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[aries1001]

As I understand it, retail sales for pc games are only about half of the complete (full?) sales for pc games these days or more to the point for every retail pc game that is sold there's sold one pc game via digital distribution.

As for Drage Age's future, I do hope there will be more games in the franchise - because I liked the first one and probably also will like the second one (whenever I can afford to get it....). I hope EA and Bioware realizes that gamers these days also are 30+ , not only young boys from 18-25 like someone might have thought since they made the statement that they wanted to get the action crowd to play this game. I'm not sure they will, though - play the game, DA2, I mean. They'll probably like the action, but be bored by the dialouge and choices. Even I get bored with choices and dialogue sometimes and then I play - ahem- an action game.

[Zjarcal]

Brockololly wrote...

I don't know how much you can read into the specific week by week numbers, especially coming from vgchartz, but the trend is interesting and likely not far from the truth.

Even still, there are a ton of factors to consider:

All good factors to consider indeed.

Brockololly wrote...
- What about digital sales for the PC version? I'd imagine DD sales make up an even larger portion of PC sales than Origins, which likely means higher revenue per copy versus retail.

This is the main reason why I don't pay much attention to sales numbers, they usually ignore Digital Distribution, which as we know has become a large portion of the PC market.

Brockololly wrote...
- Not to mention the PC version being $60 as opposed to Origins at $50, which is going straight to EA.

I usually forget that DA2 was indeed ten bucks pricier. But yeah, this does mean that less sales does not necessarily mean less profit.

Brockololly wrote...
- While Origins had the Christmas holiday, it still came out in early November 09, the week before Modern Warfare 2, so its not like it released all by itself.

True. That it sold as well as it did is actually quite impressive. Although the MW2 crowd might not have been the most interested in buying Dragon Age.

Brockololly wrote...
- And despite releasing in the holiday season, Origins was a new IP that had to establish a name for itself.

Also true, but a new IP from a dev like Bioware does have it a lot easier, especially with a fanbase as loyal as the one Bioware has.

*waits for a joke from someone to say how that loyal fanbase is now gone*

Brockololly wrote...
- How much of DA2's strong initial sales were due to preorders? And then, why did people preorder? Because they were fans of Origins or they enjoyed the demo or something else entirely?

I would guess that 90% - 95% of preorders were from people who enjoyed Origins. I doubt the demo itself moved that many preorder numbers.

Also, are preoder numbers included in there? I mean, I don't know how those charts work really.

Brockololly wrote...
- What effect did the early cutoff for the Signature Edition have on preorders?

Hard to say really. But I can tell you that I preordered twice... first the SE from Gametap.com and then I cancelled that once the game was available on Steam (even if it wasn't the SE).

Brockololly wrote...
- What effect does DA2's relatively negative word of mouth have on sales over the long term as opposed to Origins' generally positive word of mouth? Does that show up in reduced DLC sales or eventually, increased reluctance towards a possible DA3 and possibly reduced preorders and sales of DA3?

I imagine it has to have had some effect. Whether the people who have withheld from buying DA2 due to negative review or word of mouth would actually enjoy it is a different story. It could be that if they end up buying it on the cheap later on and enjoy it, they'll be enthused enough to preorder DA3. Or not.

Woot, mini epic post for the DA2 forums. 

Modifié par Zjarcal, 28 avril 2011 - 10:26 .

[nopho]

[quote]Zjarcal wrote...


[quote]Brockololly wrote...
- What about digital sales for the PC version? I'd imagine DD sales make up an even larger portion of PC sales than Origins, which likely means higher revenue per copy versus retail.
[/quote]

This is the main reason why I don't pay much attention to sales numbers, they usually ignore Digital Distribution, which as we know has become a large portion of the PC market.[/quote]

100k on steam acording to here
gamasutra.com/view/pressreleases/71558/Total_War_Shogun_leads_first_quarter_revenues_as_Steamgenerates_estimated_193_million_in_Q1.php

[quote][quote]Brockololly wrote...
- Not to mention the PC version being $60 as opposed to Origins at $50, which is going straight to EA.
[/quote]

I usually forget that DA2 was indeed ten bucks pricier. But yeah, this does mean that less sales does not necessarily mean less profit.[/quote]
but the price of DA2 droped like hell on many sites, get it from here:
www.amazon.co.uk/Dragon-Age-2-PC-DVD/dp/B003VM8HFE/ref=sr_1_1

for almost nothing if you include that you should still get me2 for it (or at least people got the last weeks)

[quote]
[quote]Brockololly wrote...
- While Origins had the Christmas holiday, it still came out in early November 09, the week before Modern Warfare 2, so its not like it released all by itself.
[/quote]

True. That it sold as well as it did is actually quite impressive. Although the MW2 crowd might not have been the most interested in buying Dragon Age.[/quote]

thats a simplification. i own MW2 and battlefield BC2, and i am one of the people who critizied that DA:O didn't had enough nerdy charbuilding options.

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[quote]Brockololly wrote...
- And despite releasing in the holiday season, Origins was a new IP that had to establish a name for itself.
[/quote]

Also true, but a new IP from a dev like Bioware does have it a lot easier, especially with a fanbase as loyal as the one Bioware has.

*waits for a joke from someone to say how that loyal fanbase is now gone*[/quote]

i once heard in university class that a big german newspaper spends ~800€ to get a loyal customer, as those are very important (it is a newspaper you can read from age20-80 so it pays of for them (oh and yes, the joke that they should just send us the 800€ instead was made, a lot))

and an IP wich is new from bioware still got it worse than the successor of an IP wich everybody loves from bioware. and many people are indifferent about the studio, actually DA:O just made me think about bioware that way. (not much experience with BG or such before, kotor was nice but i am not too much into "brand names")

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[quote]Brockololly wrote...
- How much of DA2's strong initial sales were due to preorders? And then, why did people preorder? Because they were fans of Origins or they enjoyed the demo or something else entirely?
[/quote]

I would guess that 90% - 95% of preorders were from people who enjoyed Origins. I doubt the demo itself moved that many preorder numbers.

Also, are preoder numbers included in there? I mean, I don't know how those charts work really.[/quote]

yes, all sales. (excluded digital distribution afaik)


[quote][quote]Brockololly wrote...
- What effect does DA2's relatively negative word of mouth have on sales over the long term as opposed to Origins' generally positive word of mouth? Does that show up in reduced DLC sales or eventually, increased reluctance towards a possible DA3 and possibly reduced preorders and sales of DA3?
[/quote]

I imagine it has to have had some effect. Whether the people who have withheld from buying DA2 due to negative review or word of mouth would actually enjoy it is a different story. It could be that if they end up buying it on the cheap later on and enjoy it, they'll be enthused enough to preorder DA3. Or not.

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all i know is that bioware wants people to preorder games and that i certainly won't, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
(being aware of the irony that i didn't buy DA:O for it being a bioware game but won't preorder any bioware game due to DA2)

Modifié par nopho, 28 avril 2011 - 11:52 .

[bjdbwea]

Surely the sales numbers of DA 2 will increase as the price decreases. Nevertheless, it certainly doesn't seem to sell very well. Unsurprisingly, one could say, given its questionable quality. On the other hand, many even quicker produced and more shallow games sell better. Few of them are RPGs though. So the lesson for BioWare/EA could either be that many potential buyers of RPG have higher standards and therefore BioWare's next games need to be produced with more effort and time invested, or that they need to "streamline" their games even more to finally attract that precious new target audience that, quite ungratefully probably in the opinion of BioWare/EA, seems to have largely ignored DA 2 as well.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 28 avril 2011 - 11:15 .

[The Metalion]

BobSmith101 wrote...

xkg wrote...

Rebecca Black likes DA2 wrote...

http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/


http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/

 
http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/

At least make real hyperlinks, or let somoene else make such thread. It seems you dont have idea how to do it.

You could have just fixed them in your edit.

Zinggg!!! 

[xkg]

The Metalion wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

xkg wrote...

Rebecca Black likes DA2 wrote...

http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/


http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/

 
http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/

At least make real hyperlinks, or let somoene else make such thread. It seems you dont have idea how to do it.

You could have just fixed them in your edit.

Zinggg!!! 

yay, im so ashamed. Please Metalion don't laugh at me.

Modifié par xkg, 29 avril 2011 - 12:19 .

[Mantaal]

Vice-Admiral von Titsling wrote...

Apollo Starflare wrote...
Except trolls in general (not just 4chan) have long since made metacritic user scores pointless for almost any game

Give me a break. Metacritic scores are usually very reasonable.

Didnt you have heard the News?
Metacritic isnt accurate anymore. That changed when DA2 got bad scores.
This Magicly transformed the "Wait for the Critic that really matters for DA2 on Metacritic" peoples into "Metacritic is pointless since ... ever!!" 

Cant remember the Name but both statements are from the same person in this forum.

Modifié par Mantaal, 29 avril 2011 - 12:18 .

[Zjarcal]

nopho wrote...

100k on steam acording to here
gamasutra.com/view/pressreleases/71558/Total_War_Shogun_leads_first_quarter_revenues_as_Steamgenerates_estimated_193_million_in_Q1.php

I wasn't aware of any place that tracked Steam sales. Thanks for this link.

but the price of DA2 droped like hell on many sites, get it from here:
www.amazon.co.uk/Dragon-Age-2-PC-DVD/dp/B003VM8HFE/ref=sr_1_1

for almost nothing if you include that you should still get me2 for it (or at least people got the last weeks)

Sure but every game drops in price. And if we consider that all preorders were sold at $60, that's quite a bump they got there.

thats a simplification. i own MW2 and battlefield BC2, and i am one of the people who critizied that DA:O didn't had enough nerdy charbuilding options.

Eh, just to clarify, I wasn't saying that there aren't any MW players interested in DA. Hell, I'm one of them. I was talking about the overall MW crowd.

all i know is that bioware wants people to preorder games and that i certainly won't, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
(being aware of the irony that i didn't buy DA:O for it being a bioware game but won't preorder any bioware game due to DA2)

That's the safest thing to do of course. I myself have yet to be disappointed by a Bioware game so I'm still part of the preorder crowd, but for those who weren't pleased with DA2, the safest thing is indeed to not preorder any future games.

[NKKKK]

That and the fact that Origins also sold awesomely because it was an awesome game.

EXACTLY!

[astrallite]

Mantaal wrote...

Didnt you have heard the News?
Metacritic isnt accurate anymore. That changed when DA2 got bad scores.
This Magicly transformed the "Wait for the Critic that really matters for DA2 on Metacritic" peoples into "Metacritic is pointless since ... ever!!" 

Cant remember the Name but both statements are from the same person in this forum.

Duh. They criticized a Bioware game. They've obviously been compromised. The only games that legitimately deserve that sort of backlash are JRPGs and Bethesda games.

Modifié par astrallite, 29 avril 2011 - 12:41 .

[Lesdeth]

Maverick827 wrote...

Hypocrites, all of you.

You first complained that DA2 was "dumbed down for the masses," claiming this to be the source of the game's initial success. You complained that BioWare "sold out," pandering to the larger market and compromising their artistic integrity in the process. You said that sales figures didn't matter because, at the core, BioWare had failed to produce a quality product.

Now that the numbers are on your side, however, suddenly they matter. Suddenly they are a basis on which BioWare should make decisions. What's more is that now, whether or not you realize it, you are the "masses" to which you hope BioWare will pander. You are the ones asking them to compromise their artistic integrity and make games the way you want them to, not the way they want to, in order to make more money and be more successful and popular.

You are all children.

Point me to one user who said all of that.  Everyone has opinions.  This is an essential quality to grasp in order for you to comprehend existence.

[Tommy6860]

David Gaider wrote...

Not to suggest anything beyond this, but if one is going to compare the sales of the two games one might also wish to take into account the fact that Origins was released shortly before Christmas. Beyond that, whatever extrapolations you wish to make are up to you.

Well you just made an extrapolation, whether intended or not. Bioware could have waited until this holday season to release DA2, considering your allusion that's where the money is made and even polished the game a bit more. Oh, but I know ME3 will be coming a out as well as other "action" games like COD:MW3. Even then, Origins was released right along many hits during it's holiday season release in Nov. 2009, right there with MW2. Better yet, release DA2 during the mid September to end of October time-frame, and you'd have a winner, considering that's when hardware sales start ramping up people tend to spend a bit more on different releases.

Look at the other quasi-RPGs that were released during the hoiday season for 2008 in the October frame and did very very well, Fallout 3 and Fable II.

I understand it doesn't want to compete directly with one of its own (ME3), but it could have been released a few months before.

[Viyu]

Around after Thanksgiving--or in fact the Friday afterwards people hit the malls because sales start at that time.

[vEAch SUCKS]

hahaha gaider makes me laugh

[Steppenwolf]

David Gaider wrote...

Siradix wrote...
Is Gaider trying to make us compare it to Awakening? They were both released March.

I'm just saying that if one is looking for data to serve as proof of anything other than confirmation bias, you might want to take more factors into account. I recognize that some folks are going to take any statement by a developer that isn't a mea culpa as some kind of "denial of the truth", but I'd say we're well aware of how DA2 is selling and how much of a success or failure that is for our company and Dragon Age's future potential. Whether the lesson we've learned is the one you think it should be will remain to be seen, I guess. Hopefully so.

But the majority of DA2's first week sales were from pre-orders, and then the game saw a massive dropoff in week 2. So it's not like Origins at all in the sense that that title was new and unproven. DA2 only outsold Origins it's first week because of the success of Origins. So you may want to give Origins a leg up over 2 because of the release date, but that's canceled out by the fact that 2 is a sequel to a massively successful game.

[MadLaughter]

You know what game also shipped around this time and did well, Red Dead Redemption. 8 Million copies to date.

[SwordsmanofShadow]

One thing that isn't represented in any figure I have seen so far is: of all the sales so far, just how many people have actually completed the game. There are many who go a few hours in and just say 'forget it'. How many of those initial purchases have been traded in?

That can have a major impact on any future DA title. People who buy and don't like DA2 may very well turn their noses up at DA3.

[Bryy_Miller]

Tommy6860 wrote...
Bioware could have waited until this holday season to release DA2

Not really. It's clear that EA wanted the game out in the first to second quarter of the year. You don't shelve a finished product (and let's please not haggle over whether or not DA2 was "finished", because that really is besides the point) for nine months just to hit a holiday.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Yeah, Bryy has a point there. The video game world moves super fast and is harsh in it's views. DA 2, nine months from now would likely be much less profitable than it has been with the Spring release.

[steelfire_dragon]

this thread series should end up on

ATACK OF THE SHOW at the segment of EPIC FAIL!



can we please stop with the whatnot week sales threads.

[jds1bio]

These threads only seek an apology from BioWare for DA2, and a statement saying that DA2 is a bad game. Best of luck on this.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

You ignored part of what Bryy was saying and what I was going with. If the game was shelved, completed and finished, it would not still have people working on it. If it sat around stagnant for nine months, it would likely of pulled in less of a profit. I agree with this stance.

Now if the game was being worked on, perhaps it would be worth the nine month delay. But if they kept the limitations in game mechanics and combat, I still wouldn't buy it so it makes no difference to me. If EA gave them a budget and extra time to work on it, the game would be far more polished and sell better.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

jds1bio wrote...

These threads only seek an apology from BioWare for DA2, and a statement saying that DA2 is a bad game. Best of luck on this.

Yeah, that won't happen for at least five years. Why would a company shoot their own product down when they are still hoping on gaining revenue from it? Admitting that DA 2 has faults would be like intentionally driving your own car into a ditch just for the fun of it.

[astrallite]

Shelving a product for 9 months means no cash flow. That makes no sense. Bioware isn't filling their coffers with a MMO in the background or have insane cash reserves.