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[Soilborn88]

neppakyo wrote...

erynnar wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

Crysis 2 and Dead Space 2 were good

i just wish they weren't so focused on dethroning Activision and Call of Duty/World of Warcraft... never gonna happen

This^.  *sigh* But will they learn they aren't going to?<_<

They never will. I'm afraid TOR isn't going to do too good against WoW, unless TOR offers very similar gameplay experience to WoW. Hell, I think Guild Wars 2 is gunna trounce TOR, and its no monthly fee.

And by looking at the chart, week 1 moved more units than DA:O, and we ca assume a good chuck of week 1 sales was due to the 400k+ pre-orders. Week 2 DA:O sold more, then DA2 starts to plummet like a bird encased in cement.

Galaxies had a hell of a population before Sony screwed the game up, millions of subscribers actually. I think TOR has a good chance at taking the MMO throne - the WoW community is disgruntled among older players especially who are getting tired of nothing new to do. People are completing new instances in weeks or less, when back in the good ol days it use to take AGES for players to become strong enough to actually complete instances like in the Lich King.

All Blizzard does is add a few new instances every once in a new moon and increases the level cap and make some new items aside from Cataklysm.

There are A LOT of devoted Star Wars fans who I know will play TOR for that reason, and I already have several friends that play WoW and are going to try TOR and possible quit WoW if they have more fun with it.

Long story short, a lot of players are getting tired of having nothing new to do in WoW.

[Nozybidaj]

Soilborn88 wrote...

When you try to appeal to action gamers, and CoD gamers as well as trying to appeal to the RPG crowd this is what happened because Bioware failed at all three.

Know the reason we call them the "CoD gamers"?  Because they want to play CoD!  Big surprise I know. 

If they wanted to play Dragon Age or Mass Effect or some other rpg game we would call them rpg gamers.  But we don't because they don't.  So why make a game for people who don't want to play your game to being with?

[Foolsfolly]

You can appeal to a larger fanbase without churning out a mess.

You just make an easy to learn, hard to master, well done game. FPS's have it somewhat easy. You point the cross-hair on someone and then fire. And that's a large percent of the gameplay mechanics you have to learn.

A tutorial, a small learning noob point in the beginning, and doing your chosen genre well. DA is a RPG series. So a well done RPG with an easy entrance point to the mechanics would go a long way to attract new players.

And a well done RPG would get word of mouth and critics on their side.

Origins wasn't perfect and the gameplay did need to be updated and streamlined (especially that goddamn Warden Shuffle with melee characters). DA2 did some good things with the gameplay but lost depth. I blame the rush job on this. This is an unfinished game in all of its aspects. The gameplay's unfinished, the story's unfinished, the level design's unfinished, it's all unfinished.

[Foolsfolly]

I think TOR has a good chance at taking the MMO throne - the WoW community is disgruntled among older players especially who are getting tired of nothing new to do.

The game's what? 6-7 years old now? I'm of a mind that Blizzard's already moved on to their next MMORPG and that'll be the thing that 'dethrones' WoW. Blizzard's the only developer that can beat Blizzard.

[uberdowzen]

http://www.gamasutra...php?story=18919

It's slightly out of date, but as far I can tell a lot of what it says is still valid.

Modifié par uberdowzen, 03 mai 2011 - 04:36 .

[djackson75]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Soilborn88 wrote...

When you try to appeal to action gamers, and CoD gamers as well as trying to appeal to the RPG crowd this is what happened because Bioware failed at all three.

Know the reason we call them the "CoD gamers"?  Because they want to play CoD!  Big surprise I know. 

If they wanted to play Dragon Age or Mass Effect or some other rpg game we would call them rpg gamers.  But we don't because they don't.  So why make a game for people who don't want to play your game to being with?

What if... and I know this is crazy.. But what if...someone liked FPS's AND RPG's??

What if the same guy that plays Call of Duty.....plays Dragon Age??

[Urazz]

Foolsfolly wrote...

You can appeal to a larger fanbase without churning out a mess.

You just make an easy to learn, hard to master, well done game. FPS's have it somewhat easy. You point the cross-hair on someone and then fire. And that's a large percent of the gameplay mechanics you have to learn.

A tutorial, a small learning noob point in the beginning, and doing your chosen genre well. DA is a RPG series. So a well done RPG with an easy entrance point to the mechanics would go a long way to attract new players.

And a well done RPG would get word of mouth and critics on their side.

Origins wasn't perfect and the gameplay did need to be updated and streamlined (especially that goddamn Warden Shuffle with melee characters). DA2 did some good things with the gameplay but lost depth. I blame the rush job on this. This is an unfinished game in all of its aspects. The gameplay's unfinished, the story's unfinished, the level design's unfinished, it's all unfinished.

Not everything is unfinished, I actually found the gameplay to be quite finished.  Could it have been done better?  Yes, but I still found it a big improvement over DAO's gameplay.

The level designs weren't unfinished either.  That was just Bioware being lazy and reusing the same 7 to 8 dungeon maps instead of making more unique maps to be used.

The only thing I agree that was unfinished was the storylone and it felt more like they rushed Act 3 than anything else.  Acts 1 and 2 were well done I think.

Modifié par Urazz, 03 mai 2011 - 06:00 .

[Peranor]

rolson00 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Siradix wrote...
Is Gaider trying to make us compare it to Awakening? They were both released March.

I'm just saying that if one is looking for data to serve as proof of anything other than confirmation bias, you might want to take more factors into account. I recognize that some folks are going to take any statement by a developer that isn't a mea culpa as some kind of "denial of the truth", but I'd say we're well aware of how DA2 is selling and how much of a success or failure that is for our company and Dragon Age's future potential. Whether the lesson we've learned is the one you think it should be will remain to be seen, I guess. Hopefully so.

every game has its faults every one! i'm finding all this continuous moaning about da2 tediousi think now this is justa hunch that bioware nkows how a lot of you feel they tried some new idea not all them worked but some of them did. i'm not suprised by japans results due to the fact that they have different ideas of what rpgs are (think final fantasy) just hit them all with a big fish mr gaider i only have a few minor problems with it such as the one race option(i've said that so many times now i'm getting bored typing it) the way some of the elves were done the party member elves were fine but the rest looked like alians(to me) and da:o's camp thing that was was a great addition i loved da:o's convos but i do agree with you that it does need to limated to some degree. Edit took down the chart was to do with ps3 sales should have look better first!



this is how i picture elves as well

Ah yes. The beautiful Aerie. In my mind this is how an elf is supposed to look like

But if you take a look at the elves in DA2 you can see that there are similarities. As if they aimed for them to look like this but missed and the poor elf hit the wall face first and got it flattened out.

Modifié par anorling, 03 mai 2011 - 06:23 .

[Dark83]

djackson75 wrote...

What if... and I know this is crazy.. But what if...someone liked FPS's AND RPG's??

What if the same guy that plays Call of Duty.....plays Dragon Age??

Don't be silly, I don't exist. I'm playing D&D tomorrow, so clearly I didn't sink a year in Unreal Tournament back in university.

[HTTP 404]

does this change how anyone feels about Da2? likely not.

[Abhorash]

so its dragon age 3 in the way?

[Altima Darkspells]

Abhorash wrote...

so its dragon age 3 in the way?

We'll see during Christmas of '12.

After all, that's the next 15-18 month regurgitation cycle, right?

Unless TOR is ready to go by then.

[FellowerOfOdin]

Altima Darkspells wrote...


Unless TOR is ready to go by then.

...or its servers are already shut down.

[djackson75]

Dark83 wrote...

djackson75 wrote...

What if... and I know this is crazy.. But what if...someone liked FPS's AND RPG's??

What if the same guy that plays Call of Duty.....plays Dragon Age??

Don't be silly, I don't exist. I'm playing D&D tomorrow, so clearly I didn't sink a year in Unreal Tournament back in university.

I'm just sick of the prevailing attitude on this board that people who play Call of Duty or it's ilk are a completely different(and inferior) species to RPG players.. or that someone can't actually like both genre's. It's not only incorrect, but it's also stupid.

[88mphSlayer]

Foolsfolly wrote...

You can appeal to a larger fanbase without churning out a mess.

You just make an easy to learn, hard to master, well done game. FPS's have it somewhat easy. You point the cross-hair on someone and then fire. And that's a large percent of the gameplay mechanics you have to learn.

A tutorial, a small learning noob point in the beginning, and doing your chosen genre well. DA is a RPG series. So a well done RPG with an easy entrance point to the mechanics would go a long way to attract new players.

And a well done RPG would get word of mouth and critics on their side.

Origins wasn't perfect and the gameplay did need to be updated and streamlined (especially that goddamn Warden Shuffle with melee characters). DA2 did some good things with the gameplay but lost depth. I blame the rush job on this. This is an unfinished game in all of its aspects. The gameplay's unfinished, the story's unfinished, the level design's unfinished, it's all unfinished.

a lot of people pick up games just because they want variety - they have their core game(s) they play regularly that they can fall back on if they buy something they don't like, but you don't want to get burned out (and because sometimes you just want a time waster which is what rpg's are best at)

basically it's really simple: want new customers in the rpg field? make a quality product that's semi-accessible and doesn't get tedious and release it when there's not much competition

[Muriya]

88mphSlayer wrote...
a lot of people pick up games just because they want variety - they have their core game(s) they play regularly that they can fall back on if they buy something they don't like, but you don't want to get burned out (and because sometimes you just want a time waster which is what rpg's are best at)

basically it's really simple: want new customers in the rpg field? make a quality product that's semi-accessible and doesn't get tedious and release it when there's not much competition

Well said. DAO was my core game for a long time and I played through all 6 origins(some more than once) just to see the different possibilities.  I also played Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 and liked both a lot. In old days I also liked shooting games like House of the Dead---similar to Left for Dead. But for an RPG I'm looking for something totally different. For an action RPG, I'm actually quite ready to go for Diablo 3--assuming the quality keeps up to previous standard.

I have carefully evaluated DA2 including the demo. I agree it is not a bad game but honestly I am quite dissappointed that it does not offer what I was looking for.   I was looking for a continuation of the original story since it has the name "Dragon Age 2" but it's not there.  It would have been okay if it's called something like "Dragon Age Chronicles:  Rise to Power" instead of "Dragon Age 2".  Many others have listed other pros and cons so I won't repeat them.  In my opinion a game like Dragon Age Origins would worth $60-$80 but a game like DA2 I would rather pass.  Sure, DAO was not perfect but it had a good balance for many different types of players. It was good enough overall to appeal to the masses.  Trying to improve only in specific areas with limited budget and time while weakening other areas doesn't make sense to me. If budget and time are limited, I would rather the development team focus on the contents..  I don't think the "Hardcore" RPG gamers alone would have been enough to support the huge sales success that DAO enjoyed.  DAO was overall a very good game from many different perspectives. I personally consider it the best RPG ever made in BioWare's company history. Hopefully we can see more quality products like DAO from Bioware and other studios in the future...

Modifié par Muriya, 03 mai 2011 - 07:10 .

[DSGrant]

I agree that no one particular genre of game/gamer is necessarily inferior/superior to another. It's all a matter of personal tastes. However, I also agree that Bioware tried to appeal to a larger demographic with Dragon Age 2 in order to extend their marketing/sales reach, and in doing so, they only succeeded in alienating some of their core fanbase. The sales numbers speak for themselves. DA2 did NOT have the mass appeal that Bioware was looking for with this "new direction" they took. It's therefore very clear, at least to most of us consumers, what worked (Origins) and what didn't work (DA2).

[xkg]

Sales for week 8 are available.
Not much of a change from last week.

Dragon Age 2 sales (Xbox360)
Dragon Age 2 sales (PS3)
Dragon Age 2 sales (PC)

[neppakyo]

ouch.

[AkiKishi]

A huge gap between sold in and sold through.

[AkiKishi]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Autolycus wrote...

The words falling, blind and roofer come to mind again folks....

And shooting oneself in the foot. That's what they get for not taking the fan's concerns to heart before the release of the game.

But they sold over 2 million !

Guess thats explains why there are shelves of DA2 in the local stores.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 06 mai 2011 - 04:39 .