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[Elhanan]

*reads some of the prior posts*

Me thinks I see a reason why folks are staying away....

[Elhanan]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

It's pretty common knowledge that only a very, very small fraction of gamers ever visit a game's forums. And those that do are a vocal group that won't be scared away because of anything they read. Those people (you, me and everyone here) have an opinion and valid points and want them to be heard.

No amount of forum discivility will shy them away. Give gamers more credit than that.

And these forums are pretty active compared to other game forums.

Well I tried Raid, but my monitor got sticky. Voicing my willingness for them to silence or shoo is the best I got. So I dood it.

[astrallite]

Vocal minority complaining to Bioware?...I have yet to see any forum online that has an overall positive opinion of DA2.

[astrallite]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

astrallite wrote...

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

astrallite wrote...

Shelving a product for 9 months means no cash flow. That makes no sense. Bioware isn't filling their coffers with a MMO in the background or have insane cash reserves.

This post shows how little the average person actually knows concerning the video game industry. Spouting off nonsense as if it was in fact... a fact.

Here's the real truth. BioWare has been making games for close to 20 years. In those years they have had successful hit after successful hit. In the last few years the notable hits being; Mass Effect 1, Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age: Origins, and Jade Empire. They are also backed by an industry giant, EA.

At the ends of the day... they have the money to make great games. They just are showing us that they either don't care about their glory days of producing great games, their reputations, or the customer. So what we are seeing right now is a decline in quality either attributed to their talent pool, this is where most fingers are pointing (looking at you Mike Laidlaw and Yaron Jacobs) OR the company is no longer in control of the games that they are developing, which is also quite possible but the later scenario is the most worrying if true.

And some of you might be saying to yourselves... "Who is Yaron Jacobs?" And the answer is; He is the guy who is responsible for the reused maps and the empty, uninteresting, and unchanging town of Kirkwall. He is the lead level designer who forgot that as time passes environments change (like 10 years pass and you will find the same people standing in the same spots, NOTHING changes in 10 years...) and that RPG players aren't stupid and will notice when a map is reused over and over and over again.

This post shows how little you know about business. They made money so they should have money to burn and sit on a product for 9 months? Public companies have to deal with quarterly reports and shareholders.

I know little about the video game history? You are right, I know very little. Nothing in your post indicates you know any more--sprouting off nonsense about "glory?". What was the point of your statement? 12 year olds are getting good at trolling these days. Concession accepted.

I humbly accept your concession. Business 101 - Money from sales = Money for development. The 20 year link in the chain of success guarantees this as a truth when it concerns industry giants like BioWare and EA. When the combined companies have a shared interest and investment in a project it should be allowed extra resources because the combined interested companies have more than exceeded in their yearly gross income.

Also I would like to congratulate you on being the first person in the discussion to start making wild accusations and calling names. It only shows immaturity, arrogance and ignorance. You only aim to discredit yourself when you take such actions. Obviously I am not 12, and 9 months is not a long time to sit on a project when they are still netting income from the first game. As well as previous projects.

I would respond but intelligence level you've displayed so far isn't worth acknowledging.

[Elhanan]

astrallite wrote...

Vocal minority complaining to Bioware?...I have yet to see any forum online that has an overall positive opinion of DA2.

Could be indicative of the environs one tends to visit.

[astrallite]

Elhanan wrote...

astrallite wrote...

Vocal minority complaining to Bioware?...I have yet to see any forum online that has an overall positive opinion of DA2.

Could be indicative of the environs one tends to visit.

So what forum is gushing about DA2?

[Sabriana]

Night Prowler76 wrote...

I care for Europeans, those accents just make me melt :>

How sweet. This European thanks you

[Elhanan]

astrallite wrote...

So what forum is gushing about DA2?

Sooo tempted to reply "Others?", but not all here are Haters. And while I do not seek a new watering hole, I would not try and seek one where all are drinking the same Kool-Aid anyway, no matter the POV. I have seen this happen often enough with news programming.

[addiction21]

astrallite wrote...

Vocal minority complaining to Bioware?...I have yet to see any forum online that has an overall positive opinion of DA2.

SHow me a video game forum that is positive in general... good luck.

[Phazor58]

addiction21 wrote...

astrallite wrote...

Vocal minority complaining to Bioware?...I have yet to see any forum online that has an overall positive opinion of DA2.

SHow me a video game forum that is positive in general... good luck.

http://www.gamefaqs....assins-of-kings

Lol?

Modifié par Phazor58, 30 avril 2011 - 07:52 .

[Elhanan]

Phazor58 wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

astrallite wrote...

Vocal minority complaining to Bioware?...I have yet to see any forum online that has an overall positive opinion of DA2.

SHow me a video game forum that is positive in general... good luck.

http://www.gamefaqs....assins-of-kings

Lol?

Thanks for that; helped me fin this (oops; wrong link):

http://www.gamefaqs....8-dragon-age-ii

Based on the averages overall, these reviews are much in line with my own perceptions. However, there do seem to be heavily biased critics there too, so keep your jacket on in case of eggs.

Modifié par Elhanan, 30 avril 2011 - 08:26 .

[Sabriana]

We can sit here all day long and post different links. Like this:

www.gamerankings.com/xbox360/988966-dragon-age-ii/index.html

(XBox only)

However, I don't think that DA:O will ever rank worse than DA 2. Perhaps here and there, but on the whole, it is a completely different game, imo.

Oh. Before I forget:


Proud DA:O Fangirl <3:wub:<3

[DraCZeQQ]

Phazor58 wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

astrallite wrote...
Vocal minority complaining to Bioware?...I have yet to see any forum online that has an overall positive opinion of DA2.

SHow me a video game forum that is positive in general... good luck.

http://www.gamefaqs....assins-of-kings
Lol?

Oh just found topic with PC Gamer Format review ... that magazine is pure joke, such a sell outs =) but love this one particular comment

PC gamer is totally biased, I mean if they rated Sidequest age 2: The walls of Kirkwall and nothing but Kirkwall with reused maps edition higher than this...there is something clearly wrong here.

Modifié par DraCZeQQ, 30 avril 2011 - 09:06 .

[Phazor58]

DraCZeQQ wrote...

Phazor58 wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

astrallite wrote...
Vocal minority complaining to Bioware?...I have yet to see any forum online that has an overall positive opinion of DA2.

SHow me a video game forum that is positive in general... good luck.

http://www.gamefaqs....assins-of-kings
Lol?

Oh just found topic with PC Gamer Format review ... that magazine is pure joke, such a sell outs =) but love this one particular comment

PC gamer is totally biased, I mean if they rated Sidequest age 2: The walls of Kirkwall and nothing but Kirkwall with reused maps edition higher than this...there is something clearly wrong here.

Heh.  They were also clearly rating the preview version of the game.  They mentioned bugs that would be fixed in the full version (they themselves said it would be fixed in the full version), but then they took points off the score because of those bugs.

[DraCZeQQ]

Phazor58 wrote...

DraCZeQQ wrote...

Phazor58 wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

astrallite wrote...
Vocal minority complaining to Bioware?...I have yet to see any forum online that has an overall positive opinion of DA2.

SHow me a video game forum that is positive in general... good luck.

http://www.gamefaqs....assins-of-kings
Lol?

Oh just found topic with PC Gamer Format review ... that magazine is pure joke, such a sell outs =) but love this one particular comment

PC gamer is totally biased, I mean if they rated Sidequest age 2: The walls of Kirkwall and nothing but Kirkwall with reused maps edition higher than this...there is something clearly wrong here.

Heh.  They were also clearly rating the preview version of the game.  They mentioned bugs that would be fixed in the full version (they themselves said it would be fixed in the full version), but then they took points off the score because of those bugs.

Yea I know, what kind of profesional reviewer working in printed media can even do that ... review a game of an unpolished pre-release testing version ... admit it and even gave marks based on things that are not supposed to be in final version ... thats pure joke

[MrCrabby]

Zeevico wrote...

ConnorHawke wrote...

And if I could ask David Gaider one thing it would be: Why, oh why, have you adopted the IGN, Call of Duty worshipping, oversimplified meme that sophisticated RPG's can't have broad appeal?

The beauty of DA:O was that through tremendous effort and love of detail YOU PROVED THEM WRONG! You won!

Pyrhhic victory. It cost too much time and money to make DAO.

You need to look up what terms actually mean. A pyrrhic victory is when the cost of "winning" is devestaing to the point that it nearly ends you.

[Tommy6860]

Sabriana wrote...

We can sit here all day long and post different links. Like this:

www.gamerankings.com/xbox360/988966-dragon-age-ii/index.html

(XBox only)

However, I don't think that DA:O will ever rank worse than DA 2. Perhaps here and there, but on the whole, it is a completely different game, imo.

Oh. Before I forget:


Proud DA:O Fangirl <3:wub:<3

Try this one:

PC only

Then

360 Only


(I don't think I need to do the PS3)


Even Awakening outshines DA2 in both lists, but reviews are at the subjectivity of the reviewer. Nevertheless, it doesn't say much for DA2.

Modifié par Tommy6860, 30 avril 2011 - 09:57 .

[Wompoo]

simonc4175 wrote...

ConnorHawke wrote...

While I certainly appreciate the diverse opinions around here, I think the clear and obvious consensus is staring Bioware in the face.

On the strength of DA:O, people rushed out to buy DA:2. A huge backlash and below AA score clearly communicated that this game simply wasn't as good as the first in some significant ways.

What I hope is not lost on Bioware, is that, the problems with DA:2 cannot be fixed with small tweaks. They made a fundamentally different game. Now they must fundamentally rethink that approach.

The DA2 demo was released weeks before the final game was published.  Everyone had the chance to see the changes which had been made to DA:2.

There is no real excuse for the people who tried the demo to post unconstructive critism.

If people didn't try the demo they only have themselves to blame as that is why is was released so people could see the changes made.

That is rubbish, as the demo hardly enabled people to make an informed descision. PC game information was lite and controlled and deceptive. People bought the game on trust and that trust was misuded. The only thing holding this game together was the story elements, and even they suffered at the hands of this action game colides with Japanese mininalism and poor unimaginative overly simplified game play.

[Night Prowler76]

SirGladiator wrote...

I think Ray has indicated quite clearly that he understands what fans liked about DAO and didn't like about DA2, and that DA3 will give the fans what they want. These sales figures aren't possible for him, or any other high level fellow at Bioware or EA to ignore. They've taken notice, they've seen DAO is the best selling Bioware game of all time, and DA2 is their worst selling game in a long time. Its not hard to figure out which one DA3 is going to resemble, Ray is going to make sure of that.

It really is sad how bad the sales numbers are, I mean clearly the game isn't as good as DAO but it probably didn't deserve numbers quite 'this' awful. I suppose the most positive way of looking at this for Bioware is that they've still got TOR and ME3 coming out relatively soon, plenty of opportunity to get back on a successful track, get everybody talking about how awesome Bioware games are again, and build momentum for DA3, which no doubt will be the awesome game that DA2 should've been.

When did Ray say that? It actually might make me hopeful if they recognize the problems:>

[Night Prowler76]

Sabriana wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

I care for Europeans, those accents just make me melt :>

How sweet. This European thanks you

:happy:

[abaris]

Wompoo wrote...

That is rubbish, as the demo hardly enabled people to make an informed descision. PC game information was lite and controlled and deceptive. People bought the game on trust and that trust was misuded. The only thing holding this game together was the story elements, and even they suffered at the hands of this action game colides with Japanese mininalism and poor unimaginative overly simplified game play.

Well, I think its a good thing I didn't even like what I saw in the demo. The new combat was enough to turn me off. I took a look at the whole game later on - at a friends - and am still glad, the demo kept me from buying.

[Demon Velsper]

David Gaider wrote...

Not to suggest anything beyond this, but if one is going to compare the sales of the two games one might also wish to take into account the fact that Origins was released shortly before Christmas. Beyond that, whatever extrapolations you wish to make are up to you.

Yeah, sure, keep telling yourself that the only reason for the difference in sales. You do that, princess. I'll bet it hurts less that way.

Modifié par Demon Velsper, 30 avril 2011 - 02:47 .

[cljqnsnyc]

Demon Velsper wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Not to suggest anything beyond this, but if one is going to compare the sales of the two games one might also wish to take into account the fact that Origins was released shortly before Christmas. Beyond that, whatever extrapolations you wish to make are up to you.

Yeah, sure, keep telling yourself that the only reason for the difference in sales. You do that, princess. I'll bet it hurts less that way.

.......Or the fact that DAO didn't have a DAO to serve as a lead in. It had to stand on it's own and speak for itself. If you take away the first 2 weeks of DA2's sales, which are obviously due to DAO's success, what do you have left? Also, the fact that DAO continued to sell AFTER the holidays had past, and at a steady pace. 

David, you wrote the story for DAO! Why would you try to play down the reasons behind it's success, which are obvious? Could it be that DAO was just a superior game compared to DA2 and has fared better because of this reason, regardless of it's release date?  ME2 was a hit......and it was released in January without the benefit of the holidya rush. So the point is what?

Modifié par cljqnsnyc, 30 avril 2011 - 03:33 .

[Volourn]

"the fact that DAO didn't have a DAO to serve as a lead in. It had to stand on it's own and speak for itself. "

Yeah, let's ignore the fact of BIO's history of being a prime game devloper for the past 10+ years. or the massive hype campaign WHICH WAS BASED ON BLOOD, GUTS, AND ACTION not role--playing.

If DA2 is 'lacking sales'; the blame is sequarely on DA1's shoulders. DA1 supposedly sold 3.5-4.5mil copies yet only 400k of those bothered to preorder the sequel. This tells me that while lots of people played DA1 most of them didn't like it enough to get the sequel 9heeck, most of themd din't even bother to finish DA1).

I'm sure you ask why DA1 has higher player ratings than DA2. That's easy to explain. Most of the people who didnt' finish DA1 just move on with their lives so only the people who finished DA1 bothered to rate it. these people are now butthurt over DA2 so now rate it low even though they actually finished DA2 themselves.

See... anyone can spin numbers or 'facts'.

R00fles!