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[Foolsfolly]

Ok, I actually had to pull myself away from New Vegas to play BG2. And when I did....well, I generally ran around doing small things before heading towards the Graveyard.

...

...I did this before reading all those "DON'T GO TO THE GRAVEYARD AT NIGHT!" posts. Guess what I did.

I went to the Graveyard during the day but am currently there at night. I wanted to keep Korgan and so I wanted to do his quest. This made sense to me.

I went tomb to tomb looking for 'his' tomb for the book. My searching lead me to fight and defeat a Crypt King, tough fight but nothing compared to the other tombs I'd stumbled into. Spider's and their Queen are horrible horrible monsters.

I could not defeat the Queen, and had reload many times to pull everyone through any given spider fight. Micromanaging as much as I can.

Frankly, it was exhausting. So I gave up on that tomb and slept. Which got me another dream of Imoen and Irenicus. Ominous.

Now the Crypts are at night. I go into a few more, not trying to fight just find the correct tomb. After a few tomb dives and reloads I find the correct tomb thanks to Korgan telling me so.

With a target I reload and bring the whole team to the correct tomb. Fights with spiders are simple here. I feel like maybe...just maybe this is going to be easy.

Enter hell.

Mummies and other undead things show up inside an oddly Egyptian tomb. Despite my best efforts (buffing before the fight, laying traps which seem useless, and opening combat with nice AoE spells) I cannot win.

I must have reloaded two dozen times to have either myself wiped out (rarely) or one of my companions (which I cannot let stand).

I don't think keeping Korgan (who extremely dislikes the rest of my team) is worth this much aggravation. I honestly think the next time I go back to the game I'm leaving and starting the Circus mission. If Korgan decides to leave my company, fine, whatever. If he stays until I level some more and get better gear, also great.

But this mission is just getting under my skin too much. I'm not skilled enough either as a player or as a character and possibly both to pull this off yet.

Thanks for the responses. They're very helpful.

EDIT: I removed the overly specific mentions from my original post above.

I never even saw them, so good job!

Having just reread this thread....I'm going back in right now. I'm leaving Korgan's quest behind and continuing on. Despite getting my ass handled to me multiple times I feel like I'll be more successful elsewhere.

Modifié par Foolsfolly, 04 mai 2011 - 06:04 .

[Cowboy_christo]

 Korgan's quest is actually 1 of the hardest companion's quest. Not that its hard per say but you can get korgan pretty fast and he then push you to hurry to do his quest while being at an early lvl which is what make it hard. 

But the big thing that help vs undead are paladin and cleric. Not to be too spoiliferic but there is atleast 4 character that can turn undead which help tremendously. Finding 1 of them would be a good help for korgan's quest(or just for healing in general haha). 


Doing the circus will help for a bit more xp under your belt and some loots. I suggest you read carefully what the character talk about during the circus quest or you might have some surprise

Modifié par Cowboy_christo, 04 mai 2011 - 07:08 .

[Shaewaros]

Can't wait to see what happens next.

Modifié par Shaewaros, 04 mai 2011 - 10:10 .

[Moganza]

Yeah i recall Korgan's quest to be rather difficult. But then again i did it with me,korgan and another cleric npc. Clerics definitely help with undead. I'm surprised you picked up korgan and still havent got a cleric on your team. Circus is definitely a good idea, good luck!

[Foolsfolly]

I did do the Circus mission right after posting that. I also did some 'in-town' stuff. Healing, selling, learning spells, redistributing weapons, that kind of stuff.

The Circus mission was a blast. None of those hairy moments that the game had become while I trudged through tombs in the Graveyard.

I guess I should talk about the quest to people who clearly already know everything about it.

Sure, why not.

Well, right off the bat I love the decor. There's no way it all fits under the tent, which fits the descriptions I got from the guard and that panicked survivor. And then I'm met by a Genie.

Who asks to answer a riddle to let me pass a bridge. I fail the first riddle because without thinking too much I think, "Wait, this is a riddle...it's probably a trick." And I click on "They're the same age."

Wrong.

Prince was 30 and Princess was 40 (I remember this 7 hours later somehow). The second riddle, seeing as this was likely my last chance, was much easier. And I reread it like six times to make sure I totally understood it.

I answer incorrectly and are killed.

Apparently, I suck at riddles.

Reload.

I answer flawlessly the first time, impressing my temporally challenged questioner. Silly Genie may be magic, but I'm a time traveler!

I walk into the next room and meet some ugly giant thing with a vaguely familiar female voice. The giant tells its story and I agree to get its keys.

I then meet a giant spider, which talks about her missing child and explains a story that gels well with the giant.

And then there's two normal looking human beings just chilling.

Now, I'm posting on the BioBoards which says I'm a geek already. But the thought that I had here proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt. I see a giant ugly giant, a huge talking spider, and two normal humans just chilling. And I remember 'Men In Black' where Will Smith's character shoots the little girl clutching the physics book.

So I pause the game, have half my team attack one of the peasants and the other half the other. I grab the sword, return it to the giant and lo and behold her story was true!

Thanks, Will Smith.

I then decide, I'm sorry Lordling who wants me to retake her estate. You die too much and suck too much under my management. So I send her packing and bring in this wingless Winged Elf. It's like saying I'm a hornless horned human, but whatever.

Then I move forward, kill more Werewolves and Shadows and make my way to the 'Lord' of this illusion. I fight. I win.

...and I feel sorry for the guy.

He's a villain, no doubt, and a murderer....but I pity him. I don't think his sob story "they laugh at me" justifies his actions, nor would I support his actions. But I pity him that someone so strong at illusions honestly thought this was the only thing he could do.

I also learn two bits of information.

1- I hate the Cowled Wizards.
2- He was promised? By who? Make sense, gnome! ...oh he's dead now.

So...interesting.

I did another 'in town' session. Visited the Adventure's Market for the first time and learned that the half-elf (who I've talked to a lot recently) is a Harper....or something similar. Which means that one quest Xar hired me for is against her group.

...that's interesting.

So I save the game and got off. My next job will be Xar's. Why?

It's interesting and I may learn more about my half-elf companion in the process. Or alienate her. Whatever.

[Moganza]

Well Done. I love the bountiful number of quests there are in the game and each one is rich in content. Unlike the dreaded kill 5 wolves we get in some RPGs these days

[Cowboy_christo]

Glad you liked the circus quest + you get the sweet Aerie(you'll either love or hate her haha)

[Matuse]

After about the 500th time she says "Faster than Chiktika Fastpaws", I want to smash her face with a brick. It's not her voice, or her comparison with what I believe to be a raccoon deity, it's that she says "Fast" twice in the same sentence. Couldn't it be "Quicker than..." is that so much to ask?

[Cowboy_christo]

Matuse wrote...

After about the 500th time she says "Faster than Chiktika Fastpaws", I want to smash her face with a brick. It's not her voice, or her comparison with what I believe to be a raccoon deity, it's that she says "Fast" twice in the same sentence. Couldn't it be "Quicker than..." is that so much to ask?

Only 500th? Better than anomen, i wanted to punch him in the face the first time he talked to me lol.

Now time to finish my bg1 playtrough as this thread makes me want to play bg2 lol.

[morbidest2]

Ff: remember that you don't have to permanently turn down sidequests just because you're in the middle of another one. Just hit the "maybe, later" choice and don't add the NPC to your party at that point. If they aren't in your party, there aren't any game clocks running. Nalia's castle is a fun sidequest and a good battle training ground to hone the skills of fighters, mages, clerics and thieves.

[Guitar-Hero]

I am in the same situation you are in (more or less), tried PC gaming a few years back and it was an experience, anyways, i have never played BG or BG2, tried NwN2 a while back how do they compare? and any advice for a console player dabbling in PC gaming?

Modifié par Steffen, 16 mai 2011 - 04:12 .

[Matuse]

NWN and BG are...pretty dissimilar. The rulesets for the base games are quite varied, and the game engines themselves are radically different.

[bussinrounds]

Steffen wrote...

I am in the same situation you are in (more or less), tried PC gaming a few years back and it was an experience, anyways, i have never played BG or BG2, tried NwN2 a while back how do they compare? and any advice for a console player dabbling in PC gaming?

I played pc games like Ultima back in the 80's at friends houses, but was pretty much a console gamer like yourself for years after that.  I loved d&d back in the day though, so i said to myself, i have to get a pc, so i can play these great d&d crpgs like Baldurs and Planescape.  So i was in the same position as you.

I would go with The Baldurs Gate games first

Get both 1 and 2, and then BGT, which stands for Baldur's Gate Trilogy. It allows you to play Baldur's
Gate, Shadows of Amn and the expansions as one game, using the engine from BG2.

GOG is a good place to get the games.   www.gog.com/en/frontpage

 Spellhold is a good place for the mods like BGT and Widescreen mod (which you might need).    www.shsforums.net/

It sounds daunting for someone new to pc gaming, but it really is worth it.  Maybe you can get someone to help you out with setting it up, like i did. 

And once your ready to play, read the game manuals first !    These games are more complex than rpgs of today. (which is a good thing) 

Especially since they use the actual d&d 2 edition rules, you'll want to familiarise yourself with it first.   Plus, they're fun to read, and you'll get into it more.  You'll be more prepared to play, instead of feeling lost and overwhelmed.

Modifié par bussinrounds, 17 mai 2011 - 04:47 .

[BelgarathMTH]

Looks like maybe the OP has either given up or is taking a break from this. Too bad if he's gone, because I was finding his reactions and frustrations very interesting.

When I first played this game all those years ago, I was instantly hooked; I found it difficult, but manageable. But I had a set of coping skills and familiarity with the tropes of the world, because I had played tabletop D&D using the same second edition rules throughout high school and college. (I was a young twentysomething starting my early career when Baldur's Gate first came out.)

Things like -

which creatures can only be hit by magic weapons;

thieves and mages have to avoid direct combat like the plague, and if you're a mage, attempting hand to hand combat means dying (you might as well stab yourself with your own dagger);
 
if you get poisoned, drink an antidote or have a cleric cast Slow Poison immediately or you die within the next two rounds;
 
Hold Person is the same as Die, Person if it works;

mage spells like Sleep, Fireball, and Emotion:Hopeless are the hydrogen bombs of lower-level play - but once you cast it for the day, you're useless until the next rest period, so choose your timing carefully;

dragons are the Death Stars of D&D; nine times out of ten, when you encounter one, you appease it through conversation or you RUN; you do not engage a dragon in combat unless you're 100th level, have billions of dollars of magic equipment ready to go, and you know exactly what you're doing because you've analyzed "R2D2's secret plans";

Raise Dead is great after combat is won, but not so great during, since the raisee reenters life with exactly one hitpoint ("I'm alive again! AAAAACCCKGURGLE... <dead>);

exactly which several dozen spells sound great on paper and are absolutely useless in combat;

exactly which half dozen or so spells sound absolutely useless on paper and without which your whole party is going to die the first time they encounter an enemy spellcaster;

etc., etc.

I came into the game right out the starting gate with knowledge of these kinds of things, and I suspect that most players who love the game also had such taken-for-granted metagame knowledge from having played tabletop with their friends before computer technology would support having almost the same experience against an AI.

So I am finding it quite interesting to hear the frustrations of somebody who apparently doesn't have prior experience. He is making me think, you know, how would you know if you didn't already know? That could indeed make the game so frustrating that a person without a D&D background would not want to play it very far. Constant failure can be very exhausting. ("I want to like this, I can see that it would be cool if I could succeed, but Crap, man! It keeps making me feel like i"m being punished over and over and never rewarded, i.e. no fun!")

[Blastback]

Okay, some advice. Do some snooping at the Copper Cornet. There's an easy quest there.

[Corto81]

If you want, I can link you probably the best guide/walkthrough there is available.

It would spoil certain parts of the story, but you wouldn't miss out on some great items and you'd have an overview of companions to get and what gear to use on whom.

[PicklePepperPiper]

Cowboy_christo wrote...

Matuse wrote...

After about the 500th time she says "Faster than Chiktika Fastpaws", I want to smash her face with a brick. It's not her voice, or her comparison with what I believe to be a raccoon deity, it's that she says "Fast" twice in the same sentence. Couldn't it be "Quicker than..." is that so much to ask?

Only 500th? Better than anomen, i wanted to punch him in the face the first time he talked to me lol.

Now time to finish my bg1 playtrough as this thread makes me want to play bg2 lol.

I personally can't stand Nalia's "For the Neeeeeedy!!!".

[Azione]

This was may be the hardest of games for me to underdstand. The only RPGs i've done were Diablo 1,2 and a bunch of Snes JRPG. Just doesn't work for me, the level of frustration were very high. All the time i die, failed the picklokings, my companions march away, i walk errand for all the places...

But i love it in the same time!! THIS was a Role playing game, so the process of the mind can't be the same for others kind of games. Baldur's Gate will always be part of a learning process for me.

And for me to understand this game i have to thanks Icewind Dale, it was a more light for unexperienced players and make the learning for me to this type of game. Besides, Icewind dale 1 and 2 have the greatets of all portraits and a realy sweet atmosphere.

If you have problems and feel lost wit Baldur's Gate i recommend you to try out the Iicewind Dale games first. After finish the first you will feel ready.

ps: I really can't stand Minsc!!

[morbidest2]

PicklePepperPiper wrote...

Cowboy_christo wrote...

Matuse wrote...

After about the 500th time she says "Faster than Chiktika Fastpaws", I want to smash her face with a brick. It's not her voice, or her comparison with what I believe to be a raccoon deity, it's that she says "Fast" twice in the same sentence. Couldn't it be "Quicker than..." is that so much to ask?

Only 500th? Better than anomen, i wanted to punch him in the face the first time he talked to me lol.

Now time to finish my bg1 playtrough as this thread makes me want to play bg2 lol.

I personally can't stand Nalia's "For the Neeeeeedy!!!".

But I much prefer Nalia's "In my father's name" warcry to Airhead's indignant "I won't let you hurt my friends". Also that dualed Nalia will always be a better archmage in ToB than multi Aerie.

[Ishad Nha]

"Also that dualed Nalia will always be a better archmage in ToB than multi Aerie."
Thanks to the Level 1 NPCs Mod you can make Aerie single class, I chose to make her a Sorceror. In ToB she is brilliantly effective.

[zsom]

Ahh.. BG2. Best game in the world. (ok, second to BG1)
Also if you are still playing don't forget to save Viconia. Best character on the Sword Coast. Period.

[Wolfborn Son]

I hope you're still playing. The Baldur's Gate series can be brutal as hell, even if you know what you're doing, but its worth it.

[BelgarathMTH]

Yeah, I reallly don['t think that there's much point bumping or necromancing this thread again unless Foolsfolly himself shows up and resurrects it.

To all appearances, he gave up on Baldur's Gate as too hard for him and/or no fun for him over a month ago.

[Redcoat]

zsom wrote...

Ahh.. BG2. Best game in the world. (ok, second to BG1)
Also if you are still playing don't forget to save Viconia. Best character on the Sword Coast. Period.

Save her? I just decided to beat her to death with my fists! Much more satisfying!

As for Aerie, here's what I did: Played through her romance arc into Throne of Bhaal. Convinced her that I loved her, helped her to turn her life around...and then when I got her pregnant, I told her to "take a hike, mommy," at which point she left in tears. "Oh, well she can go back to Quayle in the circus, at least!" you might say. Well, she can't do that BECAUSE I MURDERED HIM!

Say what you will about later BioWare RPGs, I don't think they let you stoop to quite such levels of base cruelty as BG2.

[Darth Mikkon]

Saw this thread and said "I gotta see this..." Spent SOOO many hours with BG2 and Throne of Baal, I even went so far as to hack the programmed manifest so I could have an unbroken female/female relationship with Jaheira (ShadowKeeper was the program; you can probably still find it). One of the best games ever, so diverse in what you can do.

Redcoat: "Say what you will about later BioWare RPGs, I don't think they let you stoop to quite such levels of base cruelty as BG2."--I totally agree. I never quite played a game where my character could be so diabolically evil