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WizenSlinky0 wrote...

The Volus, because remember they have the ability to become almighty BIOTIC GODS! No mere reaper can stand up to them.

On a serious note:

It's tough to figure out some of the more gray area conflicts going on. Like, will they make us choose between the Salarians and the krogan, for one? It's been mentioned that by ME3 they are debating the genophage. If there's a debate going on, they know the Krogan are growing stronger, and somebody wants to escalate the genophage to additional baby killing levels.

So conflicts are likely to be between:

Systems Alliance Vs Cerberus-
Cerberus is small but resourceful, so I'm thinking either A. You pull TIM out of power and take over cerberus's resources for the alliance, or B. You regain the trust of the TIM and somehow get a pro-human/pro-TIM person in charge of the systems alliance.

Krogan Vs Salarians-
Do you keep the genophage in effect (maybe even escalating it to new levels)? The krogan would likely still support you, especially if you saved wrex. However, the fight would leave their population so low that they no longer have the numbers to repopulate under the effects of the genophage and go extinct. Or do you reverse the genophage and risk Krogan future aggression and possibly salarian civil war?

Geth Vs Quarian-
There are a few ways for this to play out. The Quarians could use a variation of the virus found during Legion's loyalty mission to render the Geth subservient to the "creators" again. This would retake the Quarian worlds bloodlessly and still give you Geth support. Quarians could retake their planets by force and cause one or both races to be rendered extinct or weakened. You could sabotage the Quarian Liveships, eliminating their food supply, and forcing their loyalty to the geth who could be convinced to produce food for the Quarians. This would essentially make the Quarians a client race to the geth.

Council (And Spectre's) Vs. Terminus Systems-
This is pure speculation but I don't see you gaining the full backing of the council without giving something up in return. I believe the terminus systems and their mercenary support may be available, especially if you warned Aria of the upcoming attempt on her life. However, the council is unlikely to willingly work alongside the scum that have been making their lives miserable for a good amount of time via raids on colonies.

You may be given the option of of backing the terminus systems by weakening the council in some way, or de-activate the relay into the terminus systems in order to make the Council feel secure the scum won't take advantage of them putting their full forces into the reaper fight.

Alternatively- Council Vs Rachni
Council races were at risk of being overwelmed and destroyed as a whole by the original rachni wars.

Along these lines I'd choose:

Systems Alliance (Humans are team players too!)
Quarians (Out of loyalty to tali, who has helped you through two games, instead of one)
Krogan (Salarians hold the line. Krogan break the line in half and shove it down your governments throat)
Council (Because if they didn't owe you enough already for saving them, they will now)


That's just too much for one captain, his crew in a small frigate to accomplish.   There would have to be more than a fair amount of cooperation from those factions to pull all of that off.   

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Allies:

Alliance
Council
Rachni
Quarians
Geth

Enemies:

Reapers
Collectors
Cerberus
Mercs
Batarians

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I support humanity, Cerberus in this case. When the Alliance is not being an obstacle due to its own bureacracy I support it as well.

I have respect for the STG and the Spectres because they get the job done, at the very least.

I support Admiral Daro'Xen. Whatever future the quarians want for themselves, they need something to fall back on.

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I support Cerberus,Krogan,Rachni,Geth,Quarian and Systems Alliance.

Screw the council.

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The only allies my shepard needs are his squadmates.

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I support the vorcha.

RRAAAAGGGGHHHHH!!!!

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Anyone who will help me stop the reapers.

Now if they have a virmire decision it would come down to who would help me defeat the reapers .....

Example:
Quarian = 6000 ships
Geth = 200 ships

.... bye Geth

(this is just an example and does not show real data)

EDIT: Added Not

Modifié par PMC65, 30 avril 2011 - 07:14 .


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Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

I support the vorcha.

RRAAAAGGGGHHHHH!!!!


The Vorcha are good people. Let's hope they get a bigger role in ME3 and we get one for a squadmate.

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Halo Quea wrote...

That's just too much for one captain, his crew in a small frigate to accomplish.   There would have to be more than a fair amount of cooperation from those factions to pull all of that off.   


Perhaps. But it's fun to think about, nonetheless. It highly depends on how well Bioware creates suspense in the game.

A lot of the implausibility comes more from accomplishing it while a buncha repears turn your friends with the ReaperGooAMatic 9000.

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-Systems Alliance it can rot
-Cerberus (we don't yet know if they are an enemy of all Shepards or just paragon ones) it will pushing up daisies before I even finish ME3
-Council Races (Turians, Asari, Salarians, Spectres) Council can rot, for the rest I'm OK
-Non-Council Races (Elcor, Hanar, Volus) THEY NEED TO BE PROTECTED!
-Terminus Systems (Omega, Batarians, Vorcha) Vorcha - bleh, Batarians - let me remove slavery and they're in
-Quarians please don't make me choose them between them and Geth
-Geth please don't make me choose them between them and Quarians
-Krogan only with Wrex in charge I'm in
-Rachni Reapers are doomed
-Mercenary Groups (Blue Suns, Blood Pack, Eclipse - none of these seem that powerful, but I thought I'd add them anyway) they will no longer exist after I deal with Reapers:devil:


Modifié par Mesina2, 30 avril 2011 - 07:32 .


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WizenSlinky0 wrote...

The Volus, because remember they have the ability to become almighty BIOTIC GODS! No mere reaper can stand up to them.

On a serious note:

It's tough to figure out some of the more gray area conflicts going on. Like, will they make us choose between the Salarians and the krogan, for one? It's been mentioned that by ME3 they are debating the genophage. If there's a debate going on, they know the Krogan are growing stronger, and somebody wants to escalate the genophage to additional baby killing levels.

So conflicts are likely to be between:

Systems Alliance Vs Cerberus-
Cerberus is small but resourceful, so I'm thinking either A. You pull TIM out of power and take over cerberus's resources for the alliance, or B. You regain the trust of the TIM and somehow get a pro-human/pro-TIM person in charge of the systems alliance.

Krogan Vs Salarians-
Do you keep the genophage in effect (maybe even escalating it to new levels)? The krogan would likely still support you, especially if you saved wrex. However, the fight would leave their population so low that they no longer have the numbers to repopulate under the effects of the genophage and go extinct. Or do you reverse the genophage and risk Krogan future aggression and possibly salarian civil war?

Geth Vs Quarian-
There are a few ways for this to play out. The Quarians could use a variation of the virus found during Legion's loyalty mission to render the Geth subservient to the "creators" again. This would retake the Quarian worlds bloodlessly and still give you Geth support. Quarians could retake their planets by force and cause one or both races to be rendered extinct or weakened. You could sabotage the Quarian Liveships, eliminating their food supply, and forcing their loyalty to the geth who could be convinced to produce food for the Quarians. This would essentially make the Quarians a client race to the geth.

Council (And Spectre's) Vs. Terminus Systems-
This is pure speculation but I don't see you gaining the full backing of the council without giving something up in return. I believe the terminus systems and their mercenary support may be available, especially if you warned Aria of the upcoming attempt on her life. However, the council is unlikely to willingly work alongside the scum that have been making their lives miserable for a good amount of time via raids on colonies.

You may be given the option of of backing the terminus systems by weakening the council in some way, or de-activate the relay into the terminus systems in order to make the Council feel secure the scum won't take advantage of them putting their full forces into the reaper fight.

Alternatively- Council Vs Rachni
Council races were at risk of being overwelmed and destroyed as a whole by the original rachni wars.

Along these lines I'd choose:

Systems Alliance (Humans are team players too!)
Quarians (Out of loyalty to tali, who has helped you through two games, instead of one)
Krogan (Salarians hold the line. Krogan break the line in half and shove it down your governments throat)
Council (Because if they didn't owe you enough already for saving them, they will now)


Thers also humanity vs batarians, potentially any alien race vs Cerberus - there are so many potential conlficts, theres no way Bioware will let us have all the allies we want. ME3 should be interesting.

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PMC65 wrote...

Anyone who will help me stop the reapers.

Now if they have a virmire decision it would come down to who would help me defeat the reapers .....

Example:
Quarian = 6000 ships
Geth = 200 ships

.... bye Geth

(this is just an example and does not show real data)

EDIT: Added Not



the size of the Quarian flotilla is often brought up but just how many of those ships are combat capable?

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Slidell505 wrote...

I support only one. Shepard.



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Yakko77 wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Anyone who will help me stop the reapers.

Now if they have a virmire decision it would come down to who would help me defeat the reapers .....

Example:
Quarian = 6000 ships
Geth = 200 ships

.... bye Geth

(this is just an example and does not show real data)

EDIT: Added Not



the size of the Quarian flotilla is often brought up but just how many of those ships are combat capable?


6000 of them are. They all have FTL drives, right? They all have hulls, right? Kamikaze Quarians ready to do what Shepard needs!

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Which factions do I support? All of them.

Make it difficult, make it so where you have to have every choice carefully made throughout all three games if you must... But nothing would be more beautiful than every race in the galaxy working in concert to eliminate the reapers.

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I will support anyone willing to fight the reapers.

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i would go with the council and the systems alliance but sadly it seems will not have any say in this.
because seemingly no matter your previous decisions the way will be predetermined for you.

Modifié par Torhagen, 30 avril 2011 - 11:30 .


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I'd pick the council races first, because I'm a big believer in galaxy stability/unity (no use saving the galaxy if it falls apart later IMO) and getting the head honchos on my side should be helpful in proving that the threat is serious to other factions.

Alliance because I'm fond of them. I think they do more good for the galaxy than not and are better for humanity's reputation than Cerberus.


Next, I want to get the Quarians on my side with that fleet of theirs, after landing all their noncombatants on a world(not necessarily a permanent one, just in the meantime). Legion's my favorite and most useful party member, but I noticed he doesn't commit to peace when asked and seems to have a bad habit of not relaying important information to Shepard ahead of time. Remember how he fails to tell you about the heretic base exploding until you're in it and cannot undo the countdown? Plus, the last thing I need is people thinking I'm nuts for allying with the Geth (Which everyone will think, not just the Quarians...)

Now, if I could get the Geth, Quarians, Rachni, and Krogans off of the rest of the galaxy's sh*t-list, I'm golden.

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Thargorichiban wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Anyone who will help me stop the reapers.

Now if they have a virmire decision it would come down to who would help me defeat the reapers .....

Example:
Quarian = 6000 ships
Geth = 200 ships

.... bye Geth

(this is just an example and does not show real data)

EDIT: Added Not



the size of the Quarian flotilla is often brought up but just how many of those ships are combat capable?


6000 of them are. They all have FTL drives, right? They all have hulls, right? Kamikaze Quarians ready to do what Shepard needs!


If they're willing and able then.. sure.  "Fire ships" were what they were called back in the tall sailing ships back in th 17-18th century.  A used up ship set aflame to set aflame a much more valuable ship at anchor or otherwise immobile.  Or, as you aptly descibed, the kamikaze corp of the Japanese during WWII.  A deperate tactic (that ultimately failed BTW) to stop the Allied fleet.  I'm not an advocate of suicide tactics but rather I'm f the mindset of run away to live to fight another day.  Or as  General Patton supposedly said, "No poor dumb bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.  He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country,"

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Thers also humanity vs batarians, potentially any alien race vs Cerberus - there are so many potential conlficts, theres no way Bioware will let us have all the allies we want. ME3 should be interesting.


As far as I can tell the batarians aren't really strong enough to be considered worth recruiting. Have we ever actually seen anything useful from them? And they've never seemed all too interested in helping in galactic affairs.

I think it'd be more plausible they join the reapers in some form, if they are "promised" (however falsely) immunity from the purge.

I don't think there will be an option to...you know...not support humanity in some way. I think it'll come down to which faction of humanity you support.

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I'm with the Alliance. Whatever their justification Cerberus has such a terrible history of torture and murder that I could never support them. I'm still cranky that we were railroaded into working for them.

The Quarians vs. Geth for me is going to come down to a "Who Shot First" dilemma. The Quarians attempted genocide against a sentient race. That war should have shown them how futile a fight this would be. It will break my heart to lose Tali, but if the Quarians start a war, I will support the Geth.
However, if the Geth start the fight, then I will back the Quarians. The Geth more then any other race in the Galaxy know the scope and scale of the threat the Reapers pose. If they are stupid enough to pick a fight with the Quarians rather then wait for the end of the Reaper threat then I'll hand Tali my Shotgun.

I'm going to have to wait and see how the question of the Genophage is framed. There are so many possible variables that could affect my choices that I'm still on the fence here.

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Council races
Quarians
Geth
Krogen
Rachni

Council: I let the council live in my canon (Paragon) playthrough and even though I hate them more than Cerberus, I need their help to gather ships/armies and my spectre status will defiantly be a plus. I'm not against letting them die during the fight though.

Quarians: "One lone quarian made the difference in the battles already. Think what 17 million can do." Quote from http://www.fanfictio...rvive_Alliances

Geth: The reapers are part organic and part synthetic. Who will I recruit for the synthetic part?

Krogen: If the reapers are going planet side, they will land onto hell.

Rachni: They are the unknown unknown. The Reapers, not even out own allies will know they still live untill the fighting starts.

Modifié par Zack56, 01 mai 2011 - 05:27 .


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WizenSlinky0 wrote...

candidate88766 wrote...

Thers also humanity vs batarians, potentially any alien race vs Cerberus - there are so many potential conlficts, theres no way Bioware will let us have all the allies we want. ME3 should be interesting.


As far as I can tell the batarians aren't really strong enough to be considered worth recruiting. Have we ever actually seen anything useful from them? And they've never seemed all too interested in helping in galactic affairs.

I think it'd be more plausible they join the reapers in some form, if they are "promised" (however falsely) immunity from the purge.

I don't think there will be an option to...you know...not support humanity in some way. I think it'll come down to which faction of humanity you support.


I doubt Humans vs Batarians is a choice you'll have to make, I was just saying its another point of conflict. And the wiki says they have a military that is slightly weaker than that of the Alliance, and they are known to have at leats one dreadnaught, so they're not that weak. But I agree they'll probably be an antagonist, working with the Reapers in some capacity.

Choosing which human faction you support is interesting. The Alliance has a big fleet, a seat on the Council and (at least for Paragons anyway) the support and respect of the other Council Races. Cerberus has arguably more powerful tech (if you support them chances are you kept the base, and possibly let them maintain Overlord), seems far more willing to take the necessary steps to protect Humanity than the Alliance is. However, most alien races do not support Cerberus, particularly the Qurians, and they are viewed as terrorists so supporting Cerberus will make gaining alien support much harder. Then again, if you support Cerberus you may not be concerned about that.

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I doubt Humans vs Batarians is a choice you'll have to make, I was just saying its another point of conflict. And the wiki says they have a military that is slightly weaker than that of the Alliance, and they are known to have at leats one dreadnaught, so they're not that weak. But I agree they'll probably be an antagonist, working with the Reapers in some capacity.

Choosing which human faction you support is interesting. The Alliance has a big fleet, a seat on the Council and (at least for Paragons anyway) the support and respect of the other Council Races. Cerberus has arguably more powerful tech (if you support them chances are you kept the base, and possibly let them maintain Overlord), seems far more willing to take the necessary steps to protect Humanity than the Alliance is. However, most alien races do not support Cerberus, particularly the Qurians, and they are viewed as terrorists so supporting Cerberus will make gaining alien support much harder. Then again, if you support Cerberus you may not be concerned about that.


Interesting. I always considered the Batarians more of a minor species. I suppose an arms race with humanity did well by them then.  It is certainly a point of conflict after Arrival and one that could be handled in a few ways by the writers.

Correct on the balance of Cerberus/Alliance. I speculate that if they did indeed offer a choice of supporting one or another, Cerberus would somehow gain control of a very high ranking post in the Alliance, basically giving them control over Alliance resources in the coming war. But Cerberus likes to do things from the shadows. There's no reason they'd have to "advertise" their new "Humanity First" objectives until after they convinced the squishy aliens to go into the final battle ahead of their fleet..."inadvertently" causing the balance of power after the war to shift well towards humanity.

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WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Interesting. I always considered the Batarians more of a minor species. I suppose an arms race with humanity did well by them then.  It is certainly a point of conflict after Arrival and one that could be handled in a few ways by the writers.

Correct on the balance of Cerberus/Alliance. I speculate that if they did indeed offer a choice of supporting one or another, Cerberus would somehow gain control of a very high ranking post in the Alliance, basically giving them control over Alliance resources in the coming war. But Cerberus likes to do things from the shadows. There's no reason they'd have to "advertise" their new "Humanity First" objectives until after they convinced the squishy aliens to go into the final battle ahead of their fleet..."inadvertently" causing the balance of power after the war to shift well towards humanity.



I think that most of the Batarian fleet is fairly old, much like the Quarian fleet, but it is still pretty strong masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Batarian#Military. And after Arrival I doutb they're going to want to help save Humanity from the Reapers.

And I like the idea that Cerberus is kinda running the Alliance from the shadows. They could use the rest of the galaxy's species as pawns, or as cannon fodder, revealing their agenda after the Reapers are defeated. I'm more of a paragon thought, so I'm going to have to wait to do a play through of one of my non-canon Shepards to see if thats possible. It'd be pretty cool if it is.