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[Volourn]

"Doesn't matter exactly how much, DA:O outsells DA2 by ALOT."

vghchartz is untrustworthy. There numbers aren't accurate. Their numbers can be way off. They are absed on whimisical 'reseacrh' and can and will be changed just because.

btw, Nobody has claimed that DA2 has outsold DA1 9potentially but not there yet if ever). That's not the point. vghchartz is even less trustworthy than wiki is since vghchartz uses random numbers they make up while wiki tends to have multiple people editinga dn rediting obvious trolls fixes or mistakes or whatnot.

VGHChartz is just random numbers and honestly I trust you or me to come up with more accurate numbers than vghcartz does. In essence, I respect you more than them.

[Merced652]

rofl, if volourn had anything to do with the rpgcodex its them laughing him off the forums every time he posts. However, i will grant that they sometimes are abrasive.

[Volourn]

It's off topic, the Codex loves me. And, hates me. Love-hate relationship.

But, anyways, back on topic which is DA2 not Volourn...

[RaenImrahl]

"Get back on topic, please," strikes me as being pretty clear. If everyone wants to simply pile on Volourn, whether you deem it deserved or not, this thread will be locked and temp bans will be issued.

Now... it's an interesting topic. So let's stick to it.

RI

Modifié par RaenImrahl, 07 mai 2011 - 08:38 .

[Aaleel]

Vgchartz are not perfectly accurate. But they aren't 500 - 600% off either. They use the same system that is used to estimate how many people went to see movies. I've never seen a time when someone said movie numbers were off by some ridiculous amount.

Also I've never seen an Bioware person contradict the numbers when they post.  It's usually some excuse like it wasn't released during the holiday season or something.

But anyway. These numbers are pretty paltry, even giving away ME2 and price slashing. I wonder how much support the game will get. 2 months and not a peep about any real DLC.

Modifié par Aaleel, 07 mai 2011 - 08:56 .

[Sabriana]

Amazon.de

DA 2 new 35 euros (originally sold at 59 euros, btw.)

26 new 26,95 euros, 4 used 24.50 euros

Just in case someone is interested.

In our largest media outlet in my town DA:O is actually currently outselling DA 2. I have a friend who works there, and I tend to quiz her about stuff. A lot.

[RaenImrahl]

Aaleel wrote...

Vgchartz are not perfectly accurate. But they aren't 500 - 600% off either. They use the same system that is used to estimate how many people went to see movies. I've never seen a time when someone said movie numbers were off by some ridiculous amount.

Also I've never seen an Bioware person contradict the numbers when they post.  It's usually some excuse like it wasn't released during the holiday season or something.

But anyway. These numbers are pretty paltry, even giving away ME2 and price slashing. I wonder how much support the game will get. 2 months and not a peep about any real DLC.

Silence on a subject does not equate to agreement.

As to support... I have no doubt real DLC is in the works... it's an integral part of their business model.  If the game was being written off as a loss, I doubt they'd be working on more patches...  the devs have been engaging users in the PC Tech forum for a while now on that topic.

Also, with DAO, the first story-based DLC came within two months of launch... and had to be patched, then patched again.  I for one am happy that they're taking their time.  And they don't seem to preview DLC too far in advanced, anyway.  ME2's "Arrival" was leaked several weeks before it appeared, but the official announcement was only with two weeks or so lead time.

[Aaleel]

RaenImrahl wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Vgchartz are not perfectly accurate. But they aren't 500 - 600% off either. They use the same system that is used to estimate how many people went to see movies. I've never seen a time when someone said movie numbers were off by some ridiculous amount.

Also I've never seen an Bioware person contradict the numbers when they post.  It's usually some excuse like it wasn't released during the holiday season or something.

But anyway. These numbers are pretty paltry, even giving away ME2 and price slashing. I wonder how much support the game will get. 2 months and not a peep about any real DLC.

Silence on a subject does not equate to agreement.

As to support... I have no doubt real DLC is in the works... it's an integral part of their business model.  If the game was being written off as a loss, I doubt they'd be working on more patches...  the devs have been engaging users in the PC Tech forum for a while now on that topic.

Also, with DAO, the first story-based DLC came within two months of launch... and had to be patched, then patched again.  I for one am happy that they're taking their time.  And they don't seem to preview DLC too far in advanced, anyway.  ME2's "Arrival" was leaked several weeks before it appeared, but the official announcement was only with two weeks or so lead time.

They talked about RTO really early after the game came out, and it didn't actually come out until Jan.  I also remember reading about Awakenings right after new years, and that didn't come out until March if I remember correctly.

[RaenImrahl]

Sabriana wrote...

Amazon.de

DA 2 new 35 euros (originally sold at 59 euros, btw.)

26 new 26,95 euros, 4 used 24.50 euros

Just in case someone is interested.

In our largest media outlet in my town DA:O is actually currently outselling DA 2. I have a friend who works there, and I tend to quiz her about stuff. A lot.

Just from my observations helping in the DAO PC Tech forum... and this is all anecdotal... I've seen a number of new DAO owners who say something like... "I played DA2 and I wanted to go back and play Origins".  Also keep in mind that Origins is available in its "Ultimate Edition" form, which might attract those who skipped it the first time because they didn't want to invest in all the DLC peace-meal.  Don't forget that DAO got some flak when it was launched for placing those obvious DLC "hooks" in the main story....   

I have to wonder if, from a business standpoint, Bioware is thinking longer-term with DA2... that there may be an "Ultimate Edition" that will allow them to get a new sales cycle out of existing product.  

[Night Prowler76]

Volourn wrote...

I'm Kanadian and I love my country but claiming you 'coutnry is the best ever' is political dissucssion and disprectful to others. I did not slander Kanada.

That said, I respect Raen's ruiling on this matter...


Anyways, on topic: vhghcharts is inaccurate and it doesn't even trust its own numbers. EA cna't lie about their numbers or esle they can face heavy fines and punishment. That's why despite them being a big bad evil company, their numbers are more trustworthy due to self intrest.

I didnt claim it was the best country ever, I said bestest in a joking manner, you nead to distinguish between someone joking around and someone being serious, spelling Canada with a "k" on purpose is slander, and a very ameturish attempt at trolling,  this is why you fail at being a good troll.

Yes EA can't lie about sales, thats why they rarely announce a games "sell through" number until the game has been out for quite a while, but they can release "sell in" numbers, (which means shipped), and that is apparently at 2 million, so DA2 has not sold 2 million copies to consumers.

VGchartz does a decent job for the amount of data they collect, the are not prefect, but they are almost always in the ballpark for any big title game for sales, for instance, I am assuming VGchartz put DA2 sales at about 1.4 million, and considering EA stated they have shipped out 2 million copies, thats probably a pretty reasonable assesment that 1.4 million of the 2 million copies have sold to consumers while the rest remain on shelves waiting to be bought...

Modifié par Night Prowler76, 07 mai 2011 - 09:28 .

[Brockololly]

I think its telling as well that during the recent Steam sale of both DA2 and DAO, DAO was consistently higher in sales than DA2 throughout the whole sale. And Steam reports their top sellers by revenue, so with DAO at a price of $20 and DA2 at $40, DAO was not only selling more copies but also more based on revenue.

[Night Prowler76]

Brockololly wrote...

I think its telling as well that during the recent Steam sale of both DA2 and DAO, DAO was consistently higher in sales than DA2 throughout the whole sale. And Steam reports their top sellers by revenue, so with DAO at a price of $20 and DA2 at $40, DAO was not only selling more copies but also more based on revenue.

Quality games usually keep decent sales even when they get older, its a good sign of the quality of DAO, it doesnt make DA2 look very good tho lol

[Persephone]

Night Prowler76 wrote...
 I am assuming VGchartz put DA2 sales at about 1.4 million, and considering EA stated they have shipped out 2 million copies, thats probably a pretty reasonable assesment that 1.4 million of the 2 million copies have sold to consumers while the rest remain on shelves waiting to be bought...

+1

I'd also say that 1.4-1.6 mill being sold to customers makes sense. (From worst to best case scenario) Not all +2 mill have been sold to customers, no. Not a smash hit but not shabby by any means either. (In 2 months) I'll gladly be corrected by anyone who has the actual numbers though. (And lack of bias would be nice too)

[Sabriana]

Raen, I don't doubt that people will get curious about DA:O after playing DA 2. Perhaps because they keep hearing that it is the superior game for many players? Could be? I also want to point out that DA:O hooked in gamers that previously had no interest in RPGs - two people I know bought it because they heard its praises sung, and wanted to try it out. They vanished for a few weeks and are now hooked on RPGs in general. Yes, a good RPG can pay off in a multitude of ways.

DA:O is still selling at a steady pace. It has been doing that since it was released. Now it's outselling its sequel. Normally it should be the other way around, especially a game that is only about 3 month out of the stable.

I do wonder sometimes why I have to defend a great game, selling well through almost 2 years. DA:O was a success on all fronts.

Of course DA:O got some flak. It deserved it too. There was some serious bugginess going on. I do believe you guys are still working on a patch after the server hiccup. It's not perfect. Things seldom are. It had flaws, but it was - and is a great game. I love it. I installed it the day of its release, and it is still on my rig. I still play it. DA 2 is uninstalled. I've no interest in it anymore.

[Persephone]

Sabriana wrote...

I do wonder sometimes why I have to defend a great game, selling well through almost 2 years.

I don't think DAO is in a particular need of any defense, given its sacrosanct status around here.

[Zjarcal]

Persephone wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

I do wonder sometimes why I have to defend a great game, selling well through almost 2 years.

I don't think DAO is in a particular need of any defense, given its sacrosanct status around here.

I thought DA2 was the game that had to be defended from all the flak it gets here... 

Modifié par Zjarcal, 07 mai 2011 - 09:49 .

[Persephone]

Zjarcal wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

I do wonder sometimes why I have to defend a great game, selling well through almost 2 years.

I don't think DAO is in a particular need of any defense, given its sacrosanct status around here.

I thought DA2 was the game that had to be defended from all the flak it gets here... 

Could have fooled me.

[Night Prowler76]

Persephone wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...
 I am assuming VGchartz put DA2 sales at about 1.4 million, and considering EA stated they have shipped out 2 million copies, thats probably a pretty reasonable assesment that 1.4 million of the 2 million copies have sold to consumers while the rest remain on shelves waiting to be bought...

+1

I'd also say that 1.4-1.6 mill being sold to customers makes sense. (From worst to best case scenario) Not all +2 mill have been sold to customers, no. Not a smash hit but not shabby by any means either. (In 2 months) I'll gladly be corrected by anyone who has the actual numbers though. (And lack of bias would be nice too)

I think it will end up selling over 2 million copies, they are still marketing it and putting it on sale at alot of locations, I am hopeful that they will make a bit better product next time, I dont mind waiting a bit longer if I have to, Im sure Bioware and EA are satisfied with the amount of sales they have gotten, but like any company, Im sure they would like to grow it to atleast 4-5 million again.

I think most sites and people have a bit of Bias Pers, Im sure in a year or so they true numbers will be available in a press release from EA:)

[Sabriana]

Persephone wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

I do wonder sometimes why I have to defend a great game, selling well through almost 2 years.

I don't think DAO is in a particular need of any defense, given its sacrosanct status around here.

Yeah, yeah, I know. I do tend to get a bit tetchy where DA:O is concerned. Even if the slight is only in my head.

I get a bit bend out of shape when I hear that DA:O is only selling because....insert reason..... I know people don't mean to diss it, I humbly apologize.

About the status, I'm sometimes afraid that I'll be called names because I like love DA:O. I always wait for the "stop lifting it on a pedestal" comments. I'm not putting it on a pedestal. Like I said, it did have flaws, and some were big ones. Modders fixed most of the flag/script triggering bugs, but some could not be fixed. It wasn't perfect. But I still love it, still play it, and I will keep on playing it.

[RaenImrahl]

Sabriana wrote...


I get a bit bend out of shape when I hear that DA:O is only selling because....insert reason..... I know people don't mean to diss it, I humbly apologize.

I don't mean to imply that DAO won't continue to sell on its merits... simply that new people seem, from my perspective, to have more opportunity to give DAO a second look now.  As I said, I suspect there will opportunities made (like an Ultimate Edition) for potential customers to give DA2 a second look in the future.  Doesn't mean they'll like it any more or less than those of us who pre-ordered it.

[Persephone]

Sabriana wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

I do wonder sometimes why I have to defend a great game, selling well through almost 2 years.

I don't think DAO is in a particular need of any defense, given its sacrosanct status around here.

Yeah, yeah, I know. I do tend to get a bit tetchy where DA:O is concerned. Even if the slight is only in my head.

I get a bit bend out of shape when I hear that DA:O is only selling because....insert reason..... I know people don't mean to diss it, I humbly apologize.

About the status, I'm sometimes afraid that I'll be called names because I like love DA:O. I always wait for the "stop lifting it on a pedestal" comments. I'm not putting it on a pedestal. Like I said, it did have flaws, and some were big ones. Modders fixed most of the flag/script triggering bugs, but some could not be fixed. It wasn't perfect. But I still love it, still play it, and I will keep on playing it.

I couldn't agree more. I adore that game.

And I feel the same way about DAII. Only I'm a tad more protective because it got stabbed more than Caesar did when the Ides Of March rolled around.