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[CroGamer002]

They're not squadmates.

[darthbuert]

Why do people automatically assume that because Kasumi and Zaeed were introduced as DLC characters that this will somehow limit their involvement in the third game? Just because some people made the conscious decision not to purchase those DLC packs for whatever their personal reasons, doesn't mean that they are any less valid a squaddie or character than any of the others, or that they cannot be included in the core game in any type of meaningful way...Especially in Kasumi's case. The implication in her mission was made that she has the capacity to provide valuable if not incriminating evidence of the Alliance...possibly related to Reaper activity. Why would they bring up such an intriguing story-thread and just leave it hanging? That would be tantamount to giving all the folks that supported their efforts and buying the packs a big middle-finger.

I'm surprised nobody has brought up the fact that all characters in the games have at one time or another had an introduction of sorts. How else would we come to know them? Why can't the same be true of Kasumi and Zaeed? Who says that Bioware cannot simply imply that sometime during Shepard's (as a spectre gallivanting throughout the cosmos) past exploits, has met up with several people through which helped him out on various occasions? They can easily give them an "official-jump on point".

Admittedly things aren't looking too good as regards to appearances with them as we've so far seen no confirmation that they will even be in it, let alone as a squad-mate...but regardless, I cross my fingers.

Modifié par darthbuert, 29 avril 2011 - 06:06 .

[CroGamer002]

^Problem with Kasumi is that you can destroy greybox.

She could do something big if you let her keep greybox but that still wouldn't make her squadmate.

[CroGamer002]

/shameless bump made

[JeffZero]

I still say taking a few of the ME1/2 squadmates and giving then NPC status on the ship would do an okay job at appeasing the fandoms of less enthusiastically-received/DLC characters.

Jacob brushing up all the shiny new armory supplies while teaching you the ways of deep customization and getting back with his 'contacts' to offer certain mods would serve him nicely. Kasumi could remain present for those who picked her up while not tilting the effects too terribly in favor of her presence by just being on the ship, conducting 'espionage' stuff which the player probably wouldn't have much input with.

[Phaedon]

How did I miss this thread?

Excellent, Mesina!

[CroGamer002]

Phaedon wrote...

How did I miss this thread?

Excellent, Mesina!

[Clonedzero]

Kaidan / Ashley - recently turned spectre, probably assigned to make sure you dont go crazy and blow up more star systems. like a "assist commander shepard, but if he does anything out of line relive him of command and take over" type situation.

Garrus - he's your bro, he's been with you through the whole thing, so yeah. he was my true second in command in ME2. hopefully he's got alot more dialogue though.

Liara - much more interesting character now that she's all grown up. more useful now that she's the shadowbroker as well. i could see her running her shadowbroker stuff remotely from on board the normandy with feron running things from her ship. assuming she provides lots of intel.

Miranda - Loyal to shepard, especially if you blow up the collector base. she quits to follow you. since cerberus is going to be a big bad guy provider she can help you dodge them, fight them and give you info about them.

Jacob - well, uh? he's not especially useful or interesting, i hope they tweak his personality alitle bit to make him more interesting. if he makes a full return that is. he can be your ships gun cleaning dude again. hopefully they make him alot less professional.

Mordin - now i might be bias since he's one of my absolute favorites, but i really hope he makes a full return and serves as your scientist on the ship again. though i can easily see him being reduced to cameo status on the saliarian homeworld. seriously though, he needs to return

Grunt - he's not very story relevant in any capacity. but you're his battlemaster, he respects and likes you, so i dont see any reason for him not to come back. maybe joining Wrex to unite the clans?

Wrex- he's the king of the krogan and i hope he stays there. as much as i love him he should only be a temporary squadie when you go deal with the krogans. maybe Wrex can recruit Grunt to serve as his protege, shape grunt into a great leader of krogans or something? i'd like to see Wrex take grunt under his wing, be like a father figure to him or something i dunno.

Thane - i hope he's dead. i like him and all. he's a good character. but his entire story arch in ME2 was about how he was DYING. it'd be really lame if they back peddled on that and cured him or something.

Samara - not really important in any way at all. no real reason to continue following you. cameo on asari homeworld?

Tali - hopefully she actually gets the job title "chief engineer" this time. maybe she can play a big role in the quarian / geth issue. as a combat squaddie i was never convinced she should be in combat, but she's got a big enough fanbase that it'd be really hard NOT for her to be a full squadmate, and theres no reason for her not to be one.

Legion - serving as your geth liaison perhaps? seems to have an interest in shepard but doesnt really understand why.

Jack - hopefully matured and less crazy. maybe depending on how you treated her in ME2? because she could be MUCH different depending how you treat her there. if you help her with her baggage then she could return to help you since you're the only real friend she has. or maybe if you didnt then she's just a cameo?

Zaeed/Kasumi - i put them together because they're very insignificant as actual characters. both are DLC, so im guessing sidequest dealing with them? Zaeeds dealing with vido and Kasumi dealing with the blackbox thinger.

i think thats all of them.

[Wuartz]

My theories:

Jacob Taylor - This character is known to be the most uninteresting and boring, so I think Bioware will have to update him. A new design. He will maybe have an accident in ME3 that ends up with him losing some of his body parts, and gets a cybernetic-upgrade. A robot arm and leg, maybe? This opens up a lot of conversations with him, how he feel about his new body, what he misses and such.

Miranda Lawson - I think she'll continue to serve the Illusive Man and Cerberus for the first half of the game. Cerberus has helped her a lot, after all. But when she realizes that Cerberus tries to kill Shepard, and is not helping the others to fight against the reapers, she will help Shepard defeat the Illusive Man at one point in the game, and joins Shepard. With Shepard and the Alliance, she will feel powerless because she's not second-in-command anymore, and the conversations with her will probably be about her missing Cerberus and Illusive Man, and complain about Kaidan/Ashley being the new right-hand. (Please, please, let there be a catfigt!). But after a while, she'll get more comfortable in the new settings, and will help Shepard again.

Garrus Vakarian - Away in the beginning to check up on his family that lives on Palaven's moon, there will be a mission where he and Shepard tries to save his sister from danger on Palaven, and helping the turians fight the reapers. After that he'll join Shepard for the rest of the game.

Mordin Solus - On the salarian homeworld, where he's a part of the genophage plot. As many suggested, I also think he's too old to be fighting against the reapers, and will work on the Normandy as the scientist, trying to find a way to defeat the reapers, creating new weapons and shields after the genophage plot is done.

Jack - As confirmed, she'll be more mature and calmer this time around. After the suicide mission she's now a free woman, and she will try to start pirating again. However, she can't stop thinking about Shepard and the reapers, and is now trying to find him/her again so she can help him/her fight the reapers.

Grunt - Back on Tuchanka, Grunt has formed an alliance with Wrex/Wreav, to help them cure the genophage. But when the reapers come, the krogan will have to escape their home planet, and try a different strategy. While Wrex/Wreav is about uniting the krogan so there won't be more cival wars, Grunt is trying to do something about the genophage, and travels to the salarian homeworld for help. But his hatred for salarians has grown stronger, and when he starts killing salarians when they ignore him, he is sent to prison. This is where Shepard comes into the picture. Shepard have to free Grunt so he can join his/her team again, and solve the genophage problem with the help of Mordin.

Tali'Zorah vas Normandy - The Quarian-Geth war is starting, and Tali is now a member of the admiralty board. Based on Shepard's opinion, she either with or against the war, so she'll either form an alliance with Admiral Gerrel or Admiral Koris. She'll come with Shepard when he/she visits the quarian homeworld, and when the war is dealt with, she'll rejoin Shepard.

Thane Krios - Thane has returned to Kahje. He's dying, and he's refusing to use the medicine. If you helped him in the events of Mass Effect 2, he'll be more willing to not give up, but it's still not enough. On Kahje you have to cheer him up somehow. Make him meet his son again, get him a new lover (don't need to do this if you romanced him, lol) and ask the hanar if they can somehow make his life better. If you succeed, he'll rejoin you. If not...
you'll go to his funeral, and thank him for all he's done.

Samara - Representing the asari, she'll probably have a plot on Thessia. I'm to tired to write anything right now, but being paragon or renegade might influence how she will treat you. Probably not a squadmate later, but will help (or fight) Shepard somehow.

Morinth - I don't think she'll forget what you did to her on Omega. You just saved her from getting killed by her mother that she's been escaping from for years. However, I don't think she cares about the reapers, and will probably do something bad, that will result in you killing her in a battle. Or maybe Aria is after her, idk.

Legion - After the events of Mass Effect 2, Legion has left the squad and returns to the qurian homeworld, helping his people fight against the creators. If your paragon, and Tali is against the war, the two of them can be on the same squad. However, if you're renegade, Tali won't allow Legion onto the ship, and you have to choose between them. Also, rewriting the heretics in ME2 will make the geth stronger, so the quarians will have a harder time fighting them. If you blew up the heretics, the geth will be fewer.

Zaeed Massani - If you killed Vido, Zaeed joins the Alliance out of boredom and gets promoted to a general. He works alongside Hackett, and is helping you behind the scenes. If you didn't kill Vido, you'll find him on a bar on Earth, drunk and depressed. If you decide to once again help him find Vido, who's without Zaeed's knowledge surprisingly close to the bar, he'll finally kill Vido, and uses his last moments of his life on Earth to fight the reapers and saving many human lives. He sadly dies by the end of the misson, but he's still happy he got his revenge in the end. (If you decide not to help him, he'll die in the bar when it gets destroyed by a reaper)

Kasumi Goto - (I'll come back to this later, if this post gets appreciated. )

Wow, that took a long time to write. This is how I hope it will turn out, and I hope you like my ideas.

[Clonedzero]

why does everyone keep saying mordin is too old? yeah i know salarians only live to be about 40, but mordins only in his early 30's, and i HIGHLY doubt salarians get feeble and weak in their 30's like an old human would. more realistically their bodies just give out around 40 due to hyper activity and a high metabolism.

there was absolutely no indication that mordin was getting too old for it. in fact its the opposite, he casually walks out of the middle of surgery and guns down entire squads of blue suns by himself? pretty sure he's fine.

[Wuartz]

Clonedzero wrote...

why does everyone keep saying mordin is too old? yeah i know salarians only live to be about 40, but mordins only in his early 30's, and i HIGHLY doubt salarians get feeble and weak in their 30's like an old human would. more realistically their bodies just give out around 40 due to hyper activity and a high metabolism.

there was absolutely no indication that mordin was getting too old for it. in fact its the opposite, he casually walks out of the middle of surgery and guns down entire squads of blue suns by himself? pretty sure he's fine.

I think most see it this way; if he's 30 years old, and dies when he's 40, he has lived 75% of his life.

In 2100, humans often live to 150. What is 75% of 150? 112 years old.
Should a 112 year old scientist run around with a gun?

[Clonedzero]

Wuartz wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

why does everyone keep saying mordin is too old? yeah i know salarians only live to be about 40, but mordins only in his early 30's, and i HIGHLY doubt salarians get feeble and weak in their 30's like an old human would. more realistically their bodies just give out around 40 due to hyper activity and a high metabolism.

there was absolutely no indication that mordin was getting too old for it. in fact its the opposite, he casually walks out of the middle of surgery and guns down entire squads of blue suns by himself? pretty sure he's fine.

I think most see it this way; if he's 30 years old, and dies when he's 40, he has lived 75% of his life.

In 2100, humans often live to 150. What is 75% of 150? 112 years old.
Should a 112 year old scientist run around with a gun?

well thats the thing, he's not a 112 year old human. is a 30ish year old saliaran. comparing ages doesnt really help. if you wanna go down that route, samara is something liek 700-800 years old, she's lived 75% or so of her life, should she be running around with a gun? YES.

especially based on how they describe their biology would make me think they only start getting "old and feeble" a yaer or two before they die of old age. i dont think they get old and wither like humans do, i think their bodies would just burn out all of a sudden around 40.

[Wuartz]

Clonedzero wrote...

Wuartz wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

why does everyone keep saying mordin is too old? yeah i know salarians only live to be about 40, but mordins only in his early 30's, and i HIGHLY doubt salarians get feeble and weak in their 30's like an old human would. more realistically their bodies just give out around 40 due to hyper activity and a high metabolism.

there was absolutely no indication that mordin was getting too old for it. in fact its the opposite, he casually walks out of the middle of surgery and guns down entire squads of blue suns by himself? pretty sure he's fine.

I think most see it this way; if he's 30 years old, and dies when he's 40, he has lived 75% of his life.

In 2100, humans often live to 150. What is 75% of 150? 112 years old.
Should a 112 year old scientist run around with a gun?

well thats the thing, he's not a 112 year old human. is a 30ish year old saliaran. comparing ages doesnt really help. if you wanna go down that route, samara is something liek 700-800 years old, she's lived 75% or so of her life, should she be running around with a gun? YES.

especially based on how they describe their biology would make me think they only start getting "old and feeble" a yaer or two before they die of old age. i dont think they get old and wither like humans do, i think their bodies would just burn out all of a sudden around 40.

Good points. I kind of agree now. And he's not just a scientist, he's also a former STG member.

[Perlicka]

Miranda Lawson - I think she'll continue to serve the Illusive Man and Cerberus 

If she is in your active squad on sm and you decide to destroy collector base she says that she is quitting

[Wuartz]

Perlicka wrote...

Miranda Lawson - I think she'll continue to serve the Illusive Man and Cerberus 

If she is in your active squad on sm and you decide to destroy collector base she says that she is quitting

She never quit offically. She could very well regret what she said just moments after. Cerberus has done a lot for her, and I don't think she would want to abandon them so quickly.

[CroGamer002]

Updated Garrus.

[_purifico_]

Clonedzero wrote...

Kaidan / Ashley - recently turned spectre, probably assigned to make sure you dont go crazy and blow up more star systems. like a "assist commander shepard, but if he does anything out of line relive him of command and take over" type situation.

Tro-lo-lo! I'd like to see those whimps try to relief Shepard of anything. No, I really do! That would be the most awesome and funny part of the game, not to mention a curb stomp battle. "I'll relinquish one bullet - where do you want it?"

Please Bioware, make it happen


Also, interesting read. ABout Grunt though - Why do people always assume that he will be trying to find a cure for the genophage? As far as I could tell Grunt didn't give a damn about it. He just didn't care.

Modifié par _purifico_, 09 mai 2011 - 08:50 .

[Clonedzero]

_purifico_ wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

Kaidan / Ashley - recently turned spectre, probably assigned to make sure you dont go crazy and blow up more star systems. like a "assist commander shepard, but if he does anything out of line relive him of command and take over" type situation.

Tro-lo-lo! I'd like to see those whimps try to relief Shepard of anything. No, I really do! That would be the most awesome and funny part of the game, not to mention a curb stomp battle. "I'll relinquish one bullet - where do you want it?"

Please Bioware, make it happen


Also, interesting read. ABout Grunt though - Why do people always assume that he will be trying to find a cure for the genophage? As far as I could tell Grunt didn't give a damn about it. He just didn't care.

oh i dont really think kaidan ashley would really try and relieve you of command or anything, those would just be their orders is all. but i think it'd be a good way to add some tension to the situation. like you're about to blow up a random moon to take out a reaper and ashley is like "i cant let you do that" and you're all like "shut up ashley"

i dont think i mentioned the genophage with grunt? i was talking about how i'd love to see Wrex take grunt under his wing. like for Wrex to turn into a father figure for Grunt.

[frylock23]

VS - I believe this has already been confirmed.  Depending on whether or not your Sheperd worked willingly with Cerberus and or romaced/stayed loyal to them, there are several different directions this relationship could take.  I highly doubt they'll be a SPECTRE, but they do equal Shep's rank in the Alliance as of ME2.  So, unless the Alliance decides to bump Shep's rank there are some interesting possibilities there.  It could be that they run the ship while Shep operates as a SPECTRE onboard making for some intersting sparks but giving the Alliance at least the illusion of control to satisfy some twitchy brass back home (echoes of Nihlus in ME1).

Jacob - I don't see many special reasons for Jacob to come back honestly.  I neither like or dislike the guy, but he really just sor of felt like a bit of a placeholder who might become a LI.  BioWare is going to have to work hard to come up with some reasons to bring him back when there are other ME2 squaddies that really do have much better integration into the story. See -

Miranda - She functioned as something of a right hand man, er, woman to the Illusive Man, but depending on how things fell out in ME2, she can throw over TIM for Shep.  Now Shep can royally tick off TIM, enough to make a TIM a very dangerous enemy.  I have no problem believing that Miri stays on with Shep.  I also have no problem believing that TIM blackmails the heck out Miri using her sister.  Who's to say that Miri doesn't ultimately wind up betraying or attempting to betray Shep because TIM has her sister?  After all, Miri used a lot of Cerberus assets to hide Oriana.

Garrus - Unlike most of Shep's other alien companions, Garrus doesn't have strong leadership ties to his entire race providing him with an excellent reason to be elsewhere doing important things.  Garrus is almost certain to be along with Shep for the ride.

Mordin - Mordin is a brilliant scientist who might have the key to the genophage.  He's also pretty elderly.  As fond as I am of Mordin, I don't expect to see him on my crew.  He's more valuable as a protected science asset working on both the genophage itself and on cracking the reapers.  I expect to see him in ME3, but it'll be in passing.  And while I expect there to be a cure for the genophage, I expect that the krogan will have to earn it by producing a stable social order.  Wrex is well on his way to that.

Tali - Tali will be very important in ME3, but I expect her to figure into the portions of the game surrounding the Migrant Fleet.  She is too closely tied to her people and they will be too important to defeating the Reapers for her to spend the entire game on my crew.  Therefore, I expect that there will be portions of the game where Tali will be with her people and unavailable to me with the possibility of a happy reunion at the end of the game.

Wrex/Wreave - I don't expect to have this one as a crew mate at all although there will be some important sequences where we discuss the need for the krogan to help in the war and possible reversal of the genophage afterward.

Legion - Will have a very similar role to Tali's, but he may figure more prominently in my crew thanks to the nature of the Geth and their ability to instantly communicate with one another across vast distances.

Grunt - I imagine he will be on Tuchanka although I may be wrong, but as with Jacob there just wasn't much special about him that would compel him to stay.

Jack - Everyone is talking about how she's maturing, but I remember the files that talked about her deteriorating neural condition caused by the experiments done on her.  If she is deteriorating, I doubt she's getting more stable and less violent.  She may only be getting worse as time goes on making her story a tragic one, but if that's the case, she's only to herself and everyone around her.  I can't see her making it into ME3 without some serious help.

Thane - He's terminally ill.  I would be disappointed if BioWare decides to give him the miracle cure at the 11th hour.  These things happen, and it would be weak to essentially give in to fan demands to save him.  I really do like Thane, but if you set someone up with a terminal, incurable disease, you really shouldn't cure him particularly when you're getting ready to set up a storyline in which you are saving the entire Universe from a cycle of mass extinction that has been carried out over and over again by an almost godlike race of sentient machines for an untold number of times in the past that has never been stopped by anyone .... until now.  Seriously, BioWare, just ... don't ... really.

Samara - No real reason to stay.

Liara - I'm not seeing her as a member of the crew although I do see her as someone you interact with on a regular basis.  You may go on a few missions with her, but she has to be careful about her identity as the Broker.  I got the sense that the Broker isn't exactly someone who runs around in public.

[CroGamer002]

frylock23 wrote...

Jacob - I don't see many special reasons for Jacob to come back honestly.  I neither like or dislike the guy, but he really just sor of felt like a bit of a placeholder who might become a LI.  BioWare is going to have to work hard to come up with some reasons to bring him back when there are other ME2 squaddies that really do have much better integration into the story. See -

He's a LI and he does have fanbase so he'll be in ME3. Also see what I wrote about him at OP.

Miranda - She functioned as something of a right hand man, er, woman to the Illusive Man, but depending on how things fell out in ME2, she can throw over TIM for Shep.  Now Shep can royally tick off TIM, enough to make a TIM a very dangerous enemy.  I have no problem believing that Miri stays on with Shep.  I also have no problem believing that TIM blackmails the heck out Miri using her sister.  Who's to say that Miri doesn't ultimately wind up betraying or attempting to betray Shep because TIM has her sister?  After all, Miri used a lot of Cerberus assets to hide Oriana.

If you choose to destroy CB and she's in your party, she quits Cerberus even unloyal.

Tali - Tali will be very important in ME3, but I expect her to figure into the portions of the game surrounding the Migrant Fleet.  She is too closely tied to her people and they will be too important to defeating the Reapers for her to spend the entire game on my crew.  Therefore, I expect that there will be portions of the game where Tali will be with her people and unavailable to me with the possibility of a happy reunion at the end of the game.

She can be exiled and still be loyal and LI.
Also it's confirmed she'll be permanent squadmate.

Grunt - I imagine he will be on Tuchanka although I may be wrong, but as with Jacob there just wasn't much special about him that would compel him to stay.

Read OP for that one.

Jack - Everyone is talking about how she's maturing, but I remember the files that talked about her deteriorating neural condition caused by the experiments done on her.  If she is deteriorating, I doubt she's getting more stable and less violent.  She may only be getting worse as time goes on making her story a tragic one, but if that's the case, she's only to herself and everyone around her.  I can't see her making it into ME3 without some serious help.

Hmh, PS3 Magazine said she's maturing.

Thane - He's terminally ill.  I would be disappointed if BioWare decides to give him the miracle cure at the 11th hour.  These things happen, and it would be weak to essentially give in to fan demands to save him.  I really do like Thane, but if you set someone up with a terminal, incurable disease, you really shouldn't cure him particularly when you're getting ready to set up a storyline in which you are saving the entire Universe from a cycle of mass extinction that has been carried out over and over again by an almost godlike race of sentient machines for an untold number of times in the past that has never been stopped by anyone .... until now.  Seriously, BioWare, just ... don't ... really.

Read OP.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Mesina2 wrote...
He's a LI and he does have fanbase so he'll be in ME3. Also see what I wrote about him at OP.

Not very big though...

[Raiil]

I can see everyone coming back in some capacity.

Just to note, Thane does have some viability left in him. Chakwas flat out says he needs to stay active in order to slow down the spread of Kepral's, so it actually makes sense for him to stay on, even as only a part-time squaddie. If he survives the final mission, he's alive, so I suspect we'll see him in some places.

What I'd like is that for any squaddie who isn't on board the Normandy, that you remain in contact and that they can get a hold of you for a special mission. I think that would be awesome.

[CroGamer002]

Lizardviking wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...
He's a LI and he does have fanbase so he'll be in ME3. Also see what I wrote about him at OP.

Not very big though...

Well it's something.
Bioware can't just kick out Jacob for not being popular enough.

[AdmiralCheez]

Mesina2 wrote...

Updated Garrus.

'Twas a good update.

Still think Grunt's gonna be a squadmate.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Mesina2 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...
He's a LI and he does have fanbase so he'll be in ME3. Also see what I wrote about him at OP.

Not very big though...

Well it's something.
Bioware can't just kick out Jacob for not being popular enough.

No. But they can cameo him if they wish.