible message (much like spending 5 dollars on what amounts to Barbie Dress-Up when some people still can't even play the game), and stifles discussion and debate.

So, I answered your question, and now I ask: what are you trying to accomplish with these rants?

Reinveil, calling everyone who chose to buy the DLC irresponsible, is just as bad as the "don't like it, leave." line. It's insulting to those people who are enjoying the DLC, and it's been pointed out that DLC and Patch resources don't collide all that much, plus there have been two patches for PC and one title update for consoles (not counting PSN's problems), and they are working on the next patch.

I think both you guys need to step back and breath.

Fair enough.  I will forever curse Bethesda for kicking off the horse armor model of DLC, but I guess they knew what they were doing, as people continue to buy it.  But you're right, I suppose it all depends on perspective.  I apologize if I offended.

Sokay, and honestly, I would have found horse armor hard to swollow as a first DLC myself. I bout the entire pack for console (website problems keep me from even getting points period so I can't buy any PC DLC that might come out till that's fixed). The rogue weapons for duel wield are really nice, not only for the new models that make them look more sword-like, they're also the only duel wields I've found that improve on level up, plus other nice bonuses, which again means less hunting for me when it comes to having to trade out weapons, so my only worry for Hawke is assesories. Gives me more time to run around and talk to people.

[Reinveil]

I think people are forgetting that Bioware gave free copies of Mass Effect 2 to everyone that bought DAII, btw.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Reinveil wrote...

Ariella wrote...

Reinveil wrote...
 
Nothing changes if everyone's attitude is "if you don't like it, leave".  It sends an irresponsible message (much like spending 5 dollars on what amounts to Barbie Dress-Up when some people still can't even play the game), and stifles discussion and debate.

So, I answered your question, and now I ask: what are you trying to accomplish with these rants?

Reinveil, calling everyone who chose to buy the DLC irresponsible, is just as bad as the "don't like it, leave." line. It's insulting to those people who are enjoying the DLC, and it's been pointed out that DLC and Patch resources don't collide all that much, plus there have been two patches for PC and one title update for consoles (not counting PSN's problems), and they are working on the next patch.

I think both you guys need to step back and breath.

Fair enough.  I will forever curse Bethesda for kicking off the horse armor model of DLC, but I guess they knew what they were doing, as people continue to buy it.  You're right, I suppose it all depends on perspective.  I apologize if I offended.  I normally don't get that riled up posting here, but when I read the "you're entitled" defense enough times, especially after I've repeatedly said otherwise, it grates on my nerves.

Even Beth can laugh about the Horse Armor now. And about the entitlement... If product X produced by Y does not function as advertized they better come up with a solution. Claiming that one is not entitled to that does only one thing: The problem won't be fixed. That doesn't mean you have to be offensive about it, but pushing for a solution is the only option you have. Voting with your wallet helps, but mainly effects the next product.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 29 avril 2011 - 11:02 .

[Reinveil]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Claiming that one is not entitled to that does only one thing: The problem won't be fixed. That doesn't mean you have to be offensive about it, but pushing for a solution is the only option you have. Voting with your wallet helps, but mainly effects the next product.

Edit: Quoted for truth with updated bolded text, rendering the proceeding clarification redundant! 

Modifié par Reinveil, 29 avril 2011 - 11:08 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

Reinveil wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Claiming that one is not entitled to that does only one thing: The problem won't be fixed. That doesn't mean you have to be offensive about it, but pushing for a solution is the only option you have. Voting with your wallet helps, but mainly effects the next product.

Quoted for truth!

I've changed it a bit in my previous post... Corrected above. Ghehe. I was to slow to see my mistake here.

Edit: Thanks for the updated QFT, Reinveil.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 30 avril 2011 - 12:04 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

For an example: It helps to refuse DA2 DLCs, but that only works when a lot of people do it and when they buy them after the product has been fixed. I doubt that a lot of people would actually do that. So, pushing is the way to go.

[ZombiePowered]

I just want to get this dramafest straight...

So, all of the programmers and QA testers and many of the design team members working their asses off to provide a patch to fix as many of the bugs in the game as possible.

Meanwhile, in the art room (I'm assuming that all artists occupy the same well-lit room and fingerpaint or something), the artists decide it'd be fun to draw some cool armor. Then it gets made into real in game armor for their characters. Then EA decides hey, lets make money off of this, and slaps a price tag on it for the consumers to buy.

Then a bunch of people decide to get furious angry because these two unrelated incidents are actually a Bioware-EA lovefest conspiracy to ruin our lives and not give us all of the special things we deserve because, god damnit, we bought some stuff from them.

Is that correct?

[Morroian]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Even Beth can laugh about the Horse Armor now. And about the entitlement... If product X produced by Y does not function as advertized they better come up with a solution. Claiming that one is not entitled to that does only one thing: The problem won't be fixed. That doesn't mean you have to be offensive about it, but pushing for a solution is the only option you have. Voting with your wallet helps, but mainly effects the next product.

The entitlement comes from the fact that the OP thinks BW should throw us a bone because of the game being released with numerous bugs and that countless people are experiencing game breaking bugs, a claim he has yet to substantiate and ignoring the fact that the patch team are clearly working hard on the bugs in the game. FWIW DA2 runs better for me than DAO did.

[Robtachi]

ZombiePowered wrote...

I just want to get this dramafest straight...

So, all of the programmers and QA testers and many of the design team members working their asses off to provide a patch to fix as many of the bugs in the game as possible.

Meanwhile, in the art room (I'm assuming that all artists occupy the same well-lit room and fingerpaint or something), the artists decide it'd be fun to draw some cool armor. Then it gets made into real in game armor for their characters. Then EA decides hey, lets make money off of this, and slaps a price tag on it for the consumers to buy.

Then a bunch of people decide to get furious angry because these two unrelated incidents are actually a Bioware-EA lovefest conspiracy to ruin our lives and not give us all of the special things we deserve because, god damnit, we bought some stuff from them.

Is that correct?

Sure, if you're looking to completely exaggerate and trivialize the situation in order to carry your personal opinion, then yes.

[Robtachi]

Morroian wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Even Beth can laugh about the Horse Armor now. And about the entitlement... If product X produced by Y does not function as advertized they better come up with a solution. Claiming that one is not entitled to that does only one thing: The problem won't be fixed. That doesn't mean you have to be offensive about it, but pushing for a solution is the only option you have. Voting with your wallet helps, but mainly effects the next product.

The entitlement comes from the fact that the OP thinks BW should throw us a bone because of the game being released with numerous bugs and that countless people are experiencing game breaking bugs, a claim he has yet to substantiate and ignoring the fact that the patch team are clearly working hard on the bugs in the game. FWIW DA2 runs better for me than DAO did.

What have I failed to substantiate? Am I pulling these gameplay issues out of thin air with magic and farts? They are well documented, whether or not I myself have experienced them (which is irrelevant anyway).  This thread was meant as a commentary and discussion on Bioware's current perceived PR strategy and how it looks to us.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Robtachi wrote...

Morroian wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Even Beth can laugh about the Horse Armor now. And about the entitlement... If product X produced by Y does not function as advertized they better come up with a solution. Claiming that one is not entitled to that does only one thing: The problem won't be fixed. That doesn't mean you have to be offensive about it, but pushing for a solution is the only option you have. Voting with your wallet helps, but mainly effects the next product.

The entitlement comes from the fact that the OP thinks BW should throw us a bone because of the game being released with numerous bugs and that countless people are experiencing game breaking bugs, a claim he has yet to substantiate and ignoring the fact that the patch team are clearly working hard on the bugs in the game. FWIW DA2 runs better for me than DAO did.

What have I failed to substantiate? Am I pulling these gameplay issues out of thin air with magic and farts? They are well documented, whether or not I myself have experienced them (which is irrelevant anyway).  This thread was meant as a commentary and discussion on Bioware's current perceived PR strategy and how it looks to us.

Ghehe. It's much like an ostrich putting its head in the sand. Morroian can't see the problems so that means these are not there. To be honest... One can always look at the DA2 support threads. Devs are running around there investigating problems and confirming some of them. BW promised a patch in which 100+ bugs would be fixed. Some have already been fixed. So if I get it right BioWare, you and me are wrong, because Morroian believes there are no such bugs. So, the Isabela bug that caused the game to be unplayable because I attacked slower than a snail was an illusion. Interesting. I am going to my shrink next Monday.

[Reinveil]

Morroian wrote...
The entitlement comes from the fact that the OP thinks BW should throw us a bone because of the game being released with numerous bugs and that countless people are experiencing game breaking bugs, a claim he has yet to substantiate and ignoring the fact that the patch team are clearly working hard on the bugs in the game. FWIW DA2 runs better for me than DAO did.

Of course you understand that your experience is unique to you though, yes?  Another person posted in this thread that can't even get her game to work without modifying the exe.  I'm not really arguing the point you're trying to make, mind you, only that anecdotal evidence can lead to wildly different conclusions.

Just out of curiosity (this is directed towards anyone that knows), when did the console patch hit?

Edit: Also, he doesn't really need to "substantiate" anything when you need only wander over to the tech support boards and see for yourself what people are talking about.  While games are just buggy these days, to pretend there are none at all because you didn't see them is a little silly too.

Modifié par Reinveil, 30 avril 2011 - 12:24 .

[NedPepper]

Reinveil wrote...

nedpepper wrote...

Reinveil wrote...

nedpepper wrote...

I've gotten halfway through this thread, but I want to make a few points.

1) You bought the game. You have no entitlement to ANYTHING. If you don't like the DLC...here's a concept...don't buy it.

2) The PC elitism. You all want a toolset. I find this argument interesting. The cost of a computer that can play games like Witcher and Dragon Age is a heck of a lot more than what you paid for the game or five dollar DLC. It's back to that entitlement. Why should YOU get more than console players who can't afford a computer to play the game on? Why do you get special treatment over us X-Box and Playstation users. Patching our game is important and it takes time.

3). I started a thread a while back that said said "Bioware give us a sign you still have plans for DA2". Story based DLC takes TIME. Why would you want to them to RUSH IT again? Let them come up with new areas and caves and dungeons and cool new concepts. Let them take in our loves and complaints and find a way to create a happy medium. This item DLC wasn't hyped. It was that sign I think some of us wanted. To know that despite all of the toxic opinions, they are still involved and excited about enriching this game. If you really hate this game...why does any of this even matter to you? Just don't buy it. Move on.

I understand if you're disappointed in Bioware for not making a game that lived up to YOUR PERSONAL standards. It's a rapidly changing business, these video games. There's a learning curve, here for the devs. I'm not sure there is ever going to be anything released that will change your opinion on the combat style and the story. Maybe I'm wrong. But this whole argument to me seems to be a hell of a lot about nothing. It's the same angry people saying the same bitter arguments.

I bought the pack..not because I was really excited. I bought it because I enjoy the game, I accept its flaws, and I want to see some really cool story driven DLC in future months. I asked for a sign, they gave me some items to play with for five bucks. If there's anyone else like me...it's a sign that for those who love this series that we will get to continue to enjoy it.

You might want to read the second half of the thread where we talk about people making the above arguments aren't contributing to anything other than anti-intellectualism and ignorant consumerism, then.  Like what you just said also hasn't been said a thousand times before.

Why you take criticism of a product so personally is baffling to me.

Edit: Seriously, I had no idea there were so many people out there that find the concept of being critical of something you paid for like everyone else so difficult to comprehend.

In other words, because I enjoy the game, I'm ignorant and dumb?  Heh.  Ah, been down this road on these boards.

You can be as unhappy as you want to be about this item DLC.  It's insulting to you.  YOU deserve MORE.  No matter how you spin it, you continue to come across like an entitled child.  

I have no issue with you not enjoying the game.  None at all.  Join the herd. 

But if you truly dislike Dragon Age 2 THAT much, why are even interested in the downloaded content?  For nearly two months now, people have been posting their disdain for this game.  I think the Bioware has gotten the point.  What I don't understand is the obsessive need to come to a website every day to make that point known.  After a while...what exactly are you trying to accomplish?  What is your goal, here?  Free stuff?  An apology?  To call those of us who enjoy the game ignorant consumers or people without any taste?

Because if that's the reason, you've just exposed yourself as a petty, shallow man.

So, I ask again, what is your goal?

Actually, if you were to read the entire thread, you'd note that I've repeatedly disagreed with the OP despite being disappointed with the game.  I don't feel that I'm owed something merely because I didn't like what I paid for.  If the game didn't work (like what Sab's dealing with), that would be one thing, but I don't expect handouts every time I'm unhappy with something.  Nice try, though.

If you think Bioware's gotten "the point", that's fine.  Comments made recently on websites and in gaming publications indicate a disconnect with the fanbase that implies otherwise.  That may or may not be the case, but either way it generates discussion.  I think the fact that people are still talking about this after two months says more about the quality of the game than the "obsessive" nature of the critics.

And to turn the mirror on you for a moment, what is your "obsessive" need to come into threads you haven't even fully read and play white knight like you have a personal stake in a video game developer's affairs?  That's fine if you don't see or understand the ethical implications of releasing cash-grab DLC when other problems have yet to be resolved, but some of us are wondering what's going on with a company we used to hold in very high esteem and wish to talk about it.  We have just as much right to do so as you do to come in here and freak out like your mother is being insulted.  We paid for the game, too.

Nothing changes if everyone's attitude is "if you don't like it, leave".  It sends an irresponsible message (much like spending 5 dollars on what amounts to Barbie Dress-Up when some people still can't even play the game), and stifles discussion and debate.

So, I answered your question, and now I ask: what are you trying to accomplish with these rants?

Actually, I really don't post on these boards anymore. Why go into a toxic cesspool if you don't have to?  This conversation is evidence as to why I don't post here anymore.   I read the OP's post, read about 5 pages of a circular argument rehashing the same general bitterness of these boards for the last two months and decided to post my thoughts that really weren't addressed to ANYONE IN PARTICULAR.  You then decided to throw out labels like ignorant and stupid.  So, my agenda becomes defending not only myself, but everyone else you labeled in your arrogance.

I never told you to leave.  I just think it's odd to repeat the same message over and over in every thread.  DA2 sucks.  Their DLC sucks.  Bioware sucks.  EA sucks.  That's essentially the message.  Do you want them to admit this?  I hope you enjoy waiting.  I just find it all very suspect.  But feel free to continue.  Like I said, I had free time today and made the mistake of coming to this toxic hive.  And please refer to my original post, which I stand by, if you want any more of my input.  As far as obsessiveness....you insulted me, pal.  Whereas I orignally never said a word to you.  You could have made your argument without your vast generalizations, but instead you took the low road.  Don't expect someone to ignore you responding like a jerk. 

I have no stake in Bioware.  And I'm no white knight.  (You like those labels, don't you?)  I'm just trying to rationalize this sincere hatred for something as trivial as 5 dollar DLC that is completly OPTIONAL.  It's not, "if you don't like it leave".  It's just...don't...buy...it.  And maybe you'll get your wish.  They'll stop making it.   No more abusive rampant consumerism. 

Who's really riding high on their horse, here? 

[Reinveil]

nedpepper wrote...

So, my agenda becomes defending not only myself, but everyone else you labeled in your arrogance.

...And I'm no white knight.  (You like those labels, don't you?)

If the shoe fits...

Also, when you're done foaming at the mouth, please note that I apologized for my tone earlier.

Modifié par Reinveil, 30 avril 2011 - 12:32 .

[88mphSlayer]

NvVanity wrote...

Can't we all just get along?

no

*writes pretentious essay rabble rabble*

[Reinveil]

THIS PLACE IS SO TOXIC.