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[michaelius_pl]

David Gaider wrote...

Cowboy_christo wrote...
And also with actual competition during that time.

Despite the competition, it's simply a fact that games receive a huge boost during the Christmas season.

That and the fact that Origins also sold awesomely because it was an awesome game.

I doubt that kind of information is really what you're after, however, so I'll leave you to your discussion.

I guess that's as close as Bioware will get to admitting they released crappy rushed game which was "streamlined" to the point where instead of bringing new fanbase it alienated Bioware faithfull consumers.

[Jerrybnsn]

I was looking at the Modern Warfare 2 sale chart, a game which game out a week after Origins, and during the Christmas season it was steadily dropping week by week, whereas Origins was steadily rising.

How do we explain that? Maybe because it sold 6 million units in the first week?

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 29 avril 2011 - 09:13 .

[Foolsfolly]

michaelius_pl wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Cowboy_christo wrote...
And also with actual competition during that time.

Despite the competition, it's simply a fact that games receive a huge boost during the Christmas season.

That and the fact that Origins also sold awesomely because it was an awesome game.

I doubt that kind of information is really what you're after, however, so I'll leave you to your discussion.

I guess that's as close as Bioware will get to admitting they released crappy rushed game which was "streamlined" to the point where instead of bringing new fanbase it alienated Bioware faithfull consumers.

It has nothing to do with DA2. It's likely just telling fans, "I don't hate Origins." A lot of fans got the feeling that BioWare hates Origins because of the marketing period of DA2. Where in every interview, without exception, the dev being interviewed bad talked Origins in some way in order to talk up DA2.

I understand why you'd do that, but even after bad reviews started showing up around the net the devs continued to bad talk Origins in defense of the new game.

I never believed they disliked the old game. I honestly thought it was just a marketing ploy. But many fans tended to take it rather personally that their favorite game was getting bad talked by the very people who made it.

[Sabriana]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

abaris wrote...

Not as an official holyday, but it is known. It's older than the USA after all and goes back to the pagan times when you thanked the gods for this years harvest.

Thanksgiving in the U.S. wasn't an official holiday either.  The first time it was officially celebrate as a nation was in 1864 when President Abraham Lincoln announced a day of Thanksgiving that he won the presidental election thus continuing the Civil War. And that was on the last Thursday of November because that's how long it took to find out the election results.  It wasn't until the 1930s that Franklin Delanor Roosevelt created an annul day of thanksgiving because of the Great Depression so that Americans could have something to celebrate.  The pilgrims legend of giving thanks was connected to this.  And now we have Black Friday, the day after Thanksgiving, that has such huge sales people will stand outside for hours in the early morning waiting to pick up their favorite Dragon Age game.

Thanks for the info. I had no idea what "Black Friday" meant, I had to look it up. We don't have that over here. We have the Christmas Markets but sales are not the norm for them. On the contrary. They seem to charge extra for merchandise because it's an event. The markets also don't start up until into December.

Thanksgiving is celebrated here since way back when, and is strictly a community/religious holiday. It is always on Sunday. This year it falls on Oct 2nd. It's purpose is to give thanks for the harvest, and to pray for the next one.

As for advertisement, for me, personally, the ad-campaign for DA:O was a low-point. It made me doubt that I really wanted the game. Especially that awful song, I really dislike the artist. But being on the forums, and listening to everything and everyone, plus the idea of a brand-new fantasy world build from the bottom up was the selling point for me. My intense dislike for WotC only added to that.

[Foolsfolly]

Thanks for the info. I had no idea what "Black Friday" meant, I had to look it up. We don't have that over here. We have the Christmas Markets but sales are not the norm for them. On the contrary. They seem to charge extra for merchandise because it's an event. The markets also don't start up until into December.

Do you have Cyber Monday? That's the best shopping day of the year. That's when I got DA:O brand new for like 35 bucks because of some crazy awesome sale.

[Dial_595]

Elhanan wrote...

Dial_595 wrote...

Which, unlike McDonalds and alot of other stuff, including EA, does not exist outside of the US.

Really? No day after Thanksgiving there, huh? Sorry 'bout that. Just a Friday a day closer to Christmas, and all that it entails, I guess. Or don't folks outside the US have shopping for Christmas either?

We do, we just don't have a set date for it like you folks do. We don't celebrate thanksgiving either. Though I don't know if the UK does in some small part. There's no major holiday leading up to Christmas in the EU AFAIK.

And where I'm at (in 2 countries at the same time, don't ask) you won't Thanksgiving marked in any calendar whatsoever. You will find Halloween though, but we still don't celebrate it at the same time as the US and it's not certainly in the same form - in fact we don't celebrate it "properly" at all. It's just a day with a date marked in the calendar.

Anyways, the funniest Black Friday thing I saw this year was Apple trying to push Ipad-accessories, in a nicely translated (into my local language) newsletter and all - only problem was that the Ipad was more than a month away from being officially released here... Central Corporate Communication Fail.

Modifié par Dial_595, 29 avril 2011 - 09:39 .

[Jerrybnsn]

You've gone to far man-giraffe.

[Jerrybnsn]

Can't somebody stop this madness?!!

[Jerrybnsn]

anyway

sales are way down

[aftohsix]

Hey guys guess what! CRAZY NEWS! Something that came out 7 weeks ago isn't selling as much as it did when it was brand new!!!

Is this the end of Bioware?

Or just the end of logic.

[darkshadow136]

rak72 wrote...

I just want to say, regarding the timing of release & when & why I purchasesd both games: I bought DAO in Jan 2010 based on very good reviews that I was seeing. I loved the game & couldn't put it down for over a year. I preordered DA2 based on how much I loved DAO, so my copy of DA2 is reflected in those 1st week of sales stats.

So I guess my point is - don't underestimate the power of the review, and the first week of sales is probably more a testiment to DAO than DA2.

Agreed Rak72 I bought DAO for the same reasons the reviews, and then purchase DA2 because of how much I loved DAO. I never would have thought that Bioware would have screwed the pooch, and messed up an epic franchise like they did. Like the saying goes if it aint broke don't fix it, and the formula for Dragon age was perfect from the start, and they should have stayed with that.

[Tommy6860]

aftohsix wrote...

Hey guys guess what! CRAZY NEWS! Something that came out 7 weeks ago isn't selling as much as it did when it was brand new!!!

Is this the end of Bioware?

Or just the end of logic.

It is not the end of Bioware, but when speaking relatively to Origins same week sales, they're substantial in differences. On Origin's 7th week, it outsold DA2 exponentially. In fact Origins had its 2nd biggest weekly sales on its 8th week.. If you just go by the 7 week relative sales just on the 360 version alone, Origins sold nearly 10x what DA2 did for that same week. It's clear the initial big sales of DA2 were from pre-orders, not on the quality of the game that would have it carry over into multiple weeks of reasonably sustained numbers. I think a lot of Origins players, even on the console versions, abandoned purchasing the game because of the changes.


Week seven sales:

360 - Origins  153,855
360 - DA2        15,939

Total sale after seven weeks:

360 -   1,122,954
360 -    686,119

Modifié par Tommy6860, 29 avril 2011 - 12:08 .

[RPGmom28]

I was one of the people that pre-ordered DA2. But when my stepfather who is a console gamer asked me what I was playing lately, and I mentioned that I was playing DA2, he said that he was told by the guys at the gaming store not to bother with DA2 because it sucked and wasn't even really a RPG. If people who are selling the games tell customers not to buy it because they themselves are gamers and have already formed an opinion, I can see why that would impact sales. While I have a special place in my heart for DA:O and have it up on the best games of all time pedestal, I do still play DA2- but that's neither here nor there.

[Droma]

yeah but these retailers are just stupid. it's honorable to try to warn someone of a certain product, but you don't do that like "this sucks and everyone hates it", that's just stupid. they can say this a common complains about the game and this and that is good or something like that, but just because they themself disliked the game doesn't mean everyone else also must hate the game. just retarded imo. maybe your stepfather would have liked it, but he will never know if he doesn't play it himself.

retailers who tell people not to buy stuff, because they themself dislike the product should be fired. you can warn people about this and that and be honest but never generalize your own opinion.

Modifié par Droma, 29 avril 2011 - 01:04 .

[nopho]

Droma wrote...

yeah but these retailers are just stupid. it's honorable to try to warn someone of a certain product, but you don't do that like "this sucks and everyone hates it", that's just stupid. they can say this a common complains about the game and this and that is good or something like that, but just because they themself disliked the game doesn't mean everyone else also must hate the game. just retarded imo. maybe your stepfather would have liked it, but he will never know if he doesn't play it himself.

retailers who tell people not to buy stuff, because they themself dislike the product should be fired. you can warn people about this and that and be honest but never generalize your own opinion.

i disagree.
i bought the game on amazon as i know no pure gameshops close to me. but a shop with people who warn me from games i might not like is a shop wich will generate one more loyal customer and this will pay of for them in the long run (as i have 4different ways of buying games atm, and such help would reduce that to 1)

as for might have liked the game, yes he might have, he also might have found it a waste of his time and money. what i guess the shoppeople did was warn him that if you buy DA2 because you think "DA:O was awesome" or "escapist gave it 100%" then you might be on the wrong track here as i guess everyone who is not trolling would agree that this game had issues wich many people can not just cast away as easy as others.

[TomY90]

man he is sad has no freetime at all

[Jerrybnsn]

say...whatever happened to man-giraffe dog?
You just don't here from him very much anymore.

[Steppenwolf]

astrallite wrote...

The user scores on metacritic for portal 2 was in the high 7s though and is stabilizing in the low 8s. That's completely different than 4s and 5s for DA2.

The last AAA sequel on metacritic that took bomb reviews was Modern Warfare 2, for, surprise surprise, "streamlining" and removing features. Nobody of course, said it was due to 4chan raids. Of course. Only Dragon Age 2, of all the Bioware games ever, is hated on by 4chan. Therefore the user scores are compromised. QED.

And if you read /v/ they actually dislike Origins overall as well. They're hipsters more than anything and will hate any game made by a major studio regardless. However, DA2 is the only game that uses 4chan as an excuse for low review scores.

[abaris]

BasilKarlo wrote...

And if you read /v/ they actually dislike Origins overall as well. They're hipsters more than anything and will hate any game made by a major studio regardless. However, DA2 is the only game that uses 4chan as an excuse for low review scores.

Did I get that right? Metacritic users disliked Origins?

I would say its a far cry between 4.3 for DAII and 8.3 for Origins.

[nopho]

abaris wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

And if you read /v/ they actually dislike Origins overall as well. They're hipsters more than anything and will hate any game made by a major studio regardless. However, DA2 is the only game that uses 4chan as an excuse for low review scores.

Did I get that right? Metacritic users disliked Origins?

I would say its a far cry between 4.3 for DAII and 8.3 for Origins.

no, it went like this

a: "most people do not like da2"
b: "thats not true. metacritic will tell you wrong"
....
a: "metacritic dosn't like da2"
b: "thats just the kids from 4chan"

[Monica83]

Ouch... Nopho strikes the point... i agree with her

[Steppenwolf]

nopho wrote...

abaris wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

And if you read /v/ they actually dislike Origins overall as well. They're hipsters more than anything and will hate any game made by a major studio regardless. However, DA2 is the only game that uses 4chan as an excuse for low review scores.

Did I get that right? Metacritic users disliked Origins?

I would say its a far cry between 4.3 for DAII and 8.3 for Origins.

no, it went like this

a: "most people do not like da2"
b: "thats not true. metacritic will tell you wrong"
....
a: "metacritic dosn't like da2"
b: "thats just the kids from 4chan"

This is exactly my point. I didn't think it would be hard to gather...
I'm referring to 4chan's users disliking both games but only the one getting lambasted on metacritic.

[Corto81]

Tommy6860 wrote...

aftohsix wrote...

Hey guys guess what! CRAZY NEWS! Something that came out 7 weeks ago isn't selling as much as it did when it was brand new!!!

Is this the end of Bioware?

Or just the end of logic.

It is not the end of Bioware, but when speaking relatively to Origins same week sales, they're substantial in differences. On Origin's 7th week, it outsold DA2 exponentially. In fact Origins had its 2nd biggest weekly sales on its 8th week.. If you just go by the 7 week relative sales just on the 360 version alone, Origins sold nearly 10x what DA2 did for that same week. It's clear the initial big sales of DA2 were from pre-orders, not on the quality of the game that would have it carry over into multiple weeks of reasonably sustained numbers. I think a lot of Origins players, even on the console versions, abandoned purchasing the game because of the changes.


Week seven sales:

360 - Origins  153,855
360 - DA2        15,939

Total sale after seven weeks:

360 -   1,122,954
360 -    686,119

Exactly.

DA:O got great reviews generally speaking and fans/players liked it and it got excellent word-of-mouth recommendatins.
It sold very good for an extended period of time.

DA2, on the other hand, had a strong start BECAUSE of the original game, but failed to deliver, and the sales dropped very quickly. And I don't see how they'll recover either.

[Gotholhorakh]

Droma wrote...

yeah but these retailers are just stupid. it's honorable to try to warn someone of a certain product, but you don't do that like "this sucks and everyone hates it", that's just stupid. they can say this a common complains about the game and this and that is good or something like that, but just because they themself disliked the game doesn't mean everyone else also must hate the game. just retarded imo.

Yeah, but those games shop staff are living in the real world, away from the sycophant stazi on these forums who insist everyone should pretend the game's great because they enjoyed it.

As such, they're free to give their informed opinions after playing the games and talking to lots of gamers -
I'd rather be saved from buying a stinker by a girl saying "everyone we
sell this to tells us they hated it and it has 2.5 stars on $reviewsite" than not.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 29 avril 2011 - 05:08 .

[Gotholhorakh]

Edit fail.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 29 avril 2011 - 05:07 .