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[Lesdeth]

xkg wrote...

At least make real hyperlinks, or let somoene else make such thread. It seems you dont have idea how to do it.

You need to learn how to propely state your ideas and opinions according to English literary standards.

Good for you that you can critisize someone, not on their facts, but on their lack of using hyperlinks.  Wow.

[AkiKishi]

simonc4175 wrote...
The DA2 demo was released weeks before the final game was published.  Everyone had the chance to see the changes which had been made to DA:2.

There is no real excuse for the people who tried the demo to post unconstructive critism.

If people didn't try the demo they only have themselves to blame as that is why is was released so people could see the changes made.

After playing the demo a common quations was this. "Where is the auto attack on the consoles"? Bioware then came out and said it was included in the full game. It was not.

The demo never gave any clue to how much things were overused either.

Thats not including the legion of fanboys who jumped on anything said with "It will be fixed in the full game".

Modifié par BobSmith101, 28 avril 2011 - 03:14 .

[Lesdeth]

simonc4175 wrote...

abaris wrote...

simonc4175 wrote...

Only Bioware and EA will actually the know the real amount of units sold.

But if they were significantly higher than the featured figures, EA and Bioware would fire press release after press release to prove them wrong.

Anyone with basic CSS/HTML knowledge can produce a nice looking website and claim what they say is the "truth".

People should actually want this game be a sucess as more and more developers are backing out from producing games for the PC.

If PC game sales decline that it's entirely possible that Bioware won't release PC titles in the future.

The chances are DA2 has a high piracy rate as most newly released games do.

Persoanlly I'd like to see other developers do PC releases but if the "haters" want to see a game fail then that's their perogitive.

This was a console port dude...  It wasn't designed for PC.

[xkg]

Lesdeth wrote...

xkg wrote...

At least make real hyperlinks, or let somoene else make such thread. It seems you dont have idea how to do it.

You need to learn how to propely state your ideas and opinions according to English literary standards.

Good for you that you can critisize someone, not on their facts, but on their lack of using hyperlinks.  Wow.

yep, this is international forum and English isnt my primary. Or do i need to be a linguist to post here ?

[Lesdeth]

xkg wrote...

Lesdeth wrote...

xkg wrote...

At least make real hyperlinks, or let somoene else make such thread. It seems you dont have idea how to do it.

You need to learn how to propely state your ideas and opinions according to English literary standards.

Good for you that you can critisize someone, not on their facts, but on their lack of using hyperlinks.  Wow.

yep, this is international forum and English isnt my primary. Or do i need to be a linguist to post here ?

Don't critisize people on whether or not someone knows how to add something to their post when you don't know how to properly use English standards.  Seriously...

Modifié par Lesdeth, 28 avril 2011 - 03:20 .

[Wittand25]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

simonc4175 wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

This is a horrible argument.  The demo does not have any of the story in it.  The demo didn't show you would be running around the same areas over and over all game.  The demo didn't have enemies falling out the sky.  If the combat is the ONLY reason you dislike the game, then fine it's on you.  But combat was all the demo showed.

From the game FAQ:

• 
  Where does Dragon Age 2 take place?
  Dragon Age 2 is set in the Free Marches, with much of the plot
  focused on the city of Kirkwall, an ancient port city that was once the
  center of the global slave trade.

The demo also showed the new dialog wheel system and the voiced protaginist.

There was plenty of information available in the gaming magazines prior to relase.

[*]Did some of that info also happen to mention the recycled maps?

Yes most of it. All German reviewers mentioned them two weeks before launch. I remember that because I copied them here to the BSN and there was quite some discussion what it exactly means.

[xkg]

Lesdeth wrote...

xkg wrote...

Lesdeth wrote...

xkg wrote...

At least make real hyperlinks, or let somoene else make such thread. It seems you dont have idea how to do it.

You need to learn how to propely state your ideas and opinions according to English literary standards.

Good for you that you can critisize someone, not on their facts, but on their lack of using hyperlinks.  Wow.

yep, this is international forum and English isnt my primary. Or do i need to be a linguist to post here ?

Don't critisize people on whether or not someone knows how to add something to their post when you don't know how to properly use English standards.  Seriously...

I dont need to know English standards to criticise lack of knowledge in making threads

English standards =/= Making threads (two completly different things)

You don't know what logic is do you ?

Modifié par xkg, 28 avril 2011 - 03:28 .

[Lord Phoebus]

simonc4175 wrote...

People should actually want this game be a sucess as more and more developers are backing out from producing games for the PC.

If PC game sales decline that it's entirely possible that Bioware won't release PC titles in the future.

We don't know what the digital sales are for the PC, and they are almost certainly more than the physical units. The companies also make more per PC sale than console sale, since they don't have to pay licensing fees and for digital sales they make much more (particularly if its through the EA store). I'm guessing if you add in digital sales there are probably more PC sales than PS3 sales.

The chances are DA2 has a high piracy rate as most newly released games do.

Piracy occurs on all platforms.  Console piracy is particularly heavy in the far east.

Persoanlly I'd like to see other developers do PC releases but if the "haters" want to see a game fail then that's their perogitive.

Quality before quantity.  If they can't make a good game I'd rather they not make a game regardless of platform. 

[AkiKishi]

Wittand25 wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

simonc4175 wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

This is a horrible argument.  The demo does not have any of the story in it.  The demo didn't show you would be running around the same areas over and over all game.  The demo didn't have enemies falling out the sky.  If the combat is the ONLY reason you dislike the game, then fine it's on you.  But combat was all the demo showed.

From the game FAQ:

• 
  Where does Dragon Age 2 take place?
  Dragon Age 2 is set in the Free Marches, with much of the plot
  focused on the city of Kirkwall, an ancient port city that was once the
  center of the global slave trade.

The demo also showed the new dialog wheel system and the voiced protaginist.

There was plenty of information available in the gaming magazines prior to relase.

[*]Did some of that info also happen to mention the recycled maps?

Yes most of it. All German reviewers mentioned them two weeks before launch. I remember that because I copied them here to the BSN and there was quite some discussion what it exactly means.

[*]I don't think anyone was prepared for the extent of reuse though. When they said you visit the same cave it was put down to visiting the same cave in each act. Not so much visiting the same cave each time.  

[David Gaider]

Not to suggest anything beyond this, but if one is going to compare the sales of the two games one might also wish to take into account the fact that Origins was released shortly before Christmas. Beyond that, whatever extrapolations you wish to make are up to you.

[Jerrybnsn]

BobSmith101 wrote...

xkg wrote...

Rebecca Black likes DA2 wrote...

http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/


http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/

 
http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/

At least make real hyperlinks, or let somoene else make such thread. It seems you dont have idea how to do it.

You could have just fixed them in your edit.

But where's the hate in that?

[AkiKishi]

David Gaider wrote...

Not to suggest anything beyond this, but if one is going to compare the sales of the two games one might also wish to take into account the fact that Origins was released shortly before Christmas. Beyond that, whatever extrapolations you wish to make are up to you.

Would that balance out with the 400k pre-orders for DA2 ? 

[Bobad]

David Gaider wrote...

Not to suggest anything beyond this, but if one is going to compare the sales of the two games one might also wish to take into account the fact that Origins was released shortly before Christmas. Beyond that, whatever extrapolations you wish to make are up to you.

Indeed, I got Origins for Christmas, a gift from myself.  I bought myself DA2 as a happy today day present.

[Wittand25]

BobSmith101 wrote...

I don't think anyone was prepared for the extent of reuse though. When they said you visit the same cave it was put down to visiting the same cave in each act. Not so much visiting the same cave each time.  

Really ? Must have gotten lost in translation then, since the magazines even had screenshots to prove that areas get reused regularly.
In fact Gamestar wrote "In manchen Gebieten ist die Grafik hässlich. Da stört es doppelt, dass uns das Programm durch die immer gleichen Klonkeller und -Höhlen schickt. Ein Zeichen für the kurze Produktionszeit des Spiels."
Translation: " Some areas have rather ugly graphics. This makes the fact that the program sends you to the always same cloned cellars and caves twice as annoying. A sign for the short production time of the game."

So I was prepared for the game, and frankly the reuse of areas is much less annoying that I feared after reading the review.

[Jerrybnsn]

I bought Origins in February when a friend of mine told me that it was an actually good rpg for a console and not another Final Fantasy game.

[Aaleel]

David Gaider wrote...

Not to suggest anything beyond this, but if one is going to compare the sales of the two games one might also wish to take into account the fact that Origins was released shortly before Christmas. Beyond that, whatever extrapolations you wish to make are up to you.

I know you get a sales boost around Christmas.  But on consoles 230k for DA:O to 31K for DA2.  700% Christmas sale boost? 

[Cowboy_christo]

David Gaider wrote...

Not to suggest anything beyond this, but if one is going to compare the sales of the two games one might also wish to take into account the fact that Origins was released shortly before Christmas. Beyond that, whatever extrapolations you wish to make are up to you.

And also with actual competition during that time.

And i bet after 7 week its still christmass and its why origin was still selling higher?

[Jerrybnsn]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

I bought Origins in February when a friend of mine told me that it was an actually good rpg for a console and not another Final Fantasy game.

And I still had to pay $60 for it!!

[FellowerOfOdin]

David Gaider wrote...

Not to suggest anything beyond this, but if one is going to compare the sales of the two games one might also wish to take into account the fact that Origins was released shortly before Christmas. Beyond that, whatever extrapolations you wish to make are up to you.

Beyond that, one also needs to tale into account that DA:RtP was the successor to a very successful and highly valuable game and thus most of its sold copies were pre-orders.

What will happen with DA3? Even more content for pre-orderers? Yes, certainly, I expect DA:O to be delivered with DA3 if you preorder the game.

[AkiKishi]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Not to suggest anything beyond this, but if one is going to compare the sales of the two games one might also wish to take into account the fact that Origins was released shortly before Christmas. Beyond that, whatever extrapolations you wish to make are up to you.

Beyond that, one also needs to tale into account that DA:RtP was the successor to a very successful and highly valuable game and thus most of its sold copies were pre-orders.

What will happen with DA3? Even more content for pre-orderers? Yes, certainly, I expect DA:O to be delivered with DA3 if you preorder the game.

That's what Level 5 did with White Knight Chronicles 2. Even had to finish the first game before it would let you play the one you bought if you got the Japanese version.

Seeing the game half price or less within a month has a lot of people rather peeved.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 28 avril 2011 - 03:55 .

[Rebecca Black likes DA2]

David Gaider wrote...

Not to suggest anything beyond this, but if one is going to compare the sales of the two games one might also wish to take into account the fact that Origins was released shortly before Christmas. Beyond that, whatever extrapolations you wish to make are up to you.

Oh we have.  This discussion has been going on for 7 weeks.  You should know that, you troll the forums often enough.

Anyway, what seems to have been extrapolated is that bad games sell bad.  You could have pulled this Dragon Age 2 bait and switch tactic during the holidays and obviously got more sales, but in the end all that would have accomplished is showing that many more people that Bioware knows how to make bad games.

[Jerrybnsn]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

I bought Origins in February when a friend of mine told me that it was an actually good rpg for a console and not another Final Fantasy game.

And I still had to pay $60 for it!!

And I was never offered Mass Effect 1 for free!!!

[ItsToofy]

David Gaider wrote...

Not to suggest anything beyond this, but if one is going to compare the sales of the two games one might also wish to take into account the fact that Origins was released shortly before Christmas. Beyond that, whatever extrapolations you wish to make are up to you.

Oh, I thought it was because you took 6 years to make and it was a quality product, not a christmas cash in that was long in the works...I guess you proved my thoughts wrong there.

Btw, you're books were very entertaining, just to leave this on a positive note.

Modifié par ItsToofy, 28 avril 2011 - 04:04 .

[David Gaider]

Cowboy_christo wrote...
And also with actual competition during that time.

Despite the competition, it's simply a fact that games receive a huge boost during the Christmas season.

That and the fact that Origins also sold awesomely because it was an awesome game.

I doubt that kind of information is really what you're after, however, so I'll leave you to your discussion.

[AkiKishi]

David Gaider wrote...

Cowboy_christo wrote...
And also with actual competition during that time.

Despite the competition, it's simply a fact that games receive a huge boost during the Christmas season.

That and the fact that Origins also sold awesomely because it was an awesome game.

I doubt that kind of information is really what you're after, however, so I'll leave you to your discussion.

So if we take away the pre-order "bonus" sales for DA2 to compensate for Origins holday sales...
Does that mean that DA2 is not selling awesomely because it's not an awesome game?