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[Rebecca Black likes DA2]

^ awesome chart by xkg

http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/

http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/

http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/

Week 7 USA
PC- 2,104
360- 5,908
PS3- 4,362

Week 8 USA
PC- 1,279
360- 4,759
PS3- 3,777

Ouch.

Modifié par Rebecca Black likes DA2, 06 mai 2011 - 05:17 .

[LeBurns]

Comparing units sold when the price is being dropped doesn't give a real fair comparison, but still, not overall surprising.

[meteorswarm]

OMG,bioware may be destroyed by EA...

[xkg]

Rebecca Black likes DA2 wrote...


But who cares about Europe, let's look at the good old USA.

Rebecca Black likes DA2 wrote...
http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/

http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/

http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/

At least make real hyperlinks, or let somoene else make such thread. It seems you dont have idea how to do it.

Modifié par xkg, 28 avril 2011 - 01:50 .

[Steppenwolf]

I just hope that Bioware takes the hint and realizes that Dragon Age 2 just isn't as good as Origins and does something about it. I won't get all hyperbolic and act like DA2 is a terrible, unplayable game. But it is clearly a very rushed, very incomplete game that should have had a much longer development cycle and more creative integrity. If the completely random encounters(oh hey, another groups of thugs that kills people for no reason in the dead of night), reused and recycled areas, and repeated plot points were removed you would have a 12-15 hour game. It's very sad that this is what Bioware's new standards are.

[Ostagar2011]

LeBurns wrote...

Comparing units sold when the price is being dropped doesn't give a real fair comparison, but still, not overall surprising.

Exactly. We now have many markets with prices a third lower compared to launch, and/or a free Mass Effect 2. I was actually expecting sales to rise this week on the back of that. It seems gamers are not that easily fooled, even with the might of the EA hype machine in full swing.

Next question - does anyone think BIoWare will draw the "right" conclusions from this, or will they be guided by the same counsel who pushed them into this Call of Duty meets Baldur's Gate 2 mess? (edit - this is a rhetorical question).

[Sabriana]

*looks at OP join-date*
*looks at username*
*reads "who cares about Europe?"*

*leaves*

[AkiKishi]

xkg wrote...

Rebecca Black likes DA2 wrote...

http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/


http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/

 
http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/

At least make real hyperlinks, or let somoene else make such thread. It seems you dont have idea how to do it.

You could have just fixed them in your edit.

[abaris]

Ostagar2011 wrote...

Next question - does anyone think BIoWare will draw the "right" conclusions from this, or will they be guided by the same counsel who pushed them into this Call of Duty meets Baldur's Gate 2 mess? (edit - this is a rhetorical question).

Before they draw the "right" conclusions, they probably shut the whole series down. In my opinion it wouldn't be a great loss if the alternative was what number 2 offered.

I'm pretty sure that's what it comes to, since turning back has been said to be a no go and embarking on a new experiment seems like a no go with an exclamation mark.

[simonc4175]

Unless they have access to every checkout operators till who scanned and sold a copy then those charts and mainly guess work.

Where do they get there data from, how reliable is it etc.

Only Bioware and EA will actually the know the real amount of units sold.

[abaris]

simonc4175 wrote...

Only Bioware and EA will actually the know the real amount of units sold.

But if they were significantly higher than the featured figures, EA and Bioware would fire press release after press release to prove them wrong.

[xkg]

simonc4175 wrote...

Only Bioware and EA will actually the know the real amount of units sold.

I didn't know that. Thanks for info.

Modifié par xkg, 28 avril 2011 - 02:30 .

[simonc4175]

abaris wrote...

simonc4175 wrote...

Only Bioware and EA will actually the know the real amount of units sold.

But if they were significantly higher than the featured figures, EA and Bioware would fire press release after press release to prove them wrong.

Anyone with basic CSS/HTML knowledge can produce a nice looking website and claim what they say is the "truth".

People should actually want this game be a sucess as more and more developers are backing out from producing games for the PC.

If PC game sales decline that it's entirely possible that Bioware won't release PC titles in the future.

The chances are DA2 has a high piracy rate as most newly released games do.

Persoanlly I'd like to see other developers do PC releases but if the "haters" want to see a game fail then that's their perogitive.

Modifié par simonc4175, 28 avril 2011 - 02:32 .

[ConnorHawke]

While I certainly appreciate the diverse opinions around here, I think the clear and obvious consensus is staring Bioware in the face.

On the strength of DA:O, people rushed out to buy DA:2. A huge backlash and below AA score clearly communicated that this game simply wasn't as good as the first in some significant ways.

What I hope is not lost on Bioware, is that, the problems with DA:2 cannot be fixed with small tweaks. They made a fundamentally different game. Now they must fundamentally rethink that approach.

[abaris]

simonc4175 wrote...


People should actually want this game be a sucess as more and more developers are backing out from producing games for the PC.

If PC game sales decline that it's entirely possible that Bioware won't release PC titles in the future.

So?

I'm not judging anyone liking this game, but I don't like it. If that's the new standard, why would I want it to be a success? I wouldn't buy these games anyway.

[Valcutio]

I just hope they learn from this. Gamers aren't as stupid as they assumed.

[simonc4175]

ConnorHawke wrote...

While I certainly appreciate the diverse opinions around here, I think the clear and obvious consensus is staring Bioware in the face.

On the strength of DA:O, people rushed out to buy DA:2. A huge backlash and below AA score clearly communicated that this game simply wasn't as good as the first in some significant ways.

What I hope is not lost on Bioware, is that, the problems with DA:2 cannot be fixed with small tweaks. They made a fundamentally different game. Now they must fundamentally rethink that approach.

The DA2 demo was released weeks before the final game was published.  Everyone had the chance to see the changes which had been made to DA:2.

There is no real excuse for the people who tried the demo to post unconstructive critism.

If people didn't try the demo they only have themselves to blame as that is why is was released so people could see the changes made.

Modifié par simonc4175, 28 avril 2011 - 02:47 .

[Nightshade IX]

These are pretty sad sale figures but if there is a game company to learn from its mistakes, it would be Bioware. I just hope they don't axe the series completely.

[KennethAFTopp]

simonc4175 wrote...

ConnorHawke wrote...

While I certainly appreciate the diverse opinions around here, I think the clear and obvious consensus is staring Bioware in the face.

On the strength of DA:O, people rushed out to buy DA:2. A huge backlash and below AA score clearly communicated that this game simply wasn't as good as the first in some significant ways.

What I hope is not lost on Bioware, is that, the problems with DA:2 cannot be fixed with small tweaks. They made a fundamentally different game. Now they must fundamentally rethink that approach.

The DA2 demo was released weeks before the final game was published.  Everyone had the chance to see the changes which had been made to DA:2.

There is no real excuse for the people who tried the demo to post unconstructive critism.

If people didn't try the demo they only have themselves to blame as that is why is was released so people could see the changes made.

though the demo did not show the significant flaws of the game though. Apart from the horrible beginning.

[Aaleel]

simonc4175 wrote...

ConnorHawke wrote...

While I certainly appreciate the diverse opinions around here, I think the clear and obvious consensus is staring Bioware in the face.

On the strength of DA:O, people rushed out to buy DA:2. A huge backlash and below AA score clearly communicated that this game simply wasn't as good as the first in some significant ways.

What I hope is not lost on Bioware, is that, the problems with DA:2 cannot be fixed with small tweaks. They made a fundamentally different game. Now they must fundamentally rethink that approach.

The DA2 demo was released weeks before the final game was published.  Everyone had the chance to see the changes which had been made to DA:2.

There is no real excuse for the people who tried the demo to post unconstructive critism.

If people didn't try the demo they only have themselves to blame as that is why is was released so people could see the changes made.

This is a horrible argument.  The demo does not have any of the story in it.  The demo didn't show you would be running around the same areas over and over all game.  The demo didn't have enemies falling out the sky.  If the combat is the ONLY reason you dislike the game, then fine it's on you.  But combat was all the demo showed.

[simonc4175]

Aaleel wrote...

This is a horrible argument.  The demo does not have any of the story in it.  The demo didn't show you would be running around the same areas over and over all game.  The demo didn't have enemies falling out the sky.  If the combat is the ONLY reason you dislike the game, then fine it's on you.  But combat was all the demo showed.

From the game FAQ:

• 
  Where does Dragon Age 2 take place?
  Dragon Age 2 is set in the Free Marches, with much of the plot
  focused on the city of Kirkwall, an ancient port city that was once the
  center of the global slave trade.

The demo also showed the new dialog wheel system and the voiced protaginist.

There was plenty of information available in the gaming magazines prior to relase.

Modifié par simonc4175, 28 avril 2011 - 02:59 .

[Aaleel]

simonc4175 wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

This is a horrible argument.  The demo does not have any of the story in it.  The demo didn't show you would be running around the same areas over and over all game.  The demo didn't have enemies falling out the sky.  If the combat is the ONLY reason you dislike the game, then fine it's on you.  But combat was all the demo showed.

From the game FAQ:

• 
  Where does Dragon Age 2 take place?
  Dragon Age 2 is set in the Free Marches, with much of the plot
  focused on the city of Kirkwall, an ancient port city that was once the
  center of the global slave trade.

The demo also showed the new dialog wheel system and the voiced protaginist.

There was plenty of information available in the gaming magazines prior to relase.

[*]First off you said the demo, which didn't show anything other than combat for the most part to appeal to crowd they were going after.
[*]As far a magazines, do you mean the hand picked magazines they let review the games that gave it 94, 96, or 100 as scores?
[*]Nowhere did I see that the game only had a handful of unique maps that I would seen all of 1/3 of the way though the game.  Nowhere did I see that I would be attacked by gangs continuiosly, or that enemies would fall from the sky or through ceilings.
[*]Nowhere did I see that the city or anything wouldn't change throughout the entire 10 years they told me this game would take place over
[*]Nowhere did I see that story would be this disjointed.
[*]If you can find articles or interviews where this is shown, feel free to post links.

Modifié par Aaleel, 28 avril 2011 - 03:08 .

[ConnorHawke]

Aaleel wrote...

simonc4175 wrote...

ConnorHawke wrote...

While I certainly appreciate the diverse opinions around here, I think the clear and obvious consensus is staring Bioware in the face.

On the strength of DA:O, people rushed out to buy DA:2. A huge backlash and below AA score clearly communicated that this game simply wasn't as good as the first in some significant ways.

What I hope is not lost on Bioware, is that, the problems with DA:2 cannot be fixed with small tweaks. They made a fundamentally different game. Now they must fundamentally rethink that approach.

The DA2 demo was released weeks before the final game was published.  Everyone had the chance to see the changes which had been made to DA:2.

There is no real excuse for the people who tried the demo to post unconstructive critism.

If people didn't try the demo they only have themselves to blame as that is why is was released so people could see the changes made.

This is a horrible argument.  The demo does not have any of the story in it.  The demo didn't show you would be running around the same areas over and over all game.  The demo didn't have enemies falling out the sky.  If the combat is the ONLY reason you dislike the game, then fine it's on you.  But combat was all the demo showed.

Exactly. I played most of the demo and was certainly suspicious, but had no idea that there would be a tremendous reliance on reused areas, a story that trivialized my involvement, a story that was built on mage discrimination yet ignored the fact I was a mage, endless fetch quests that were triggered with almost no details or meaningful context, parachuting enemies and an empty, lifeless, unmemorable city as the primary location.....

Does anyone really think that any of the new cast are as memorable or popular as Morrigan, Allistair and even Leilana? Good God, there are Allistair fan clubs and I saw someone in a homemade Morrigan t-shirt last week.

None of this could be fairly gleaned from the Demo. Everyone is entitled to their opinion...but I think the general sales outlook is the proof in the pudding in terms of the fan consensus.