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[Everwarden]

Corto81 wrote...
DA2, on the other hand, had a strong start BECAUSE of the original game, but failed to deliver, and the sales dropped very quickly. And I don't see how they'll recover either.

They won't recover. Sales typically don't pick back up once they nosedive and slam into the ground like DA2 did.

The question is, what lesson will Bioware take from this? I'm betting Laidlaw will think that he needs to make the game even dumber, faster, and more 'bu'on awesome'. 

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Everwarden wrote...

Corto81 wrote...
DA2, on the other hand, had a strong start BECAUSE of the original game, but failed to deliver, and the sales dropped very quickly. And I don't see how they'll recover either.

They won't recover. Sales typically don't pick back up once they nosedive and slam into the ground like DA2 did.

The question is, what lesson will Bioware take from this? I'm betting Laidlaw will think that he needs to make the game even dumber, faster, and more 'bu'on awesome'. 

I can easily envision a scenario in which DA3 is reviewed as "the game DA2 should have been" and interest picks back up.  I'm reading a pretty substantial divide between people who dislike the shortcuts in design and people who are displeased with the departure from DA:O gameplay overall. 

Even if they were to produce the "perfect" action RPG, however, they'd still have to do a lot of good PR work on the front end with review sites and everything else.  The only thing that could get them back on track is a genuinely excellent game that reviewers and lots of gamers love aside from marketing hype.  Word of mouth is going to be huge on this one.

[ChengChung]

Everwarden wrote...

Corto81 wrote...
DA2, on the other hand, had a strong start BECAUSE of the original game, but failed to deliver, and the sales dropped very quickly. And I don't see how they'll recover either.

They won't recover. Sales typically don't pick back up once they nosedive and slam into the ground like DA2 did.

The question is, what lesson will Bioware take from this? I'm betting Laidlaw will think that he needs to make the game even dumber, faster, and more 'bu'on awesome'. 

When DAO released, it encountered CoD: MW2. Then they wanted DA2 has CoD fans.
And when DA2 released, it encountered Pokémon......

[MyKingdomCold]

hey, I just wanted to say thank you for these topics updating me on the sales of this game.

I'm on the fence of whether or not I should sell my shares of EA stock.

[Dark83]

Hey ! Don't insult my pokeymans!

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MyKingdomCold wrote...

hey, I just wanted to say thank you for these topics updating me on the sales of this game.

I'm on the fence of whether or not I should sell my shares of EA stock.

You're a stockholder--you shouldn't be coming to this wretched hive of scum and villainy for sales info.  Swagger into the EA offices and use your position to get the numbers from your obedient, humble servants at the corporation.

[MyKingdomCold]

I'm not a stockholder. I was just being sarcastic. I don't see the point of posting sales figures or paying attention to sales figures unless you have some vested interest in the company. Or I guess I would pay closer attention to sales figures if we find out that this was the last Dragon Age game because it failed to deliver in terms of sales expectations, so they decided to scrap the series and start something new. Until then, I couldn't care less about sales figures.

Oh, on another note somewhat related, I guess Kinect sales are through the roof on the Xbox 360! So let's make the next game Kinect compatible so it'll be guaranteed to sell!

[Paeyne]

David Gaider wrote...

Not to suggest anything beyond this, but if one is going to compare the sales of the two games one might also wish to take into account the fact that Origins was released shortly before Christmas. Beyond that, whatever extrapolations you wish to make are up to you.

This is, of course, very true.  It does, however, beg the question as to why "the powers that be" did not wait till November to release DA2?  It is reasonable to assume that the game's sales would have been more robust during the Christmas season and, no matter what individual opinion of the game might be, I think DA2 would have only benefitted by an additional six months of development time.

[ConnorHawke]

Look, part of what David is obviously saying is: "our own counsel will we keep" on what makes a game great and what constitutes success for Bioware. If anyone has the right to say that, obviously it's the smart folks at Bioware. Ultimately, it's true that it is entirely their business to distill fan reaction and reconcile it with their artistic vision and marketing analysis to determine how to create their games.

It's also true that fan taste is a tricky sort of thing: some elements that are altogether meaningful to "expert" fans may not necessarily be market drivers. Are Big Macs "better" than caviar? Bioware would obviously be ill-advised to run after fans and simply give people exactly what they ask for, even me! No, being a creator means that the illusion they are crafting will not be successful if they give the audience - any audience - exactly what it thinks it wants. That way lies banality.

But I guess, as one fan's word of caution: I wouldn't underestimate the market value of your (Bioware's) identity as an innovator and high-end, quality-obsessed creator. Nor would I underestimate the value of top-enders - discerning customers who tend to have more stable income, be less susceptible to market trends and open to more kinds of artistic explorations (game novels and such). It's hard and costly to court top-enders - and lets be honest - EA isn't known for doing so. (Nothing wrong with that!)

[Jerrybnsn]

Everwarden wrote...

The question is, what lesson will Bioware take from this? I'm betting Laidlaw will think that he needs to make the game even dumber, faster, and more 'bu'on awesome'. 

Nothing that bigger boobs and more gore can't fix.

[nopho]

MyKingdomCold wrote...

I'm not a stockholder. I was just being sarcastic. I don't see the point of posting sales figures or paying attention to sales figures unless you have some vested interest in the company. Or I guess I would pay closer attention to sales figures if we find out that this was the last Dragon Age game because it failed to deliver in terms of sales expectations, so they decided to scrap the series and start something new. Until then, I couldn't care less about sales figures.

Oh, on another note somewhat related, I guess Kinect sales are through the roof on the Xbox 360! So let's make the next game Kinect compatible so it'll be guaranteed to sell!

well i do have.
for many reasons, first to see if my big WTF-moment when i finished the game is/was shared by others. and those shows through sales figures, as people, me included tend to warn people about games they didn't like

second, i am very interested in how all this will develop, how bioware will react on it and when. will EA give a word? was the game a success in biowares book? and those figures are a part of that.

third i am interested in the genre at all, if DA2 happens to be a big success it might be the apocalyptic beginning of the end of rpg's how i know them. no but seriously, bioware is a name in the business, if they make major money with a game with just 1.5years (1.2?) of development time while turning more to action and less to in game depth than this would very very very likely make other deveopers do the same. or at least make bioware and thus a potential DA3. and bear in mind, biowares competition will see the same numbers, if they think vgcharts is reliable or not, i do not know, but chances are they have no better source of information.


p.s. coming to the sales figures thread just to tell people you do not care about the sales figures is...well..you know.

[88mphSlayer]

LeBurns wrote...

Comparing units sold when the price is being dropped doesn't give a real fair comparison, but still, not overall surprising.

prices were dropped on DAO by week 2 anyways so it's fair

DA2 has no legs

[Paeyne]

DraCZeQQ wrote...

I think that DA2 is Awesome! And its really sad that other people cant see it ...

There are many things about DA2 that are amazingly awesome.   There are also things about DA2 that are not so awesome that would have taken very little work to make them awesome.  There are also things about DA2 that, in my opinion, are just plain cheap and shoddy work.

There is much about DA2 I like but that does not blind me to its flaws.

In many ways Bioware is a victim of their own success.  Many of us walked into DA2 with expectations of design that were not met and expectations of quality from Bioware that was not present.

I cannot even begin to imagine the reasons for this.  I was not involved in the process of DA2's production and all the reasons people give on these forums are complete speculation.

I am disappointed for the lack of success of DA2 and wish Bioware no ill-will as some on these boards might, but that does not mean I am the least bit surprised. 

[Jerrybnsn]

MyKingdomCold wrote...

I'm on the fence of whether or not I should sell my shares of EA stock.

Don't sell your EA stock.  EA has bought and shutdown bigger companies than Bioware. It's how they decrease their competition while picking up the rights to their games.

[Darkhour]

88mphSlayer wrote...

LeBurns wrote...

Comparing units sold when the price is being dropped doesn't give a real fair comparison, but still, not overall surprising.

prices were dropped on DAO by week 2 anyways so it's fair

Bull****... just sayin.

[Elhanan]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Nothing that bigger boobs and more gore can't fix.

If you were intending to fix this thread, you forgot the gore....

[abaris]

ConnorHawke wrote...

It's also true that fan taste is a tricky sort of thing: some elements that are altogether meaningful to "expert" fans may not necessarily be market drivers. Are Big Macs "better" than caviar?

To make Big Macs a success, you have to sell a whole lot of them. Just saying, and picking up your example, since its rather fitting. They are after all trying to capture the Big Mac market - but with a lot of cheese.

[Sabriana]

Paeyne wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Not to suggest anything beyond this, but if one is going to compare the sales of the two games one might also wish to take into account the fact that Origins was released shortly before Christmas. Beyond that, whatever extrapolations you wish to make are up to you.

This is, of course, very true.  It does, however, beg the question as to why "the powers that be" did not wait till November to release DA2?  It is reasonable to assume that the game's sales would have been more robust during the Christmas season and, no matter what individual opinion of the game might be, I think DA2 would have only benefitted by an additional six months of development time.

It might have benefitted by an additional 6 month. However, it would also have to stand against the Juggernaut that is Skyrim,  or, although not a juggernaut, Arkham City for example. DA:O managed just fine competing against other popular titles, but would DA 2 be able to? Even with an additional 6 month. I don't know.

I'm not saying it wouldn't, but it could have made things very difficult.

Edited to add:

And let's not forget about their own "in-house" competion, ME 3, which promises to be a force of its own.

Modifié par Sabriana, 29 avril 2011 - 08:19 .

[abaris]

Sabriana wrote...


It might have benefitted by an additional 6 month. However, it would also have to stand against the Juggernaut that is Skyrim,  or, although not a juggernaut, Arkham City for example.

Whenever that is mentioned I keep wondering where you get the confidence in Skyrim being what you expect it to be. All there is are a few screenshots and what the developers say. They might still pull a similiar ripoff. I've heard my share of tall tales of any given developer about their future games. The finished products were more than once the proverbial served hot and steamy on a silver platter.

[Aaleel]

Wasn't Mass effect 2 released at the end of January, and that sold pretty well if I remember correctly.

Can we please just drop this holiday season nonsense, and just admit people didn't think the product was worth their money?

[Elhanan]

Aaleel wrote...

Wasn't Mass effect 2 released at the end of January, and that sold pretty well if I remember correctly.

Can we please just drop this holiday season nonsense, and just admit people didn't think the product was worth their money?

*And with clear and self-decisive insight, other factors were simply ignored in the push foward for opionated domination*

no?

[Gvaz]

Sabriana wrote...

*looks at OP join-date*
*looks at username*
*reads "who cares about Europe?"*

*leaves*

Haha you care about these pointless things

[Sabriana]

abaris wrote...

Sabriana wrote...


It might have benefitted by an additional 6 month. However, it would also have to stand against the Juggernaut that is Skyrim,  or, although not a juggernaut, Arkham City for example.

Whenever that is mentioned I keep wondering where you get the confidence in Skyrim being what you expect it to be. All there is are a few screenshots and what the developers say. They might still pull a similiar ripoff. I've heard my share of tall tales of any given developer about their future games. The finished products were more than once the proverbial served hot and steamy on a silver platter.

TES is a force to be reckoned with. It will give any other company a run for its money. Personally, I won't touch it until I've researched it thoroughly. But it is still a highly anticipated game any way you look at it. It's not an unknown entity, it's a well established IP. Any which way, we can speak again when it releases. It will draw a multitude of gamers, simply because it is part of TES.

It certainly has my interest. I'll be watching it closely. I can't afford to throw money around, and if pressed, I would definitely judge DA 2 against Skyrim. And then buy the one that would give me the most for my money. Furthermore, I think I would choose Skyrim. As soon as the modders/tech-support ironed out the inevitable Bethsoft bugs.

Please do not take me for an idiot. I know the creators/publishers of games, and I know what to expect. Well, usually. I did make a fool of myself this time around.

[gastovski]

i'm still trying to figure the awesome button function.

[Foolsfolly]

Droma wrote...

yeah but these retailers are just stupid. it's honorable to try to warn someone of a certain product, but you don't do that like "this sucks and everyone hates it", that's just stupid. they can say this a common complains about the game and this and that is good or something like that, but just because they themself disliked the game doesn't mean everyone else also must hate the game. just retarded imo. maybe your stepfather would have liked it, but he will never know if he doesn't play it himself.

retailers who tell people not to buy stuff, because they themself dislike the product should be fired. you can warn people about this and that and be honest but never generalize your own opinion.

Fired for their opinion? Yeah, that's illegal.

If I worked at a game store I'd give my opinions to anyone who asks. They ask me "Hey, how's Dragon Age 2?" I'd tell them frankly, "Meh. I'd wait until the bargain bin. Once it hits bargain bin they'll have another patch out and maybe some substancal DLC."

I bought the game brand new on its first hour. I wish I didn't. It's overpriced for a crazily bugged mediocre game.