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[WilliamShatner]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

jds1bio wrote...

These threads only seek an apology from BioWare for DA2, and a statement saying that DA2 is a bad game. Best of luck on this.

Yeah, that won't happen for at least five years. Why would a company shoot their own product down when they are still hoping on gaining revenue from it? Admitting that DA 2 has faults would be like intentionally driving your own car into a ditch just for the fun of it.

Nah.  It'll 12 months from now when the pre-release hype for DA3 begins.

[Elhanan]

While on one hand I would like to return to the days of "We will be ready when we are ready", with the other I simply want to Gibbs slap a grunch of you for crowing about doom in the face of those that simply make games.

Personally I hope the market improves for everyone, as the entertainment industry has been used as a general historic economic indicator, as well as a source of escape from the foggy moors of RL. And while some may scoff, bark, crow, and guffah over stats. I will choose to root for the ones that grant me such an escape, especially in the light of those in the farmyard are simply being animalistic in their way to the feeding trough.

And I for one do not consider 6.3 million as a small figure; would enjoy seeing it on my own income forms.

Modifié par Elhanan, 29 avril 2011 - 05:22 .

[Arasthor]

David Gaider wrote...

Not to suggest anything beyond this, but if one is going to compare the sales of the two games one might also wish to take into account the fact that Origins was released shortly before Christmas. Beyond that, whatever extrapolations you wish to make are up to you.

1- It was released November 3, which is a month and 22 days away

2- Your ignoring the fact that Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 came out 1 week later. Yeah CoD, those guys that you were targeting because they sold 7 million or so in the first week compared to DA:O that sold like 500k. Seriously, when a CoD title comes out a week apart from your game, your bound not to sell that much.

Compare that to DA2 that had barely any other game worth anything coming out any time soon, you kinda wonder why its selling so little.

[UltiPup]

Because people are whiny ****es that threw their hands in the air that DA2 was different from their beloved Origins and proceeded to make sure that the game failed by making harsh reviews and ignoring anything good about the game?

Just a speculation, mind you...

[Bryy_Miller]

Lesdeth wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...

Hypocrites, all of you.

You first complained that DA2 was "dumbed down for the masses," claiming this to be the source of the game's initial success. You complained that BioWare "sold out," pandering to the larger market and compromising their artistic integrity in the process. You said that sales figures didn't matter because, at the core, BioWare had failed to produce a quality product.

Now that the numbers are on your side, however, suddenly they matter. Suddenly they are a basis on which BioWare should make decisions. What's more is that now, whether or not you realize it, you are the "masses" to which you hope BioWare will pander. You are the ones asking them to compromise their artistic integrity and make games the way you want them to, not the way they want to, in order to make more money and be more successful and popular.

You are all children.

Point me to one user who said all of that.  Everyone has opinions.  This is an essential quality to grasp in order for you to comprehend existence.

Wow, can you be any more rude and dismissive?

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

They are both pretty rude and dismissive, but, if I had to take a side at least Lesdeth is responding to rudeness with rudeness. Maverick is claiming everyone is a hypocrite, a claim that doesn't have really any proof backing it in his/her arguement.

[Corto81]

UltiPup wrote...

Because people are whiny ****es that threw their hands in the air that DA2 was different from their beloved Origins and proceeded to make sure that the game failed by making harsh reviews and ignoring anything good about the game?

Just a speculation, mind you...

Yeah, you're right.

Millions of people who bought DA:O refuse to have fun in DA2 out of spite.

Seriously? That's your line of reasoning?

[Elhanan]

Arasthor wrote...

1- It was released November 3, which is a month and 22 days away

Shortly before Black Friday, and later than some shops place Santa, Rudolph, and snowflakes in the aisles.

2- Your ignoring the fact that Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 came out 1 week later. Yeah CoD, those guys that you were targeting because they sold 7 million or so in the first week compared to DA:O that sold like 500k. Seriously, when a CoD title comes out a week apart from your game, your bound not to sell that much.

Compare that to DA2 that had barely any other game worth anything coming out any time soon, you kinda wonder why its selling so little.

Cause the matket is down?

http://www.gamasutra...re_In_March.php

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Corto81 wrote...

UltiPup wrote...

Because people are whiny ****es that threw their hands in the air that DA2 was different from their beloved Origins and proceeded to make sure that the game failed by making harsh reviews and ignoring anything good about the game?

Just a speculation, mind you...

Yeah, you're right.

Millions of people who bought DA:O refuse to have fun in DA2 out of spite.

Seriously? That's your line of reasoning?

I'm sure he's gone back to his Clockwork Orange program to help the rest of humanity understand how to be good and decent human beings that will nod obediently like bobblehead dolls.

[Boiny Bunny]

Elhanan wrote...

Arasthor wrote...

1- It was released November 3, which is a month and 22 days away

Shortly before Black Friday, and later than some shops place Santa, Rudolph, and snowflakes in the aisles.

2- Your ignoring the fact that Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 came out 1 week later. Yeah CoD, those guys that you were targeting because they sold 7 million or so in the first week compared to DA:O that sold like 500k. Seriously, when a CoD title comes out a week apart from your game, your bound not to sell that much.

Compare that to DA2 that had barely any other game worth anything coming out any time soon, you kinda wonder why its selling so little.

Cause the matket is down?

http://www.gamasutra...re_In_March.php

Not sure if you bothered to read the link that you posted there, but here's a snippet:

"Frazier attributes the dip [~15%] largely to multiple best-sellers released last March, including Final Fantasy XIII, Battlefield: Bad Company 2 and God of War 3."

[Elhanan]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Not sure if you bothered to read the link that you posted there, but here's a snippet:

"Frazier attributes the dip [~15%] largely to multiple best-sellers released last March, including Final Fantasy XIII, Battlefield: Bad Company 2 and God of War 3."

Perhaps I missed that due to the more pressing concerns of tsunami's, tornadoes, nuclear hiccups, etc. No economist here, but would think that some global and local catastrophes and upheavals might come into play as far as spending bucks on video games....

[TRUTHMACHINE]

simonc4175 wrote...

abaris wrote...

simonc4175 wrote...

Only Bioware and EA will actually the know the real amount of units sold.

But if they were significantly higher than the featured figures, EA and Bioware would fire press release after press release to prove them wrong.

Anyone with basic CSS/HTML knowledge can produce a nice looking website and claim what they say is the "truth".

People should actually want this game be a sucess as more and more developers are backing out from producing games for the PC.

If PC game sales decline that it's entirely possible that Bioware won't release PC titles in the future.

The chances are DA2 has a high piracy rate as most newly released games do.

Persoanlly I'd like to see other developers do PC releases but if the "haters" want to see a game fail then that's their perogitive.

no. we should want this game to fail, as it seems to be failing. thats the only hope we have that they'll go back to the deep rpg style of DAO.

[Akka le Vil]

David Gaider wrote...

Not to suggest anything beyond this, but if one is going to compare the sales of the two games one might also wish to take into account the fact that Origins was released shortly before Christmas. Beyond that, whatever extrapolations you wish to make are up to you.

We should also take into account the fact that DA2 MASSIVELY benefitted from the name of its predecessor, too, which considerably improved the amount of sales it got...

[abaris]

UltiPup wrote...

Because people are whiny ****es that threw their hands in the air that DA2 was different from their beloved Origins and proceeded to make sure that the game failed by making harsh reviews and ignoring anything good about the game?

Just a speculation, mind you...

The game mags rated it top notch. And a few "whiners" certainly don't make or break a product. Reputation is earned and so is negative reputation.

[0x30A88]

I hope Bioware takes this as a hint of what ideas DA3 should follow.

This game is at least a 7-8 / 10 in my opinion.

1. remove bu'on-"awesome" connection, as it is excessive and gets boring fast. Keep the animations somewhat realistic
2. balance the enemies to not look like fools barely able to hold a weapon. Origins did that and it made the game really good in terms of balance.
3. remove spawning enemies and at least limit the exploding bodies to the walking bomb spell.
4. spend at least 3-4 years rmaking the next game
5. ???
6. profit + future profit.

Modifié par Gisle Aune, 29 avril 2011 - 07:44 .

[Dial_595]

Elhanan wrote...

Arasthor wrote...

1- It was released November 3, which is a month and 22 days away

Shortly before Black Friday, and later than some shops place Santa, Rudolph, and snowflakes in the aisles.

Which, unlike McDonalds and alot of other stuff, including EA, does not exist outside of the US.

[Jerrybnsn]

Mantaal wrote...

Vice-Admiral von Titsling wrote...

Apollo Starflare wrote...
Except trolls in general (not just 4chan) have long since made metacritic user scores pointless for almost any game

Give me a break. Metacritic scores are usually very reasonable.

Didnt you have heard the News?
Metacritic isnt accurate anymore. That changed when DA2 got bad scores.
This Magicly transformed the "Wait for the Critic that really matters for DA2 on Metacritic" peoples into "Metacritic is pointless since ... ever!!" 

Cant remember the Name but both statements are from the same person in this forum.

I will believe the user score more than the game review score anyday.  They tried to make a case last week how messed up the user score was by citing all the negative reviews for Portal 2, they even wrote an article about it, but after being out for more than a week it's a 7 to 1 favor of positive reviews over negative.  So I ended up buying the game and it's very enjoyable. (still no Dragon Age Origins though)

[astrallite]

The user scores on metacritic for portal 2 was in the high 7s though and is stabilizing in the low 8s. That's completely different than 4s and 5s for DA2.

The last AAA sequel on metacritic that took bomb reviews was Modern Warfare 2, for, surprise surprise, "streamlining" and removing features. Nobody of course, said it was due to 4chan raids. Of course. Only Dragon Age 2, of all the Bioware games ever, is hated on by 4chan. Therefore the user scores are compromised. QED.

Modifié par astrallite, 29 avril 2011 - 08:30 .

[Elhanan]

Dial_595 wrote...

Which, unlike McDonalds and alot of other stuff, including EA, does not exist outside of the US.

Really? No day after Thanksgiving there, huh? Sorry 'bout that. Just a Friday a day closer to Christmas, and all that it entails, I guess. Or don't folks outside the US have shopping for Christmas either?

[Jerrybnsn]

Elhanan wrote...

Dial_595 wrote...

Which, unlike McDonalds and alot of other stuff, including EA, does not exist outside of the US.

Really? No day after Thanksgiving there, huh? Sorry 'bout that. Just a Friday a day closer to Christmas, and all that it entails, I guess. Or don't folks outside the US have shopping for Christmas either?

I'm willing to guess they probably don't have Thanksgiving outside the U.S. either.

[Jerrybnsn]

astrallite wrote...

The last AAA sequel on metacritic that took bomb reviews was Modern Warfare 2, for, surprise surprise, "streamlining" and removing features. Nobody of course, said it was due to 4chan raids. Of course. Only Dragon Age 2, of all the Bioware games ever, is hated on by 4chan. Therefore the user scores are compromised. QED.

MW2 was not as good as the first one, although it did have better graphics and they made a great multiplayer game out of it.  My big problem with it was that it had such an overthetop plot that it definitly needed more background stories to make it understandable, rather than it's simple six hour game play given to it. So I can see why a lot of fans were upset by it.

[Elhanan]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

I'm willing to guess they probably don't have Thanksgiving outside the U.S. either.

Well, they do; just might call it something else. like Thursday. Good catch!

*Q: Do the British have July 4th? A: Yep; just do not tend to celebrate it*

[abaris]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

I'm willing to guess they probably don't have Thanksgiving outside the U.S. either.

Not as an official holyday, but it is known. It's older than the USA after all and goes back to the pagan times when you thanked the gods for this years harvest.

And christmas is christmas all over the (christian influenced) world. It doesn't matter how you call certain days, its THE shopping season of the years, lasting about 4 to 5 weeks.

[Foolsfolly]

Akka le Vil wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Not to suggest anything beyond this, but if one is going to compare the sales of the two games one might also wish to take into account the fact that Origins was released shortly before Christmas. Beyond that, whatever extrapolations you wish to make are up to you.

We should also take into account the fact that DA2 MASSIVELY benefitted from the name of its predecessor, too, which considerably improved the amount of sales it got...

That's a good point. DA:O may have come out in time for the holidays but it was an under-advertised game and the first in a new series. To drum up any kind of support for the game they had to keep stressing it's a 'spiritual successor' to a game that came out a decade before it.

And the game sold really well and the ratings were really good. Word of mouth spread and others were sucked in. DA2 had a better advertising campaign and brand recognition since it was a sequel.

So....ya know, the Christmas thing does play into this but so does the fact that this is a sequel to a highly successful and critically acclaimed game.

[Jerrybnsn]

abaris wrote...

Not as an official holyday, but it is known. It's older than the USA after all and goes back to the pagan times when you thanked the gods for this years harvest.

Thanksgiving in the U.S. wasn't an official holiday either.  The first time it was officially celebrate as a nation was in 1864 when President Abraham Lincoln announced a day of Thanksgiving that he won the presidental election thus continuing the Civil War. And that was on the last Thursday of November because that's how long it took to find out the election results.  It wasn't until the 1930s that Franklin Delanor Roosevelt created an annul day of thanksgiving because of the Great Depression so that Americans could have something to celebrate.  The pilgrims legend of giving thanks was connected to this.  And now we have Black Friday, the day after Thanksgiving, that has such huge sales people will stand outside for hours in the early morning waiting to pick up their favorite Dragon Age game.